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SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – Matt Leinart sat at a crowded table in a trendy steakhouse late Sunday night, sipping a glass of sauvignon blanc with a faraway look in his eyes. The young passer was frazzled and forlorn, and not just because of the atrocious synthesized music blaring in the background.

As a scrawny Owen Wilson lookalike warbled through a cover of Sugar Ray’s "Fly" a few feet away while Scottsdale's beautiful people mingled around him, the Arizona Cardinals' starting quarterback in name only struggled to relish one of the franchise's more uplifting victories in recent memory.

Having given way to backup Kurt Warner for much of the Cards' 21-14 upset of the previously undefeated Pittsburgh Steelers, Leinart's day had been filled with bitterness, frustration and prideful defiance. Now, as he finished his meal at City Hall steakhouse, there was only detached bewilderment.

"I just want them to ride or die with me," Leinart said softly of 2-2 Arizona. "If I'm the franchise quarterback, play me and let me stumble, because I'll fight through it, and that will help me and our team in the long run. I know coaches want to win now, and I guess they have their reasons. But I don't understand it, and this switching back and forth is almost worse than getting benched."

In the next breath, Leinart went out of his way to praise Warner, his unlikely friend, hotel roommate and computer-Scrabble rival, and expressed his support for first-year Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt, the man responsible for this counterintuitive tag-team of an arrangement. "The bottom line is doing whatever it takes to help this team," Leinart said, "and we won a very big game today, so I can't be mad."


Yet earlier, after sitting out much of the second and third quarters, Leinart's anger had momentarily overcome him. As he sat on the Arizona bench preparing to take the field with 11:33 remaining and the Cards holding a 14-7 lead, Leinart was approached by offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who began delivering a pep talk. Leinart snapped at Haley, with whom he has a good relationship, essentially telling him to get out of his face. Then the second-year quarterback rose, brushed past Haley and glared at Whisenhunt before taking the field.

"He reacted just the way I hoped he'd react," Whisenhunt said afterward. "He was mad, and he wanted to play. That's the sign of a competitor – of a guy who can be our franchise quarterback for a long time."

In the meantime, however, Leinart is suffering a crisis of confidence. Quarterback platoons can be pulled off sometimes in college, but in the pros such an arrangement is considered an invitation for disaster, and few are buying Whisenhunt's spin that he's merely using Warner because his familiarity with a specific “package” (the no-huddle, spread offense) is greater than the kid's.

In reality, this sticky situation has been brewing since training camp, when Leinart visibly struggled to learn the new coach's system, while Warner began bearing an uncanny resemblance to the out-of-nowhere sensation who won two regular season MVP awards, led the Rams to a pair of Super Bowls and became the most accurate passer in NFL history during a glorious run from 1999-2001.

Warner, 36, considered retirement last season after losing his job to Leinart, the 10th overall pick of the '06 draft. Back then, his lack of mobility and penchant for fumbling seemed unconquerable – but that was before Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm arrived. With Whisenhunt's grasp of offensive ingenuity and assistant head coach Grimm's demanding, effective transformation of a once pitiful offensive line, the Cards suddenly have a running game (Edgerrin James continued his revival Sunday with 77 yards on 21 carries) and the ability to protect a quarterback.

And guess what? When Warner has time, he can still sit back, speed through his progressions and deliver pinpoint passes to receivers in stride. The gloves he began wearing on both passing hands late last season have improved his ball-handling and restored his unflappable demeanor in the pocket.

Amid a hyped up atmosphere at University of Phoenix Stadium, with a team hell-bent on giving former Pittsburgh assistants Whisenhunt and Grimm a victory over the franchise that passed over both as head coaching candidates in favor of the equally impressive Mike Tomlin, Warner (14 of 21, 132 yards, one TD, no interceptions) was the voice of calm, repeatedly telling Arizona's offensive skill players to chill and "just go play football."

Says Warner: "I joke with Matt, 'Hey, I'm pretty good,' but that's part of this, too. It's a hard situation for him; if I were the starter, I'd be upset. As the backup, I have no complaints. All I can ask for is a chance to play every week. It's working, for now. We'll see how it plays out."

Leinart (7 of 14, 93 yards) has had trouble seeing the field and getting rid of the football for much of this young season, and against the Steelers his first three drives netted no points before he gave way to Warner. He thought he was done for the day – and, perhaps, for good – as Arizona took a seven-point lead with two huge, un-Cardinalesque plays: safety Adrian Wilson's end-zone interception of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on third-and-goal from the 2 with 48 seconds left in the third quarter, and rookie Steve Breaston's 73-yard punt return for touchdown (the franchise's first in 14 years) with 14:10 remaining in the game.

