Little bit of Bro Science

[Bodha]

What do you think about this here:

Say the Cardinals do make a move for a WR sometime soon, though very doubtful. Of course all the real talent is gone, they dont stay available for long. The 1 thing the Cardinals really lack is speed and size at WR. Andre, early, Demarco are little guys. None of them are especially fast either. Larry is a prototype WR as far as measurable, but hes certainly no Randy Moss. Stephen Williams is a tall guy, he sort of lanky, not very fast. Hes got little bit of a confidence issue which makes him drop from time to time. To summarize, our WRs arent deep threats (except Larry). all the real talent is gone. Whats a Cardinal to do?...Tha Raidasssssss!!! lol. They build their football team like I did on Madden when I was 10 years old. Go over to the speed column, sort. Go over to the size column, sort. Pick the 5 top guys in both. I have not seen the Raiders cut list yet but I can virtually guarantee the WRs will be far bigger and faster than our own. *I acknowledge they wont be as 'talented', but it doesnt take talent to run straight down the sideline. Thats all wed expect of them, no route running, no hands-team drills. Just a burn man who will create a deep threat opportunity and stretch the field, if anything just help open the field up for Larry or Early.

As a side note I did hear Lito Sheppard was cut. He may be old as dirt for the position but you can argue hes any worse than the UFA or 7th round CB cuts we're snatching up from other teams. If anything he'll bring experience and on field coaching for PP and AJ. Id really like to bring him in.



So, I thought it was a interesting idea. Nothing would really change. Andre, Larry and Early would be out there 90% of the time and every once in awhile throw D'faste Mcrun out there for a deep out. In order to accomplish this someones going to have to go to the PS. Be either Williams or Demarco. Stephen because im worried he may get a case of the droppsies or Demarco just because hes a rookie and Id doubt hed get snatched up even if he were put on the waiver wire.

my 2$ (just realized theres no 'cent' symbol on this keyboard. Outrageous, what the heck am I paying for)


Got Raiders cut list:

lol--> WR: Chad Jackson: 6'1, 215 , 4.32 40. Wow.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

May want to go to the official site a check out the heights of our 6 wideouts.

(Williams is not slow)

 

[THESMEL]

that would be one way to rid ourselves of Whiz Quick! Which I do not want, personally. I critisize a lot, but a lot was appropriate.

We have Fitz, We are blessed at the WR position better than most , We kept a tall SWill and a good array of WR's.

It is the least of my worries on this 2011 team.

So list the units you feel we are safe at, and the ones wher you think we are screwed, boooed and tattooed.

 

[BleedRed]

Personally if we're not going to bring in someone to compete with Roberts for the #2 spot (ala B. Edwards, Lee Evans, or Malcolm Floyd all of which are obviously gone) then I see no use in bringing in anyone @ this point. While lacking a true speed burner I do see playmaking ability and obviously potential in the group of wr's we have.

 

[Solar7]

Height definitely isn't a problem in our WR corps. While you may be right that they're lacking speed, I think this is an offense that can be plenty successful with the talent on hand. I wouldn't replace a (for the sake of argument) "more talented" wideout for a guy that can only run fast down the sideline. Speed doesn't mean a thing when you can't get the ball in your hands.

 

[Bodha]

May want to go to the official site a check out the heights of our 6 wideouts.

(Williams is not slow)

Didnt say he was slow, said hes not very fast. I was wrong on Demarco, hes 6'2 apparently. The others are 5-11 or 6ft. CBs in the NFL are 5'11. Besides incredible talent, what do you think helps Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry, Chad, Bowe beat CBs? They are all big 6'1+ guys.

The best 6ft and under WRs in the league either have speed or great route running. (Id argue Early is a very good Route runner)/ Desean Jackson, Lee Evans, Greg Jennings, steve smith, wes welker.

