Lonzo Ball

[Bodha]

"stay in your lane," which is the equivalent of telling a woman to "go back to the kitchen."

Since when?

Is that the 2017 version of "you people" ?

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Since when?

Is that the 2017 version of "you people" ?

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It's pretty much telling a woman to shut up.

 

[TJ]

Since when?

Is that the 2017 version of "you people"

If the shoe fits...

 

[Bodha]

It's pretty much telling a woman to shut up.

She needed to be told to shut up. She was talking about Lavar as a parent, about his wife, his kids. He tells her to not talk to him, and she pulls the victim card. I dont like Lavar but I applaud him for not taking her BS.


He says he doesnt like her because shes a hater (.37 seconds). Not because shes a woman. But she wants to make it an attack on all women (1.55). Her passive aggressive BS was garbage. Lavar was keeping the conversation on sports and she kept jabbing with non-sports comments.

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[AsUpRoDiGy]

She needed to be told to shut up. She was talking about Lavar as a parent, about his wife, his kids. He tells her to not talk to him, and she pulls the victim card. I dont like Lavar but I applaud him for not taking her BS.


He says he doesnt like her because shes a hater (.37 seconds). Not because shes a woman. But she wants to make it an attack on all women (1.55). Her passive aggressive BS was garbage. Lavar was keeping the conversation on sports and she kept jabbing with non-sports comments.

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He doesn't even look over at her to acknowledge that she's even there. That's something a 5 year old would do...the guy is a douche.

 

[Bodha]

He doesn't even look over at her to acknowledge that she's even there. That's something a 5 year old would do...the guy is a douche.

yes, he is a douche.

But shes an even bigger douche for taking the conversation away from sports, and trying to derail the interview with her BS little jabs. He wasnt disrespecting all women. He was disrespecting Michelle Lehea, who deserved it.

And I commend him for not looking at her. He was trying to ignore her. He wasnt attacking. He said leave me alone. Thats a perfectly acceptable way to deal with someone you dont like. "If you dont have something nice to say...". But she couldnt leave him alone, so he spazzed on her.

Not that it matters, but a temperature check of social media says the vast amount of people, men and women, agree she was out of line, and he was right to put her in her place.

 

[TJ]

Let's all agree, this man is not doing his son any favors. Nor is he being busy savvy with BBB. I get what he's trying to do. And he has generated a ton of free press. And I know the old adage there's no such thing as bad press, but I think we all know that's proven not to be true. LeVar has 100% absolutely damaged the value of lonzo ball. He's just too arrogant to admit it.

I disagree with the bolded. Going into last season, Lonzo was a Top 5 draft pick and is now cemented as the #2 pick. LaVar has been shooting his mouth off since early in the season and it had never affected Lonzo's game one bit. LaVar has been, using his words, "speaking it into existence" that Lonzo was going to the Lakers since the UofA game in Tucson back in February. If you're like me and believe that the league is fixed, then comments like that may have sealed the deal, since the NBA loves side stories and drama, particularly with its big market teams. If tomorrow, Lonzo were to decide to break away from the BBB business and sign with Nike, UA, Reebok, or Adidas, they'd offer him a massive contract, probably more since Lonzo has been the most discussed draft prospect the past two days.

I think to this point, the notion that LaVar has damaged Lonzo's value or is going to negatively impact his play is overstated. The only thing that is going to make-or-break this Lonzo's value is if he has an abysmal rookie season. If Lonzo has a stellar rookie campaign, those $500 shoes are going to start selling. If not, they'll rot in a warehouse or be sent to Ross to sell for $35. This BBB endeavor is intriguing because its business is being promoted through the play of a rookie; whereas, existing brands have brought on players through endorsement deals. While I frankly don't care for the guy, especially considering how he acted like an ass to Kristine Leahy, I give props to LaVar for taking a unique path to developing a business. He's challenged the big shoe companies head on; and who knows. If Lonzo plays well, we might see a revolution of sorts.

 

[TJ]

She needed to be told to shut up. She was talking about Lavar as a parent, about his wife, his kids. He tells her to not talk to him, and she pulls the victim card. I dont like Lavar but I applaud him for not taking her BS.