But after a Steelers punt gave Arizona the ball at its 18, Whisenhunt called his number, and Leinart hissed at Haley and returned with a vengeance. In the Cardinals' facility there is talk that his penchant for late-night socializing and his adjustment to fatherhood (he has an 11-month-old son, Cole, with ex-girlfriend Byrnn Cameron and spends Mondays and Tuesdays visiting with the child in the L.A. area) could be distracting a player who, in fairness, has impressed teammates with his work ethic.

One thing no one has questioned, however, is that Leinart has some gran cojones – remember his audible and perfect fade to Dwayne Jarrett on fourth-and-9 in South Bend? – and in that regard he and his coach are a perfect fit.

Sensing that the Steelers would be expecting a conservative approach when Leinart returned, Whisenhunt called an 'X-Go' pass to wideout Larry Fitzgerald (11 catches, 123 yards), who raced downfield and reached up to cradle Leinart's willowy, 38-yard pass. Later, on fourth-and-1 from the Steelers' 24, Whisenhunt stayed bold, foregoing the expected field-goal attempt for a quarterback sneak, which the big lefty converted. Five plays later James scored a 2-yard touchdown that gave the Cards a 21-7 lead.

So, to review: After shelving his starter for much of the game's midsection, Whisenhunt put his two most audacious offensive-play calls in the young passer's hands, and Leinart delivered.

What now? Can the coach keep messing with his quarterback of the future's emotions like this, or is a benching – and/or an estrangement – a disappointing defeat or two away?

"The whole thing is weird," says Roethlisberger, who admittedly is not a fan of Whisenhunt, his former offensive coordinator. "He sits Matt all that time, then puts him back in and has him throwing deep? It's just weird. I don't see how it can work. But that's just me."

Says Whisenhunt: "It's worked for us so far. A big part of that is because we have two guys that are unselfish football players. If we didn't have that, it could be problematic. But Matt's a tough guy, and this is going to help him become a better football player down the road."

As Leinart finished his dinner at City Hall Sunday, grimacing as Synthesizer Guy belted out Billy Joel's "Piano Man," he wasn't so in tune with Whisenhunt's thought process.

"I don't really know what the motive is, and it's tough rotating," Leinart said. "But I'll just keep working hard and try to do my part."

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"I just want them to ride or die with me," Leinart said softly of 2-2 Arizona. "If I'm the franchise quarterback, play me and let me stumble, because I'll fight through it, and that will help me and our team in the long run. I know coaches want to win now, and I guess they have their reasons. But I don't understand it, and this switching back and forth is almost worse than getting benched."

What?

Look...I love Leinart and believe he can be a franchise QB but it IS about winning now!

I hope he is mad and I hope his feelings are hurt. I also hope he plays Warner's butt back to the bench but Leinart is going to have to earn it.

Suck it up pretty boy.
 
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What?

Look...I love Leinart and believe he can be a franchise QB but it IS about winning now!

I hope he is mad and I hope his feelings are hurt. I also hope he plays Warner's butt back to the bench but Leinart is going to have to earn it.

Suck it up pretty boy.

To be fair, A LOT of people outside of Arizona have no idea what the coaches are doing either.
 

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To be fair, A LOT of people outside of Arizona have no idea what the coaches are doing either.

I learned my lesson with Jake Plummer.

We should never let our team suffer and lose again, so that one player can try to "work through it".

"A LOT" of people always have their opinions but Whis is the coach and he is doing what's best for the TEAM.
 

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One more thing:

I have lost a little repect for Leinart.

This article combined with his attitude the last two games with Warner in the game...he has acted like an immature person, not a leader of men.

Warner is the first to high five Matt when he makes a play and Kurt is a true leader.

There is a reason Matt doesn't have the "C" on his jersey and that decision was made prior to the QB rotation.
 

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What?

Look...I love Leinart and believe he can be a franchise QB but it IS about winning now!

I hope he is mad and I hope his feelings are hurt. I also hope he plays Warner's butt back to the bench but Leinart is going to have to earn it.

Suck it up pretty boy.

I think you're reading that wrong the reasons he talks aobut are reasons for alternating QB's, not reasons for wanting to win?
 

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One more thing:

I have lost a little repect for Leinart.