I think you may misunderstand, Im not saying flip the roster around. Replace the last WR whod be on the team with a (Chad Jackson?) any large, burner WR. When I say fast i mean Fast. 4.32 is extremely fast especially for 6'1 215. It would do nothing but help. Are we really going to be missing Demarco if we were to replace him with a guy like that? No, because odds are he wont be playing much anyways. Nobody ever said we even have to throw the guy the ball, just the fact that we have someone who is a deep threat will make defensive coordinators shift around their D to compensate, regardless of whether or not we throw him the ball.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Didnt say he was slow, said hes not very fast. I was wrong on Demarco, hes 6'2 apparently. The others are 5-11 or 6ft. CBs in the NFL are 5'11. Besides incredible talent, what do you think helps Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry, Chad, Bowe beat CBs? They are all big 6'1+ guys.

The best 6ft and under WRs in the league either have speed or great route running. (Id argue Early is a very good Route runner)/ Desean Jackson, Lee Evans, Greg Jennings, steve smith, wes welker.

I think you may misunderstand, Im not saying flip the roster around. Replace the last WR whod be on the team with a (Chad Jackson?) any large, burner WR. When I say fast i mean Fast. 4.32 is extremely fast especially for 6'1 215. It would do nothing but help. Are we really going to be missing Demarco if we were to replace him with a guy like that? No, because odds are he wont be playing much anyways. Nobody ever said we even have to throw the guy the ball, just the fact that we have someone who is a deep threat will make defensive coordinators shift around their D to compensate, regardless of whether or not we throw him the ball.

Do you know of a good route runner that can get off the line, is available, over 6 feet and runs a 4.32? If so, I'd certainly love to see us give him a look. I think our receiving corps is the most solid of all our units but I'd never turn down a chance to improve the team.

Steve

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Didnt say he was slow, said hes not very fast. I was wrong on Demarco, hes 6'2 apparently. The others are 5-11 or 6ft. CBs in the NFL are 5'11. Besides incredible talent, what do you think helps Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry, Chad, Bowe beat CBs? They are all big 6'1+ guys.

The best 6ft and under WRs in the league either have speed or great route running. (Id argue Early is a very good Route runner)/ Desean Jackson, Lee Evans, Greg Jennings, steve smith, wes welker.

I think you may misunderstand, Im not saying flip the roster around. Replace the last WR whod be on the team with a (Chad Jackson?) any large, burner WR. When I say fast i mean Fast. 4.32 is extremely fast especially for 6'1 215. It would do nothing but help. Are we really going to be missing Demarco if we were to replace him with a guy like that? No, because odds are he wont be playing much anyways. Nobody ever said we even have to throw the guy the ball, just the fact that we have someone who is a deep threat will make defensive coordinators shift around their D to compensate, regardless of whether or not we throw him the ball.

I'm much more into route running and body position, than pure speed. Speed is (IMO) the most overrated facet in evaluating wideouts.

PS: Desean Jackson is not a good route runner, and when his speed diminishes, he's going to have real problems getting clear.

 

[Bodha]

I'm much more into route running and body position, than pure speed. Speed is (IMO) the most overrated facet in evaluating wideouts.

PS: Desean Jackson is not a good route runner, and when his speed diminishes, he's going to have real problems getting clear.

'When' being the key word here...hmm?

As for now, his pure speed isnt hurting the team.

Do you know of a good route runner that can get off the line, is available, over 6 feet and runs a 4.32? If so, I'd certainly love to see us give him a look. I think our receiving corps is the most solid of all our units but I'd never turn down a chance to improve the team.

Steve

Of course not, your overlooking the point of my thread.

There is ZERO TALENT out there.

We need SPEED.

Speed - Talent = Raiders.

The slowest guy on the Raiders will be the fastest guy on the Cardinals.

1. He will be the #6 WR (Not #2 as some of you think im saying)
2. His presence on the line will cause D to adjust (opening up Larry)

We wont be using Williams or Demarco anyways, grabbing a guy like that will do nothing but help. throw him in there everyonce in awhile just to stretch the field. why not?