He says he doesnt like her because shes a hater (.37 seconds). Not because shes a woman. But she wants to make it an attack on all women (1.55). Her passive aggressive BS was garbage. Lavar was keeping the conversation on sports and she kept jabbing with non-sports comments.

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Leahy: "How many [shoes]?"
Ball: (points to Leahy) "Stay in your lane"

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Hmmm....sounds to me like LaVar was the one who escalated the conversation to some place other than sports. He could've kept the conversation grounded and given her a number, true or otherwise, and that exchange never gets as heated as it did.

Furthermore, what do you expect Kristine's response to be? Walk off stage? Turn her mic off? That's not how the show works. Colin runs the interview and Kristine, as the co-host, asks follow up questions. Nothing she did was out of line. And no, that was not passive-aggressive. She was direct, to the point, and defended herself as respectable as she could given the circumstances. She didn't play the victim card. She was in control of the entire conversation. Additionally, how was Ball focused solely on sports when he took a shot at Whitlock's weight?

 

[Folster]

Now that the possibility of us drafting Lonzo is virtually zero,

http://worldsocialpoll.altervista.org/04022017YearPollRes.html

about this thread.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

She needed to be told to shut up. She was talking about Lavar as a parent, about his wife, his kids. He tells her to not talk to him, and she pulls the victim card. I dont like Lavar but I applaud him for not taking her BS.


He says he doesnt like her because shes a hater (.37 seconds). Not because shes a woman. But she wants to make it an attack on all women (1.55). Her passive aggressive BS was garbage. Lavar was keeping the conversation on sports and she kept jabbing with non-sports comments.

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He agreed to be interviewed. He's an a/hole.

 

[Russ Smith]

It wasn't disrespectful. Leahy wanted to know how much inventory he sold and his response was completely inappropriate and off-topic, "stay in your lane," which is the equivalent of telling a woman to "go back to the kitchen." Leahy's point, which is very valid, is that Ball doesn't market to women, who are the largest consumer of sports apparel. If Ball's target market is the teenage population, he's going to want to appeal to women, as it's the mothers who buy their sons shoes and apparel.

It's also funny because BBB actually sells women's apparel, as well. Why alienate a target market? That'd be like Under Armor selling golf apparel and its CEO saying that golfers are inferior athletes to football players.

I hate to defend Lavar at this point but the entire interview and what preceded it is out there in the public media and if people see it they might change their opinion of Leahy.

She has been bashing Lavar and his sons for months. just before this exchange she said on air, to Cowherd, that the sons were "afraid of Lavar" and were only playing basketball out of fear. She criticized Lavars parenting skills repeatedly, not just saying you're harming Lonzo's marketing(which I agree with) but saying you're a horrible parent.

She went out of her way to trash him and then acted like she'd done nothing and just wanted to ask him a question about shoe sale figures. He was smart enough to realize she wasn't really asking she was preparing to attack him for lack of sales and she baited him into it.

I felt she went way too quickly with the don't disrespect women comment he was disrespecting HER, because she had been attacking him and his sons for weeks.

As for the he's not marketing to women stuff, which was dumb to say, again that's because just a few weeks ago she said she would never wear BBB brand anything, said it was too expensive and that she would never wear something that said "Big Baller" on it and the mistake he's making is women will never wear his gear. So what he said didn't come out of nowhere he was reacting to comments she had already made publicly weeks ago trashing him and his products.

I think he went too far absolutely, but the immediate reaction yesterday was Lavar Ball is a sexist pig. then people started to see some of the background on what Leahy had said about him, and you started to see a bunch of backlash against her, even from women saying she played the sexist card way too quickly she was clearly baiting him so she could say that.

I wish he'd keep his mouth shut, not going to happen, but in this case I think both him and Leahy were at fault. She should stand behind the stuff she said earlier not cry sexism, and he should have approached her differently. He should be very blunt, look it's public record you don't like or respect me, that's fine, that's your right. But if you're going to trash talk my sons or my parenting, don't expect me to stand by and listen.

