Levi v. Potter for LT -- Winston v. Massie for RT

[RugbyMuffin]

LOL. I have work to do today. I could only watch 150+ Levi Brown snaps yesterday because I was alone in the office for the entire day.

But if I have time later today or tomorrow, I'll watch a couple of Redskins games (I'm going to say that I'm going to watch the Kirk Cousins start and maybe a game from 2012; I don't know if read option snaps are going to be particularly useful) and provide some feedback.

Thanks.

Again, when you have time and you feel like it. Appreciate it.

Yeah, I thought about the read option and all that, but in the end, you gotta still block the guy in front of you.

To be fair to Mr. Levi Brown, if he gives our QB 3 seconds and the QB still gets sacked its not really his fault.

In Trent Williams' word, he can give RGIII 3 seconds, and then RGIII can extend that play even if Williams can't hold off his guy after 3 seconds.

It should be some what interesting.

 

[cardncubfan]

Yes.

Your call on the specifics.

edit: nevermind. I just seen the Harry Potter avatar draft post. Deal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

ugh...me thinks the Levi v. Potter discussion is Kolb-Skelton-esque. neither of those guys you're talking about are the answer.

 

[BACH]

ugh...me thinks the Levi v. Potter discussion is Kolb-Skelton-esque. neither of those guys you're talking about are the answer.

That's were we disagree. I think both K9 and me are of the opinion that while Brown certainly isn't all-pro material, he could be an okay solution in the right scheme with sufficient overall talent on the OL.

K9 had some thoughts and comparisons to Donald Penn that went from a below average starter to solid by being surrounded by better players. I think that's a very good argumentation, because while LT is one of the most important positions in the NFL, a LT is still part of the most integrated unit on a football team - the O-line.

An Elite LT can elavate the overall play of the rest of the O-line, but it can go the other way as well. The post-Glenn Colts with Manning under center e.g. had very average LTs, but pro-ball talent at LG, C and RT, which helped the LT a lot.

 

[Mulli]

Levi vs Potter is so much like Kolb v Skelton.


And neither will be on team in 2014.

ugh...me thinks the Levi v. Potter discussion is Kolb-Skelton-esque. neither of those guys you're talking about are the answer.

Woot

 

[kerouac9]

So I spent some time this afternoon watching tape on Washington Redsk*ns OT Trent Williams per Rugby's request. I watched about three dozen snaps against Cleveland.

What I saw was that Williams definitely has a little more range and quickness than Levi Brown, he's not a quantum leap superior to Levi Brown, either. He makes some of the same dumb mistakes that lead to sacks (see below), and he's not really a force at the point of attack. I was surprised to see how much more often the Redsk*ns ran to the right in the tape I was watching.

Because I wanted to see a more traditional offense, I watched the Kirk Cousins start. In this sequence you see where even a good offensive lineman can get set up over the course of a game and end up trapped.

In this case, Williams take too deep of a drop in mirroring the defensive end, and gives up the interior lane to the QB. Cousins doesn't really have a chance once the DE makes his inside move, and the guard can't come over quickly enough to help out.

 

[kerouac9]

It's hard to tell what's supposed to be happening with the Washington OL on plays where RG3 is passing, because the blocking is supposed to look like a run play a lot of the time. There are moments when the OL on a passing play goes into their outside zone movement. It must be impossible to put together a game plan.

Here's another sequence from Washington's game against the Bengals early in the season. Washington's OL ended up giving up 5 sacks, but a couple of them were on aborted snaps and plays where there was nowhere for RG3 to deliver the ball.

But not in this case. This looks as bad as any D'Anthony Batiste film. I can't tell precisely whether it's Trent Williams at LT; there's a possibility that Washington is running with an unbalanced line. But the sequence is pretty remarkable.

The OT has help on the outside from a RB, but seems to forget that in his dropstep, because he actually runs into the RB while he's mirroring Michael Johnson. Johnson turns the corner easily, and the OT is left eating turf.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If I ever get the ear of a NFL coach, I want to know the proper technique against an "inside move".

Seems like that just shreds most OT's

Imo, its that little bit of range that I think helps Williams be better.

But I think this analysis give a good idea why Levi Brown can be looked at as a middle of the pack NFL LT.

I will be interested on how Brown holds up when they gameplan some help for him

Funny you brought up the pass blocking of the Redskins. I am not 100% sure in this claim but Arians and company have some passing plays where there is a lot of movement (pulls & such) within the offensive line. Cooper was knockinh people on there butts



Thanks.
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[Mulli]

Levi vs Potter is so much like Kolb v Skelton.


And neither will be on team in 2014.

Bump bump bump

 

[cardncubfan]

Bump bump bump

Did Potter get released?

 

[Mulli]

Did Potter get released?

Not yet.