 

[PoolBoy]

Demarco isn't small, Andre isn't slow. do your homework, come back, and try again

 

[Crazy Canuck]

'When' being the key word here...hmm?

As for now, his pure speed isnt hurting the team.



Of course not, your overlooking the point of my thread.

There is ZERO TALENT out there.

We need SPEED.

Speed - Talent = Raiders.

The slowest guy on the Raiders will be the fastest guy on the Cardinals.

1. He will be the #6 WR (Not #2 as some of you think im saying)
2. His presence on the line will cause D to adjust (opening up Larry)

We wont be using Williams or Demarco anyways, grabbing a guy like that will do nothing but help. throw him in there everyonce in awhile just to stretch the field. why not?

There is no one, who last name isn't JOHNSON, who can get team's to rotate coverage away from Fitz. No doubt that the Raider wideouts are fast, but most have skillet hands. Heap and our wideouts will do just fine creating threats that help out our no. 1.

No doubt that the Raider wideouts are fast, but most have skillet hands.

 

[Krangodnzr]

What do you think about this here:

Say the Cardinals do make a move for a WR sometime soon, though very doubtful. Of course all the real talent is gone, they dont stay available for long. The 1 thing the Cardinals really lack is speed and size at WR. Andre, early, Demarco are little guys.

Andre is 5'11, which isn't tiny, but not tall either

Both Doucet and Sampson stand over 6'1. That's not small, that's bigger by anyone's standards. Oh btw, there is this guy Larry Fitzgerald who is 6'3 and Stephen Williams who is 6'4-6'5. I would suggest you pull up the roster before you make this ridiculous claim.

None of them are especially fast either. Larry is a prototype WR as far as measurable, but hes certainly no Randy Moss. Stephen Williams is a tall guy, he sort of lanky, not very fast.

While we don't have real burners, you're flat out wrong here. Roberts runs a 4.4. Fitz ran a 4.4. Really the only guy who didn't have good speed was Doucet. Do some research before you make claims like this on this board. This is rudimentary research; it's quite easy to google all of our WRs and see that nearly all of them ran in and around a 4.4, which is good speed by any calculation.

To summarize, our WRs arent deep threats (except Larry). all the real talent is gone. Whats a Cardinal to do?...Tha Raidasssssss!!! lol. They build their football team like I did on Madden when I was 10 years old. Go over to the speed column, sort. Go over to the size column, sort. Pick the 5 top guys in both. I have not seen the Raiders cut list yet but I can virtually guarantee the WRs will be far bigger and faster than our own. *I acknowledge they wont be as 'talented', but it doesnt take talent to run straight down the sideline. Thats all wed expect of them, no route running, no hands-team drills. Just a burn man who will create a deep threat opportunity and stretch the field, if anything just help open the field up for Larry or Early.

So let me summarize your position. We should cut one of our developing young receivers that have talent, for a speed guy who has none? LOL ok that makes sense. This isn't Madden; guys with talent >>> guys with speed. If we want a speed guy, draft one next year and develop them once we have more clarity with our WR corps.

As a side note I did hear Lito Sheppard was cut. He may be old as dirt for the position but you can argue hes any worse than the UFA or 7th round CB cuts we're snatching up from other teams. If anything he'll bring experience and on field coaching for PP and AJ. Id really like to bring him in.

Lito Sheppard is garbage. I'd much rather develop a young guy who has a chance to play for years than to bring a old hasbeen. There is a reason Lito doesn't start in the NFL anymore. He's doo-doo.

So, I thought it was a interesting idea. Nothing would really change. Andre, Larry and Early would be out there 90% of the time and every once in awhile throw D'faste Mcrun out there for a deep out. In order to accomplish this someones going to have to go to the PS. Be either Williams or Demarco. Stephen because im worried he may get a case of the droppsies or Demarco just because hes a rookie and Id doubt hed get snatched up even if he were put on the waiver wire.

my 2$ (just realized theres no 'cent' symbol on this keyboard. Outrageous, what the heck am I paying for)


Got Raiders cut list:

lol--> WR: Chad Jackson: 6'1, 215 , 4.32 40. Wow.

