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A shameful display by both Kane and Lamela, clear dives on both penalties. That said, Liverpool once again snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
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A shameful display by both Kane and Lamela, clear dives on both penalties. That said, Liverpool once again snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
Liverpool are lucky to get a draw and are off the hook because of referee decisions. rather convenient for Klopp to be a martyr if you ask me. Today the talk is not about Liverpool blowing yet another lead...
Van Diijk is off the hook here as well. he was careless in the box. yes Lamela went down rather easy, but what's he supposed to do there stand and hide the contact in favour of Liverpool? players on all clubs do that in every match for 90+ mins. Suddenly people want rules not to be rules when it is convenient. When it's the other way Liverpool supporters are screaming for a penalty.
the kane penalty is far more interesting. In spite of the fact that the refs were caught on camera admitting that they did not see lovren kick the ball...he was ruled onside and did dive but IIRC the keeper missed the ball and made contact with Kane. those get called all of the time. If kane stayed on his feet he probably scores. Ironically he missed the penalty.
Van Diijk is off the hook here as well. he was careless in the box. yes Lamela went down rather easy, but what's he supposed to do there stand and hide the contact in favour of Liverpool? players on all clubs do that in every match for 90+ mins. Suddenly people want rules not to be rules when it is convenient. When it's the other way Liverpool supporters are screaming for a penalty.
the kane penalty is far more interesting. In spite of the fact that the refs were caught on camera admitting that they did not see lovren kick the ball...he was ruled onside and did dive but IIRC the keeper missed the ball and made contact with Kane. those get called all of the time. If kane stayed on his feet he probably scores. Ironically he missed the penalty.
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Why do you think that they were lucky to get the draw? You admitted that he should have been called onside, and he dove? By that logic, Liverpool are unlucky to get a draw and Kane missing the first pen was sweet justice.
The second pen, while soft as hell, is a pen. Liverpool supporters are furious because of the lack of consistency in the officiating. The refs were letting them play during the game when players from both sides could have been taken off by red cards. (which is also something people aren't talking about because of the pen decisions) and then start calling things super tight and the end of the game. Which is usually backwards from how games are usually called. THAT is the problem.
The same officiating problem happened in the Palace, Newcastle game. A pen was called (rightfully) for tugging on shirts in the box, and then the same thing happens time after time after that pen call with no pen awarded. VAR is coming sooner rather than later.
With all of that said, this was another classic game though. Liverpool play the most exciting brand of football in the world.
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It really was. It will be a contender for goal of the season.
I agree about the lack of consistency. I never saw any send off tackles but there was a yellow given to a Liverpool player that was not given earlier to the spurs player for the same tackle and I think involving the same two players. But I guess we've seen people sent off for less.
I also contend that if the shoe were on the other foot Liverpool fans would be screaming for a penalty in those situations(what we saw at the end) and spurs fans would be critical of the refs. It's always a convenience factor with referee decisions. Most pundits even ones with Liverpool ties are saying the refs got the calls right in the end.
the reason I say they are lucky is because they sat back and let Spurs take control of the match. It started in the first half, but Liverpool defended and countered very well in the first 45 and almost went up 2-0 at the end of the first if not for a poor pass by salah. I don't know what Liverpool were doing in the second half. they got a fair point in the end for me. if that makes sense. both sides were lucky if you consider the unecessary penalty at the end and that Kane missed one as well.
For VAR yes it is needed for obvious decisions that are missed.. I've heard many reference that for the two penalty calls, but I'm not sure it would have changed anything anyway on the two penalties other than clearing up Lovren's touch which seemed to be the only aspect in question. As we see in other sports video replay does not fix everything and makes some things even more controversial. As we see in American Football we no longer know what a catch is anymore and it ruins games. It's really only good for the obvious calls that are missed.
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Salah's goal was great as well. the ball just sticks at that guys feet. what a player.
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I don't think Liverpool sat back and let Spurs take control. Spurs are a good enough team to dictate play and they were just the better team in the second half. I get how you can see a point as a fair result. I just wouldn't say that Liverpool was lucky to get that one point.
Good game for sure.
true...great match and made for a lot of good talking points.
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So Lamela before he got so slightly kicked was also in an offside position, something that didn't get caught in real time but would have been caught by VAR. Sigh.