This article combined with his attitude the last two games with Warner in the game...he has acted like an immature person, not a leader of men.

Warner is the first to high five Matt when he makes a play and Kurt is a true leader.

There is a reason Matt doesn't have the "C" on his jersey and that decision was made prior to the QB rotation.

When the "C's" were announced... was this not a question for everyone? This is a HUGE point being made...
 

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I learned my lesson with Jake Plummer.

We should never let our team suffer and lose again, so that one player can try to "work through it".

"A LOT" of people always have their opinions but Whis is the coach and he is doing what's best for the TEAM.

Word. Had a similar conversation with a friend. It's as simple as Herm Edwards put it a couple of years back "We play to win the game!" We don't play to not hurt people's feelings or get guys reps.

Its as simple as "the best players play". Wisenhunt's message to Matt is pretty clear: If you want to play, play better.
 
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Word. Had a similar conversation with a friend. It's as simple as Herm Edwards put it a couple of years back "We play to win the game!" We don't play to not hurt people's feelings or get guys reps.

Its as simple as "the best players play". Wisenhunt's message to Matt is pretty clear: If you want to play, play better.

Matt did not play bad at all this week. His receivers dropped about 5 passes. He held onto the ball a couple of times too long. Warner almost fumbled away the game for us again.
 

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Was Matt singing "how low can you go" when he threw the 38 yarder to Fitz?
 

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I think the article definitely uses some artistic license to heighten its impact. But I think overall the message is accurate. Leinart is mad about being pulled. And let's face it, Whis used the hook pretty early.

Leinart was happy about winning, but mad about not being a bigger part of it. And that sounds like the right attitude he should have--Whisenhunt has said as much.
 

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Still, despite Silver's track record with the Cardinals (Griffith) I'm holding judgment for a couple of days. If this leaves us feeling a little off, just imagine if his teammates see the article. There will probably be a retraction or editorial from Leinart backing off the statements a degree or so, but I'll be the first to admit, I'm concerned.

I get that to be the most effective at QB there's got to be a comfort level from playing time, but Leinart looked most comfortable when he went out the second time, during the first half he'd been the same tentative QB we've seen since the beginning of the season.
 

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Matt did not play bad at all this week. His receivers dropped about 5 passes. He held onto the ball a couple of times too long. Warner almost fumbled away the game for us again.

I don't know how much of that you could blame on Warner. It was a bad snap.
 
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I don't know how much of that you could blame on Warner. It was a bad snap.

A lot. The ball was barely over his hands. It was not like it was snapped above his head out of reach. That wasn't a great snap, but I definitely pin the blame on Warner there.
 

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Matt did not play bad at all this week. His receivers dropped about 5 passes. He held onto the ball a couple of times too long. Warner almost fumbled away the game for us again.

We don't win this game if Matt plays 100%.

Maybe Warner should learn to snap it to himself, since you don't give him any credit. I am just as leary as the next on Warner's fumblitis but that was on the C.
 
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We don't win this game if Matt plays 100%.

Maybe Warner should learn to snap it to himself, since you don't give him any credit. I am just as leary as the next on Warner's fumblitis but that was on the C.

Maybe Warner should snap it to himself? What are you talking about? I said that it wasn't a great snap. Not every snap is a great one. However, it was not so bad of a snap that Warner shouldn't have held onto it. Look at the replay again. Warner alligator arm'd the snap. If his arms were fully outstretched, and he still missed the snap, that would be fully on the C.

Both were to blame for the snap, but Warner, being the veteran that he is, should not have taken his eyes off of the ball.
 

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I don't care whether or not he is happy. I, too, feel that this will end up being a character building experience for him. And to that degree, it will succeed or fail, but if it fails, better to learn of it while we have Warner on the roster than to go all in with Leinart.

As to how quickly Warner came in, I though it was would happen one drive earlier, but that's why I sit in the stands and Whis is on the sidelines. Everything is in Leinart's hands for every game. If he wants to keep Kurt on the sidelines, he needs to elevate his play.
 

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What?

Look...I love Leinart and believe he can be a franchise QB but it IS about winning now!

I hope he is mad and I hope his feelings are hurt. I also hope he plays Warner's butt back to the bench but Leinart is going to have to earn it.

Suck it up pretty boy.

