Letting Breaston go?

[Russ Smith]

Breaston will command upwards of $8 million per year on his new contract, with maybe $20 million guaranteed. Are you interested in tying up $22-25 million per year on two WRs for the next five years? Because I'm not.

The Franchise number for WRs will be about $10 million.

It's not like it comes out of my pocket (-:

It's a tough call, I get the idea that tying up too much money in Wr's is a problem, but I also think Breaston is a proven commodity, you don't get better by giving up players in their prime(he's only 27) and replacing them with a 2nd year guy who may or may not be good.

That's why Graves makes the big bucks I guess, it's not an easy call you essentially have to overpay Breaston to keep him.

 

[Shane]

Speak of the devil: http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/12/29/considering-breaston/

 

[BigRedRage]

his numbers suck this year because of derek anderson, not because of him.

 

[BigRedRage]

Just so we're clear, you're comfortable with giving Steve Breaston, a guy who had zero impact in the Cards last win, $10 million for one year. For one season, you're willing to give the NFL's 46th leading receiver in yardage, 81st in receptions, and ONE touchdown catch $10 million?

I like Steve Breaston, but the time to re-sign him to a nice $6 million per year contract was last season. Do some research, guys, and see what some of the second-tier WRs in the NFL got on extensions last season, and ask yourselves if you want to tie up 20% of the Cards' cap money on TWO players who touch the ball a COMBINED 10 times a game.

What are the sources for these rumors? I have not heard a single one.

kent somers

 

[BigRedRage]

Speak of the devil: http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/12/29/considering-breaston/

shane can you PM the text to me? I cant get on urbans blog till tonight

 

[kerouac9]

I think the Colts paid Wayne and Harrison something like a combined $27 million in 2006 in salary. Indy's payroll that year was the highest in the NFL, 131 million per USA Today. Two years later it was in the low 90's.

Do you think Breaston can command the same type contract that Roddy White got from the Falcons? I think White's cap hit for 2009 was around $8 million with $6 million in signing bonus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4386364

I think that Roddy White had a year left on his rookie contract, which was likely for a minimum salary, and it was 2009. Roddy White would get Larry Fitzgerald money if he were to reach free agency.

I expect that Breaston can command Nate Burleson money. He's playing on a $2.36 million tender this season, which is likely where the Cards would like to start negotiations. Burleson got a five-year, $25 million contract from the Lions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4967481). Antonio Bryant got a four-year, $28 million contract from the Bengals last offseason, with $8 million guaranteed.

I'm sorry that I misstated what Breaston can expect; I'm tired of having this same conversation every month. Breaston will probably want a deal in line with what Antonio Bryant got. I don't think he's worth $6-7.5 million per season. Not for a guy who is constantly playing hurt. He's certainly not worth a Frachise designation.

If we're not going to use the Franchise tag, I wouldn't mind placing the Transition Tag on him and getting the right of first refusal.

It's not like it comes out of my pocket (-:

It's a tough call, I get the idea that tying up too much money in Wr's is a problem, but I also think Breaston is a proven commodity, you don't get better by giving up players in their prime(he's only 27) and replacing them with a 2nd year guy who may or may not be good.

That's why Graves makes the big bucks I guess, it's not an easy call you essentially have to overpay Breaston to keep him.

I just don't think that Breaston is a game-changer. Cheese is right that Breaston should have been extended last offseason. This year he's been hurt constantly, and I think that muddies his value. We could have signed him last season to Boldin's old contract, and everything would've been fine.

 

[Sandan]

Im not sure how important it is to have wr's when you have no QB.

Not that I want him to go but I doubt the QB will be resolved until Whiz I think Whiz has a proven history of making QB's hate him. Notice Watrner didnt even want to hang around for like 12 million when he saw what life was like without Haley.

Great to have a few Porches at WR but if you dont have gas whats the point?

He didn't hang around because he shoulder was getting hurt, it happens as you get older

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think that Roddy White had a year left on his rookie contract, which was likely for a minimum salary, and it was 2009. Roddy White would get Larry Fitzgerald money if he were to reach free agency.

I expect that Breaston can command Nate Burleson money. He's playing on a $2.36 million tender this season, which is likely where the Cards would like to start negotiations. Burleson got a five-year, $25 million contract from the Lions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4967481). Antonio Bryant got a four-year, $28 million contract from the Bengals last offseason, with $8 million guaranteed.

I'm sorry that I misstated what Breaston can expect; I'm tired of having this same conversation every month. Breaston will probably want a deal in line with what Antonio Bryant got. I don't think he's worth $6-7.5 million per season. Not for a guy who is constantly playing hurt. He's certainly not worth a Frachise designation.