That’s true his leg was offside. Spurs got lucky there. Spurs should have scored in a sequence in the first half where I thought son was onside but they called him off.
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What a performance in Porto in the Champions League. 5-0 on the road to a team that hasn't lost at home in 24 games. Most impressive team in the Champions League 1st leg so far.
Great result for Liverpool. Most impressed with the clean sheet for them.
The English clubs are doing brilliantly in UCL. If you consider what spurs did to Real Madrid already in the last round and then look at city. Going to be fun to watch.
The English clubs are doing brilliantly in UCL. If you consider what spurs did to Real Madrid already in the last round and then look at city. Going to be fun to watch.
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Newcastle played well for 30 minutes until Oxlade Chanberlin opened them up and Salah scores. Really disappointed that Rafa didn't even try to open it up after they were down 2-0. They seemed happy to lose 2-0 and seemed like they were trying to minimize goal differential.
Still though. Easy win and with Chelsea losing, we have a 7 point gap to 5th place. Another top 4 finish and hope to challenge for the title next season.
Still though. Easy win and with Chelsea losing, we have a 7 point gap to 5th place. Another top 4 finish and hope to challenge for the title next season.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention the absolute red card that wasn't given in stoppage time. It was as easy of a call as you will see and not even a foul was called. Really looks bad, even if the game was in hand.
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No doubt it was, and I don't care. It would have relegated Newcastle not to have Lascelles for 3 games, no question, so I'm thrilled with the no call. Salah kicking the ball a bit is said to have confused the ref, for which I am grateful.
I don't think Rafa could really have gone for it. Who are Newcastle going to throw on at that point? What formation change was going to make a difference? Like with the two Man City games, there was one real chance to get anything in this game, and it didn't come off. It sucks that I was watching a game (after the first part of it) realizing my team have absolutely zero chance to get anything, but that's Ashley's fault, not Rafa's. Newcastle are a Championship squad he might just keep up in the Premiership. It would be an accomplishment far greater than any Premier League or CL trophy at a big club, IMO.
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He could have thrown in Joselu instead of a straight swap for Gayle. Liverpool has been extremely vulnerable to set pieces this season, so he could have gone the long ball/free kick route. I don't know if they could have changed formation at all. Do they play any other way than this. I'm sure they don't just sit back against the bottom half of the table though.
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This one was played to protect GD and to try to keep it scoreless and nick something at the end. I don't blame him for that in tis fixture. If they the same thing against Southampton Saturday, then I'll be worried.
True. Chelsea did the same against Man City...save the GD bit.
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That was a poorly coached game. Chelsea have the firepower to play with City and chose not to.
True conte is getting ripped for it.
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Trent Alexander Arnold had his worst game as a professional so far. 2 mistakes 2 goals. Didn't help that Lovren didn't cover.
However, the ref did not do Liverpool any justice. Two clear penalties and an even clearer red card that wasn't called sealed Liverpool's fate. Only have a 5 point lead in the top 4 race now. Liverpool don't have any more room for mistakes.
However, the ref did not do Liverpool any justice. Two clear penalties and an even clearer red card that wasn't called sealed Liverpool's fate. Only have a 5 point lead in the top 4 race now. Liverpool don't have any more room for mistakes.
I watched the condensed match last night. Not surprised united got 3
Points at home and they are getting their form back as well. Rashford had a wonderful first half. Yes Mourinho got conservative with failaany for rashford that deserved boos. and he did commit a penalty for me but blaming the refs is a common theme now with klopp.
I think Liverpool are safe with Chelsea’s knees buckling at the moment but they cannot lose their focus.
Points at home and they are getting their form back as well. Rashford had a wonderful first half. Yes Mourinho got conservative with failaany for rashford that deserved boos. and he did commit a penalty for me but blaming the refs is a common theme now with klopp.
I think Liverpool are safe with Chelsea’s knees buckling at the moment but they cannot lose their focus.
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Drawing Man City in the quarterfinals isn't ideal. I'd still rather face them than Barca, Real, or Bayern though.
Yeah at least they have defeated city. For me City is more impressive than those other clubs because of what they are doing in such a tough league. But good luck to Liverpool. I’ll be pulling for them over the others.
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