Levi Brown headed to Steelers?

[kerouac9]

Yes cap space can always be created...

















If you wanna end up like the Steelers!

Winning two Super Bowls and going to another?





























I'd take it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yes cap space can always be created...

















If you wanna end up like the Steelers!

Well, if you've been paying attention, the Cards have tried to model themsleves after the Steelers. Even Ben referred to them as Steelers west.

All that's missing is the wins and a good front office. I'm not giving up on Keim just yet, but he has really botched the LT position on this team. Failure to acquire top notch talent, when it's available, can create a Graves situation.

 

[GatorAZ]

With that kind of success I'd welcome cap hell with open arms. Then we could hire Omar Kahn, or Kerouac-9 (same guy)...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

RT @mikejurecki Hearing Jags contacted the Cards last week re Eugene Monroe & Arizona decided to pass on Monroe.
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Ho lee ****!

 

[GuernseyCard]

Ho lee ****!

Heard where?

Nfl network says Monroe was not shopped and they responded to a call from Baltimore.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Hey--the Cards cut Levi a check for over $3M as he was walking out the door:

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/10/03/how-trade-impacts-the-salary-cap/

I don't care if he's not in your plans for 2014. It makes no sense to further handicap your 2014 salary cap position just to get the guy off your roster.

Well, turning part of the salary due into a bonus made sense to the in-house capologist or they wouldn't have done it. Guessing there are more things at play than even you could possibly know.

 

[Hollywood]

Hey--the Cards cut Levi a check for over $3M as he was walking out the door:

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/10/03/how-trade-impacts-the-salary-cap/

I don't care if he's not in your plans for 2014. It makes no sense to further handicap your 2014 salary cap position just to get the guy off your roster.

This trade keeps getting weirder and weirder


We didnt just trade Levi. It seems this front office was desperate to get rid of him. Basically giving the Steelers a freebee by taking all the remaining contract on ourselves.


it makes no sense. If you are paying the guy, then keep him on the roster. Especially considering our new LT is an UDFA journeyman, whos basically a rookie.

It makes sense if Levi was, as reported, not putting forth the effort. It could have gone down like this:

The coaching staff, looking at film to evaluate the roster, decides that Levi has all the tools to be great but just needs to be coached up.

SK doesn't agree but has so many other needs to fill/address gives his new coach the benefit of the doubt.

BA quickly learns that it wasn't a lack of coaching but lack of effort from Levi that is holding him back.

"Paying" to get rid of Levi sends the right message to the team. If you are not willing to give 100% we will find someone who will.

Did any of you listen to the Big Red Rage? Ron Wolfly asked Calais Cambell and Patrick Peterson how the felt personally about Levi being traded. There was an awkward silence and then neither one of them had anything good to say about Levi. To me it sounded like neither one of them wanted to say anything bad about him but didn't really have anything good to say about him either. They both sounded like they were glad he was gone.


It is 19 minutes in if you didn't catch it here is the link.
http://www.azcardinals.com/videos-p...Peterson/4e12ffc2-f640-47ec-b44f-3a6529f97966

 

[kerouac9]

Well, turning part of the salary due into a bonus made sense to the in-house capologist or they wouldn't have done it. Guessing there are more things at play than even you could possibly know.

Ah... The ol' appeal to authority. The last refuge of the exhausted rhetorician. Can't even come up with a scenario where this makes sense aside from "We're dumping this guy regardless of the cost."

The stated cap goal of Steve Keim and the front office on the Cardinals Underground podcast a week ago was to have a clean cap situation....

...In 2015. That's a long ways away.

It makes sense if Levi was, as reported, not putting forth the effort. It could have gone down like this:

The coaching staff, looking at film to evaluate the roster, decides that Levi has all the tools to be great but just needs to be coached up.

SK doesn't agree but has so many other needs to fill/address gives his new coach the benefit of the doubt.

BA quickly learns that it wasn't a lack of coaching but lack of effort from Levi that is holding him back.

