Levi Brown headed to Steelers?

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According to Mike Jureki only SK wanted Brown gone and had been pushing for Ariens to bench him all season. I am not sure if Ariens finally relented or if Keim just traded him away to solve the problem. My guess is that Ariens finally had enough and gave the ok.
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According to Mike Jureki only SK wanted Brown gone and had been pushing for Ariens to bench him all season. I am not sure if Ariens finally relented or if Keim just traded him away to solve the problem. My guess is that Ariens finally had enough and gave the ok.

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Is it any surprise that Arians and Whiz are besties?

Nope. That's one thing I don't get: why people thought that the Arians offense was going to be revelatory when he said that he worked from Whis's playbook when he took over as OC at Pittsburgh. The playcalling and sequencing is different, but I don't see any indication that the structure of the offense is substantially changed.

When you're running a power running scheme, you want bigger OTs. If Keim was looking to install a different rushing scheme, he should have hired a different coach.
 

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Nope. That's one thing I don't get: why people thought that the Arians offense was going to be revelatory when he said that he worked from Whis's playbook when he took over as OC at Pittsburgh. The playcalling and sequencing is different, but I don't see any indication that the structure of the offense is substantially changed.

When you're running a power running scheme, you want bigger OTs. If Keim was looking to install a different rushing scheme, he should have hired a different coach.
If you want a power running scheme do you draft Cooper to be the OG that moves around a lot on sweeps or whatever?
 

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Ok. Thanks. And if you want a power running scheme do you sign Daryn Colledge?

And pretty much never use a fullback?

Note: the unaccounted for end looks VERY familiar.

Watching someone draw on a blackboard is BORING
 
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Ok. Thanks. And if you want a power running scheme do you sign Daryn Colledge?

And pretty much never use a fullback?

Daryn Colledge: Yes. He's mobile enough to pull and get into the hole. He's not exceptional at it, but he's capable.

There's no specific tactical reason to use an additional TE instead of a fullback in the power run game, but there is a strategic reason. Mainly, because it (ostensibly) prevents the D from keying as specifically on the run when there's a fullback on the field, and creates more options for running and passing plays out of the 12 personnel set.

My tactical question is then how do you get the tight end from one side of the formation to the other when you're running a balanced set? I think that what we've ended up doing frequently is pulling the offside guard AND the center across the formation and into the hole. This leaves the offside TE to block a defensive end or 3-4 OLB, and that can become the problem that we've seen in the past.
 

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Daryn Colledge: Yes. He's mobile enough to pull and get into the hole. He's not exceptional at it, but he's capable.

There's no specific tactical reason to use an additional TE instead of a fullback in the power run game, but there is a strategic reason. Mainly, because it (ostensibly) prevents the D from keying as specifically on the run when there's a fullback on the field, and creates more options for running and passing plays out of the 12 personnel set.

My tactical question is then how do you get the tight end from one side of the formation to the other when you're running a balanced set? I think that what we've ended up doing frequently is pulling the offside guard AND the center across the formation and into the hole. This leaves the offside TE to block a defensive end or 3-4 OLB, and that can become the problem that we've seen in the past.
When he said the plays are designed for the RB to only have to beat one man, he lost me. :)
 

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Good old double speak

Upon trading Levi BASK says they were looking to replace him since week one but after week one when fans called to replace Levi BA says "with who"
 

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Did anyone else think that Darren Urban hinted that the Cards wanted to get rid of Levi because they were tired of people asking about when/if Levi would ever get better/be replaced?

Seriously? DU is fast becoming my media nemesis!
 

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Did anyone else think that Darren Urban hinted that the Cards wanted to get rid of Levi because they were tired of people asking about when/if Levi would ever get better/be replaced?

Seriously? DU is fast becoming my media nemesis!