Matt needs to understand that many of us have been waiting for 60 years. We want to win NOW. If it means benching Matt to win then we do it. If Matt is the better choice to win now then do it. I am in this for the Cards Team not the individuals glory. Clearly at this point in his young career Matt is not the QB Warner is. You cannot learn in one year what Warner has learned over a decade. He sees the field and knows when a blitz is coming and can change plays with the best of them. Matt got hammered and it is good we had a Warner their to replace him. Warner might not have survived that hit Matt took. The coaches should play whoever gives us the best chance to win NOW. Matt or Warner what ever they think. At this point I think it is Warner. The team even seems to play better for Warner for what ever reason??? 2 & 2 and I will take that any day. We are in the hunt so lets not worry about individuals personal feelings. If they want to play or play more then step up and earn it. This was a hard fought game with some big hits. Kudos to our defense and to Warner and Matt and especially to Whiz for bringing Matt back in when Warner was clearly playing better. It worked out and saved Matt from feeling even worse as he was part of the victory with some good plays. In the first half he was doing a lot of dancing and not setting his feet. I think this comes from not knowing what you are going to do or seeing the field. In time and with experience he will hopefully start to recognize defenses which will give him more time in the pocket. He also needs some patience. Rome was not built in a day.
 

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What?

Look...I love Leinart and believe he can be a franchise QB but it IS about winning now!

I hope he is mad and I hope his feelings are hurt. I also hope he plays Warner's butt back to the bench but Leinart is going to have to earn it.

Suck it up pretty boy.

Matt needs to understand that many of us have been waiting for 60 years. We want to win NOW. If it means benching Matt to win then we do it. If Matt is the better choice to win now then do it. I am in this for the Cards Team not the individuals glory. Clearly at this point in his young career Matt is not the QB Warner is. You cannot learn in one year what Warner has learned over a decade. He sees the field and knows when a blitz is coming and can change plays with the best of them. Matt got hammered and it is good we had a Warner their to replace him. Warner might not have survived that hit Matt took. The coaches should play whoever gives us the best chance to win NOW. Matt or Warner what ever they think. At this point I think it is Warner. The team even seems to play better for Warner for what ever reason??? 2 & 2 and I will take that any day. We are in the hunt so lets not worry about individuals personal feelings. If they want to play or play more then step up and earn it. This was a hard fought game with some big hits. Kudos to our defense and to Warner and Matt and especially to Whiz for bringing Matt back in when Warner was clearly playing better. It worked out and saved Matt from feeling even worse as he was part of the victory with some good plays. In the first half he was doing a lot of dancing and not setting his feet. I think this comes from not knowing what you are going to do or seeing the field. In time and with experience he will hopefully start to recognize defenses which will give him more time in the pocket. He also needs some patience. Rome was not built in a day.
 

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Leinart's obviously bitter. People forget after his first few games at USC including a loss at Cal where he was picked three times the Trojan faithful were calling for his benching in favor of John David Booty. Leinart will recover, he's been here before.
 
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This whole thing will make Matty stronger in the long haul and thats what we need a strong and mentally tough franchis QB! Whis is very smart I will trust him to handle the situation.
 

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What Leinart wants isn't necessarily what Leinart needs. What they did with him in this game got results, and that's the main thing. If he gets pissed and it helps him focus and he gets results like he did in the 4th quarter, then soon the job will be his and his alone. I think they're playing well to Matt's personality and using Warner to fight complacency.

I like it. Except as a Rams fan I don't. Heh.
 

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To be fair, A LOT of people outside of Arizona have no idea what the coaches are doing either.

DCR:

It's called playing the cards--no pun intended--you're dealt. Whisenhunt's trying to have it both ways, developing his 2nd-year QBOF at the same time that he uses his veteran backup to kickstart the offense and win games. And it shouldn't be that mystifying to those with any knowledge of the game, since at least two coaches in the HOF (Tom Landry, Don Shula) alternated QBs when it made sense to do so.

The thing that's making it work with the Cardinals so far is Kurt Warner's acceptance and apparent enthusiasm for his role, as well as his on-the-field performance: 29-41-390, 70.7%, 9.5 ypa, 3 TD, 0 INT. The things that could blow it up are Matt Leinart giving a few more bulletin-board quotes to sports writers during post-game interviews, or the failure to improve his performance: 53-99-547, 53.5%, 5.5 ypa, 2 TD, 3 INT.

I think what Whisenhunt's doing is brilliant, in refusing to accept that his only options are to (1) play Leinart no matter how much he struggles, or (2) bench Leinart until/unless Warner gets hurt or regresses. And after watching yesterday's game, I don't know how any unbiased observer could call this experiment anything but successful. :thumbup:

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