"Paying" to get rid of Levi sends the right message to the team. If you are not willing to give 100% we will find someone who will.

Did any of you listen to the Big Red Rage? Ron Wolfly asked Calais Cambell and Patrick Peterson how the felt personally about Levi being traded. There was an awkward silence and then neither one of them had anything good to say about Levi. To me it sounded like neither one of them wanted to say anything bad about him but didn't really have anything good to say about him either. They both sounded like they were glad he was gone.


It is 19 minutes in if you didn't catch it here is the link.
http://www.azcardinals.com/videos-p...Peterson/4e12ffc2-f640-47ec-b44f-3a6529f97966

I haven't listened to the BRR, but I promise that I'll review it. The deal with players (particularly defensive players) is that they don't talk about money or performance of other guys. It's similar to the "this sends a message throughout the lockerroom: no one's job is safe" nonsense. These players understand keenly that no one's job is safe. Just a month ago they lost nearly half their teammates, and they watched O'Brien Schofield get pulled from the conditioning test to disclose his release.

The fact remains that we traded Levi Brown and replaced him with someone who:

(1) couldn't beat Levi Brown out of a starting job (in the audio version of the Keim presser on Brown's trade, reporters--and I give them credit for this because I'm always banging on them when they're bad--asked several times whether Brown would've been benched if the trade wasn't available, and neither said yes);

(2) couldn't start on a TERRIBLE Indianapolis offensive line last season; and

(3) couldn't earn a roster spot on a sub-standard Colts offensive line this year.

 

[Mulli]

"We're dumping this guy regardless of the cost."

Fine with me.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Good call on the interview, they weren't giving a lot of love to Levi as a T, just as a person. CC is pretty high on Sowell, so we will see how this pans out.

 

[Mulli]

@HBalzer721: In Levi Brown trade, each team (Steelers and Cardinals) received a draft choice” #steelers

1. Daniel Zink ‏@DanZink_Results 3h
2. @Cardschatter so we didn't even get an extra pick? Sounds like we got nothing except loading a player

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   Darren Urban ‏@Cardschatter 2h
   @DanZink_Results Guessing you are right, although probably upgraded that pick.
   
   
   

 

[82CardsGrad]

Ah... The ol' appeal to authority. The last refuge of the exhausted rhetorician. Can't even come up with a scenario where this makes sense aside from "We're dumping this guy regardless of the cost."

The stated cap goal of Steve Keim and the front office on the Cardinals Underground podcast a week ago was to have a clean cap situation....

...In 2015. That's a long ways away.

From what I heard, the Cards were about to cut Levi... So if the Steelers didn't agree to the trade, Levi was about to be canned... I have no idea what that would've meant with respect to the cap, but my hunch is that the Cards we're going to have to eat a bunch of dead money, no matter what they did...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm really hoping this team actually uses that cap savings this year to extend some of these guys, otherwise this move is completely pointless, even more so seeing as we sent a pick back to Pittsburg in the trade as well.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Ah... The ol' appeal to authority. The last refuge of the exhausted rhetorician. Can't even come up with a scenario where this makes sense aside from "We're dumping this guy regardless of the cost."

The stated cap goal of Steve Keim and the front office on the Cardinals Underground podcast a week ago was to have a clean cap situation....

...In 2015. That's a long ways away.

Would not want to be that, but given that you have no explanation one way or the other, I will stick with the plausibility that it made sense as a football decision and that the $$$ issue was dealt with in the most efficient way.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I'm really hoping this team actually uses that cap savings this year to extend some of these guys, otherwise this move is completely pointless, even more so seeing as we sent a pick back to Pittsburg in the trade as well.

I believe, correct me if wrong, that flipping picks gave us the ammo to make the Palmer trade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I believe, correct me if wrong, that flipping picks gave us the ammo to make the Palmer trade.

the Raiders desperation to get anything for a guy they didn't want and didn't want to pay was the ammo we needed to make the Palmer trade, IMO.

does anyone know if we fleeced the Raiders and got them to pay a big chunk of Palmer's salary like Pittsburg did us or did we eat that whole thing?