Urban has quickly become an unbelievably usueless shill for the organization. I mean, even in his "Levi's legacy" article, he goes on and on about how fans and media alike didn't make a big deal about passing on AP for Levi at the time, when fans were mostly furious. I mean...he actually said "no one" made a stink about it, while reports are out there that our GM, and then top scout had to "restrain himself" when the pick was made.

his articles are useless fluff pieces. every once in a while there's a nugget in there, but whatever journalistic integrity the guy had walked right out the door when he was handed a paycheck by the team.

I mean, even in the comment section for the last four weeks, when people have been railing against Levi, he usually answers them with snark, saying that if a better option was there, why aren't they playing, blah, blah, blah...and then he gets traded and...eh...who cares.
 

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Bah - I'm not surprised that Keim got rid of Levi - didn't want him in the draft, probably didn't want to re-sign him and takes it personally when Levi underachieves. Sounds like more of a new GM cleaning house move than anything else, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad move.

Cutting Leinhart and starting DA with two rookies as backups is a bad move. Losing Kolb and not getting a veteran backup behind Skelton is a bad move (Hoyer might have saved Whiz' job if he was there instead of Lindley).

So the bar is really low for Keim in terms of roster moves and being truly bad relative to the Cardinals history of GMs.
 

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Ross Tucker ripped Brown and Bryant McKinnie and praised the organizations for moves they made.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...steelers-eugene-monroe-ravens-bryant-mckinnie

Brown isn't quite as lethargic. He just hasn?t improved one iota since entering the NFL. Everybody at the NFL level is talented, so what separates the average from the good and the good from the great is technique. Brown's technique is and has always been horrific. He is likewise tough to watch.
Maybe these guys are geniuses and the jokes on me. They've both found a way to make a lot of money in the NFL by giving minimal effort. For a lot of workers around the world, that's kind of the goal I suppose; get paid to do as little as possible. The only solid season Brown ever had was 2011 which, not so coincidentally, was the last year of his rookie contract. McKinnie played at a high level during last year's stretch run for the Ravens knowing full well that he needed a strong performance to get a new contract from somebody in the offseason.

That's why I salute the Cardinals and Ravens.They are sick of watching those guys, counting on those guys, and having them as an important part of their team. The Ravens may have given up two mid-round picks just to rent Monroe for a year and get McKinnie off the field. The Cardinals are 2-2 and in the playoff mix, yet they'd rather pawn Brown off just to get him off the field and out of the locker room. They'll go with some young guys who will play hard and hopefully improve, rather than watching Brown get worked another week.
 

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He just hasn?t improved one iota since entering the NFL.

But, but, but what about the great last half of the season he had in 2011?

Just homer fans grasping at straws. That's what I thought.
 

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But, but, but what about the great last half of the season he had in 2011?

Just homer fans grasping at straws. That's what I thought.
And the organization that gave Levi the extension based on that? I blocked it out. I think Darren Urban pointed to that stretch.
 

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http://www.azcardinals.com/videos-p...wn-trade/c3470175-8d92-4943-8a69-44955640345d

I dont think I have ever seen Arians more unconvinced in what he is saying! Oh boy! He looks and sounds like hes trying to sell a **** sandwich!

So as been speculated it seems we felt other guys seemed to be as good to us as Levi and he wasn't in our future plans.

I would rather give Sowell a shot to do something rather then wait for the inevitable departure of Levi.

We have been witness to poorer tackle play then Levi, but Levi was like a half step up from those guys in pass blocking. Interesting they noted his poor run blocking as well.

The coaches, the gm, the veteran players all agreed that Sowell has something and now he'll get his shot.

Arians did look uncomfortable, but I would expect someone to be a bit uncomfortable after trading away the disappointing 'elite' player he called Levi earlier.

The guy replacing him is a guy Arians coached last year so I don't see this as a move completely forced upon him. At the very least if your tackle isn't the same 'guy they saw vs NO in 2011', then I'll have to say that the information around the situation doesn't point to Arians being forced into this situation, but overall a Cardinal decision that Arians supported.
 

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