If we're not going to use the Franchise tag, I wouldn't mind placing the Transition Tag on him and getting the right of first refusal.



I just don't think that Breaston is a game-changer. Cheese is right that Breaston should have been extended last offseason. This year he's been hurt constantly, and I think that muddies his value. We could have signed him last season to Boldin's old contract, and everything would've been fine.

the funny thing's gonna be when he signs somewhere else for a decent chunk of change, the people who ALWAYS defend the Cardinals will throw "So you think we should have thrown that muh money at him? He's ridiculously over-paid!" argument out without realizing, that once again, it should have NEVER gotten to that point. You don't let your best/core players hit FA... nor do you extend a huge costs aging, one dimensional Safeties... but that's for another thread entirely.

the way this team is constructed... let contracts get to the point that you're bent over (Fitz)... hand out huge contracts to aging one-dimensional safeties... low-ball the other leaders of your team (Warner/Dansby/Boldin) to probably irk them to the point that they don't feel the need to play out their deals or leav at first opportunity... and replace those guys with old washed up vets (Porter), while trading away or cutting depth and pocketing gobs and gobs of cash... man.

 

[Duckjake]

Breaston will probably want a deal in line with what Antonio Bryant got. I don't think he's worth $6-7.5 million per season. Not for a guy who is constantly playing hurt. He's certainly not worth a Frachise designation.

I agree. I looked at several of this year's playoff teams and not too many that have two top WRs. They seem to get by with one top tier guy like Fitz and then average guys. Of course they probably complete more than one pass per month to their TEs.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Draft Green, and I can live with losing Breaston. Solve the pass rush issue by bringing in Woodley via free agency. Bing Bang Boom.

we would be 5-11 again with no qb.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He didn't hang around because he shoulder was getting hurt, it happens as you get older

he said he felt as good as he's ever felt after the season. But Warner wasn't stupid, he saw the train coming down the tracks that was about to hit this team this season. It was obvious to everyone with a brain that Rolle/Q/Dansby were goners and with this organization, it was highly likely that with a lock-out coming, they were going to pinch pennies with the best of 'em and that meant one thing and one thing only... EVERYTHING would have been on him. That's why he didn't come back IMO. He got screwd with by the FO last off-season and he was their only hope for this season. Why would he put himself in that situation for a team who treated him like garbage?

 

[ajcardfan]

A whole lot of offseason speculation is going to be even more of a waste time than it usually is until the new CBA deal comes down.

 

[ajcardfan]

he said he felt as good as he's ever felt after the season. But Warner wasn't stupid, he saw the train coming down the tracks that was about to hit this team this season. It was obvious to everyone with a brain that Rolle/Q/Dansby were goners and with this organization, it was highly likely that with a lock-out coming, they were going to pinch pennies with the best of 'em and that meant one thing and one thing only... EVERYTHING would have been on him. That's why he didn't come back IMO. He got screwd with by the FO last off-season and he was their only hope for this season. Why would he put himself in that situation for a team who treated him like garbage?

Cause he was going to make more than 10 million dollars? I wish someone would treat me like garbage like that! Besides, had Kurt stayed, we'll never know how the offseason would've played out. It would'nt have been the same, that's for sure.


BTW, I've never begrudged Warner retiring and would've hated to see him wind up with another severe concussion. The fact that he could walk away when he did i admire the hell out of. Most athletes of Kurt's cailber always play one year too many.

 

[DeAnna]

Yes, I saw :what's his name: on Jude LaCava's show talking about how they are phasing Breaston out of the offense (barely played vs. the Cowboys).

That's what happens when you pay an exorbitant amount of money to 1 receiver - can't afford to have another good one.

 

[Mulli]

Yes, I saw :what's his name: on Jude LaCava's show talking about how they are phasing Breaston out of the offense (barely played vs. the Cowboys).

That's what happens when you pay an exorbitant amount of money to 1 receiver - can't afford to have another good one.

 

[Jersey Girl]

his numbers suck this year because of derek anderson, not because of him.

And due to injury.

I don't want to see him go. I am not sold on Doucet and, while Roberts has played well in recent weeks, I still am not sure about him yet.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

letting Breaston get to this point and forcing him to play injured because we didn't extend him two years ago when we could have had him on a sensible deal moving forward is just another notch in the belt of Rod Graves' idiocy.