 

[kerouac9]

Would not want to be that, but given that you have no explanation one way or the other, I will stick with the plausibility that it made sense as a football decision and that the $$$ issue was dealt with in the most efficient way.

I've offered explanation: Keim wanted to be rid of Levi Brown as soon as humanly possible, but didn't have sufficient cover with the coaching staff or in the media. As Keim stated, they'd been exploring options to unload Levi Brown as early as Week 1. The machinations of the salary guarantee essentially pushed the cap ramifications of the cut from exclusively 2013 into 2013 and 2014.

The football decision is indefensible, and neither Keim nor Arians offered a defense outside of "We hope that by January, Sowell will give us a reason not to look outside the organization.

Again, you're free to trust the front office along with Catmitch, just don't assert that this front office has acted with great wisdom at this point. If that were the case, they wouldn't have tried to hide the fact that the Cards gave up a draft pick, salary cap space, and a player for a conditional pick.

the Raiders desperation to get anything for a guy they didn't want and didn't want to pay was the ammo we needed to make the Palmer trade, IMO.

does anyone know if we fleeced the Raiders and got them to pay a big chunk of Palmer's salary like Pittsburg did us or did we eat that whole thing?

We re-negotiated Palmer's contract at the time of the trade to reduce his salary by about a third. Because Palmer's trade happened in the offseason, the cap ramifications were quite different.

 

[schutd]

...can create a Graves situation.

I see what you did there! Well played, sir.

 

[Cheesebeef]

we are so putting ourselves into a Levi Brown situation all over again in the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

we are so putting ourselves into a Levi Brown situation all over again in the draft.

That's not true. In the Levi Brown draft, we had one self-created, glaring black hole at a starting position that needed to be filled with a first round pick.

In the 2014 draft, we will have several self-created, glaring black holes at starting positions that could be filled with the best available player with our first round pick. So far:

LT
QB
TE
Rush linebacker

And who knows what the future will bring! Maybe defensive end, maybe nose tackle, maybe safety? The world is full of surprises.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

That's not true. In the Levi Brown draft, we had one self-created, glaring black hole at a starting position that needed to be filled with a first round pick.

In the 2014 draft, we will have several self-created, glaring black holes at starting positions that could be filled with the best available player with our first round pick. So far:

LT
QB
TE
Rush linebacker

And who knows what the future will bring! Maybe defensive end, maybe nose tackle, maybe safety? The world is full of surprises.

So what you are saying is that if we draft BPA next year - by default, most of us will be happy since it will also be a position of need?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Heard where?

Nfl network says Monroe was not shopped and they responded to a call from Baltimore.

Don't believe everything you hear on NFLN.

 

[Mulli]

we are so putting ourselves into a Levi Brown situation all over again in the draft.

Jumping early by trading him? Or holding on to him too long?

 

[TJ]

From what I heard, the Cards were about to cut Levi... So if the Steelers didn't agree to the trade, Levi was about to be canned... I have no idea what that would've meant with respect to the cap, but my hunch is that the Cards we're going to have to eat a bunch of dead money, no matter what they did...

That's correct. Levi wasn't going to be on the team next season with a $7.6 mil cap figure.

And even if we only upgrade, let's say, a 7th to a 6th, and get marginal cap relief this season, this is still a good deal, IMO. It rids of an underachieving, reportedly lazy player, who has been playing house money on this roster for quite some time and has drawn the ire of many fans and the new coaching staff. Should an upgrade have been pursued in the offseason? Of course. Will one be pursued the following season? Absolutely.

Anyone who felt Levi had any value on the open market either has never watched him play or is completely naive. Keim did the best he could do given the circumstances, and quite frankly, I thought it was a joke when I first heard someone was willing to take him.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Don't believe everything you hear on NFLN.

As oppossed to the trucking of Tweeter rumours on this site.... Ok.