Chad Jackson is horrible. Your entire post is basically centered on how we need more speed (which we're not really lacking), our receivers are small (which their not), and that we should cut a young talented guy for someone with speed to free up Fitzgerald? News flash: Even with a speed guy, Fitzgerald is not going to get freed up.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think Bohda and the Smel should never post in the same thread...

 

[Bodha]

hate

Wow, if you're here whos running hell.

This entire thread was supposed to be fun. Hence the title 'BRO SCIENCE'.

Im not even going to acknowledge your BS, youre an idiot.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Wow, if you're here whos running hell.

This entire thread was supposed to be fun. Hence the title 'BRO SCIENCE'.

Im not even going to acknowledge your BS, youre an idiot.

So you come in spewing, what was obvious to everyone else who posted here, a very uneducated, poorly researched post and then when we call you on your ignorance, you resort to namecalling.

Cheers mate, because I don't think you're going to last long on this board. We don't have much tolerance for opinions not supported by fact around here, nor do we like people who, instead of responding as an adult, merely resort to childish namecalling.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think Bohda and the Smel should never post in the same thread...

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think Bohda and the Smel should never post in the same thread...

Chad Jackson is rated a 98 out of 100, 1 point behind Larry Fitzgerald and Mat Leenart as greatest Cardinal ever!

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Bohda and the Smel should never post in the same thread...

Actually, I think his style and content are very similar to another poster that dropped in for a few weeks before going on a moderator assisted hiatus. I posted on Arizonasportsfans and all I got was this Black T (shirt).

Steve

 

[Big Deal]

Yeah it seems like this guy, smel, and bj are either related, or the same poster.

 

[Bodha]

So you come in spewing, what was obvious to everyone else who posted here, a very uneducated, poorly researched post and then when we call you on your ignorance, you resort to namecalling.

Cheers mate, because I don't think you're going to last long on this board. We don't have much tolerance for opinions not supported by fact around here, nor do we like people who, instead of responding as an adult, merely resort to childish namecalling.

Whats this "We" talk?

so far everyone Ive met on this board has been awsome. Your alone here.

While you didnt directly call me any names, your entire post was nothing but smart ass, condescending garbage. This thread was supposed to be fun speculation and you come in here with your stank attitude.

Dont "We feel" anything, you dont represent the guys around here. Look around, they all seemed to take this thread with a sense of humor. Why didnt you.

 

[40yearfan]

Jerry Rice wasn't particularly fast, but he did alright.

One of the fastest receivers we ever had was "Old Skillethands". He'd get there before everyone else. He just couldn't manage to hang onto the ball.

Speed has it's place in football, but if you don't have the soft hands to go with it, it is useless in a WR.

 

[Cardiac]

Just put PP21 out there to run a worthless go route a couple of times a game instead of cutting one of our WR's who actually have earned the right to be on the team.

 

[PJ1]

Just put PP21 out there to run a worthless go route a couple of times a game instead of cutting one of our WR's who actually have earned the right to be on the team.

This suggestion has merit. Looks to me like Peterson has pretty good hands also.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Hearing Fitz talk about DeMarco Sampson makes me think he's a keeper and may be be pretty good when he gets some experience.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Whats this "We" talk?

so far everyone Ive met on this board has been awsome. Your alone here.

While you didnt directly call me any names, your entire post was nothing but smart ass, condescending garbage. This thread was supposed to be fun speculation and you come in here with your stank attitude.

Dont "We feel" anything, you dont represent the guys around here. Look around, they all seemed to take this thread with a sense of humor. Why didnt you.

Hmmm...read through the rest of the thread and you will see that quite a few of the posters agrees with the premises I posted.

If you can't stand healthy debate, then maybe you should put me on ignore or at least be civil enough not to attack me personally when all I was doing was refuting your misinformed, poorly researched premise.