Amen...foresight just isn't a valuable skill to the Cards. It's the same reason that Dansby had the Cards by the nuts every offseason and Fitz does now. I really hope that they can work out something to the effect of about $5 mil per year for Breaston. He's gutted it out all year, and is one of the best leaders on the team.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Not that I want him to go but I doubt the QB will be resolved until Whiz I think Whiz has a proven history of making QB's hate him. Notice Watrner didnt even want to hang around for like 12 million when he saw what life was like without Haley.

he said he felt as good as he's ever felt after the season. But Warner wasn't stupid, he saw the train coming down the tracks that was about to hit this team this season. It was obvious to everyone with a brain that Rolle/Q/Dansby were goners and with this organization, it was highly likely that with a lock-out coming, they were going to pinch pennies with the best of 'em and that meant one thing and one thing only... EVERYTHING would have been on him. That's why he didn't come back IMO. He got screwd with by the FO last off-season and he was their only hope for this season. Why would he put himself in that situation for a team who treated him like garbage?

What a bunch of conjecture and conspiracy schlock these two posts are.

I am pretty sure it came down to this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC1T1tAbA4s

Kurt has alot of love for the organization as heard in EVERYTHING he has said since then on TV and in print, and had nearly his entire offense coming back and for a guy who valued continuity that says alot right there. Don't give me he left because of Boldin because he played a good amount of the time without him anyway and was always a Fitz guy in terms of targets too.

I think Kurt always valued the money less and the life outside of football more then most can believe, and put his money where his mouth is. And I am pretty sure after that hit, that was all she wrote.

Sometimes its that simple.

 

[gamebird98]

I for one would not like to see him leave....I remember some receiver we had a year ago, he left, I kinda missed him.

 

[Hypothesis]

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the team is resting him, allowing him to fully recover from his injuries so he'll be going into the off season at 100%, then using him as part of a sign and trade package to either land a vet qb or to acquire a pick to get a rookie qb the Cards are high on.

 

[TJ]

Just so we're clear, you're comfortable with giving Steve Breaston, a guy who had zero impact in the Cards last win, $10 million for one year. For one season, you're willing to give the NFL's 46th leading receiver in yardage, 81st in receptions, and ONE touchdown catch $10 million?

I like Steve Breaston, but the time to re-sign him to a nice $6 million per year contract was last season. Do some research, guys, and see what some of the second-tier WRs in the NFL got on extensions last season, and ask yourselves if you want to tie up 20% of the Cards' cap money on TWO players who touch the ball a COMBINED 10 times a game.

Im not so sure the Top 5 is quite $10 mil. $8.5 or $9. I know we're splitting hairs on salary but did you see who else we have after Stevie in my statement? Unless we sign a top-tier FA or a first day draft pick, one of our biggest strengths seemingly overnight becomes one of our biggest liabilities. Andre Roberts has not done much to tell me he's our future #2 and Doucet cant play more than 6 games a season.

I also do research. Enough to know that if we expose Stevie to the open market, he's gone. This season has been hell in a hand basket for wide outs and I can almost guarantee that the ones who have the capability to leave for greener pastures would leave. Hell, I wouldnt blame Fitz if he bailed had he been a FA this offseason.

So in conclusion. Yes, you tag him. There wont be much else out there and we are a much better team w/ Breaston on the field. When Q was out 2008 and 2009, he filled in very well. And yes, that was with Kurt at the helm, but if we have an impact QB next season, his numbers that you reference will go up. He has that potential. Dont be so short sighted. This season does not really amount to much in terms of offensive production as our passing game is THAT bad, thanks to two rookies and an epic fail veteran. Moreover, use the tag as leverage in negotiations. You may have to pay more than you wish, but in the life and times of professional sports, a player is worth what he gets paid. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[az jam]

I would rather spend the money on getting TE Zack Miller then give it to Breaston. We have the worse TEs in the NFL.

 

[Mulli]

I would rather spend the money on getting TE Zack Miller then give it to Breaston. We have the worse TEs in the NFL.

join.

 

[Totally_Red]

As Kent Somers said, it is hard to justify a huge contract to someone with a serious injury concern. The Cardinals went down that road with Travis Laboy and Al Johnson, and got bit both times. Now Steve is way more talented than those two losers, but you really have to be hesitant to pull the trigger on a multi-year deal with a lot of guaranteed money when you have the issue IMO.

 

[SuperSpck]

About the same as any other GM. May not be the players you like or want but I see no difference with other GM's over the last 3 years prior to this one where we had one of the biggest roster turnovers in the NFL.

Wasn't trying to being all hater-aid, just curious. I see a season the Jets had where they locked down all their big guys, so was wondering if that was abnormal.