They were both wrong IMO

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I disagree with the bolded. Going into last season, Lonzo was a Top 5 draft pick and is now cemented as the #2 pick. LaVar has been shooting his mouth off since early in the season and it had never affected Lonzo's game one bit. LaVar has been, using his words, "speaking it into existence" that Lonzo was going to the Lakers since the UofA game in Tucson back in February. If you're like me and believe that the league is fixed, then comments like that may have sealed the deal, since the NBA loves side stories and drama, particularly with its big market teams. If tomorrow, Lonzo were to decide to break away from the BBB business and sign with Nike, UA, Reebok, or Adidas, they'd offer him a massive contract, probably more since Lonzo has been the most discussed draft prospect the past two days.

I think to this point, the notion that LaVar has damaged Lonzo's value or is going to negatively impact his play is overstated. The only thing that is going to make-or-break this Lonzo's value is if he has an abysmal rookie season. If Lonzo has a stellar rookie campaign, those $500 shoes are going to start selling. If not, they'll rot in a warehouse or be sent to Ross to sell for $35. This BBB endeavor is intriguing because its business is being promoted through the play of a rookie; whereas, existing brands have brought on players through endorsement deals. While I frankly don't care for the guy, especially considering how he acted like an ass to Kristine Leahy, I give props to LaVar for taking a unique path to developing a business. He's challenged the big shoe companies head on; and who knows. If Lonzo plays well, we might see a revolution of sorts.

I don't think levar affects his play. Never have. And always argued against it. And I would avoid drafting lonzo bc of dad. But you're crazy if you don't think it's hurt lonzos marketing value you're nuts. Who wants to deal with the douchebag? And lonzo, while a Quiet kid, doesn't distance and in fact supports his fathers douchebaggery. This is more than just the show companies. People will sign him if he ends up being great, but anything less and I believe his father has caused him 10s of millions of dollars.

 

[Russ Smith]

I never said LaVar was an idiot. In fact, I have said on this forum that he's a genius for causing all of the talking heads to focus on him; thus, generating free marketing. I find it hypocritical, however, that he tells the public that he's not focusing on marketing towards women when he has a line of women's apparel.

essentially what he said to her was what rappers have been saying for 25 years when some white person says I don't like rap it's not music. Or before that what hard rockers said when some old person said I don't like that it's not music. If it's too loud, you're too old. If you don't like rap guess what you're not supposed to it's not for you. that's what he was saying to her, you openly said you would never wear a shirt that says big baller on it, if that's true, that's fine because you're not my target audience. there ARE women who are part of his target audience.

The way he said it was wrong but I think his point was not I don't want women buying my stuff, it was this gear isn't your thing, that is fine.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I hate to defend Lavar at this point but the entire interview and what preceded it is out there in the public media and if people see it they might change their opinion of Leahy.

She has been bashing Lavar and his sons for months. just before this exchange she said on air, to Cowherd, that the sons were "afraid of Lavar" and were only playing basketball out of fear. She criticized Lavars parenting skills repeatedly, not just saying you're harming Lonzo's marketing(which I agree with) but saying you're a horrible parent.

She went out of her way to trash him and then acted like she'd done nothing and just wanted to ask him a question about shoe sale figures. He was smart enough to realize she wasn't really asking she was preparing to attack him for lack of sales and she baited him into it.

I felt she went way too quickly with the don't disrespect women comment he was disrespecting HER, because she had been attacking him and his sons for weeks.

As for the he's not marketing to women stuff, which was dumb to say, again that's because just a few weeks ago she said she would never wear BBB brand anything, said it was too expensive and that she would never wear something that said "Big Baller" on it and the mistake he's making is women will never wear his gear. So what he said didn't come out of nowhere he was reacting to comments she had already made publicly weeks ago trashing him and his products.

I think he went too far absolutely, but the immediate reaction yesterday was Lavar Ball is a sexist pig. then people started to see some of the background on what Leahy had said about him, and you started to see a bunch of backlash against her, even from women saying she played the sexist card way too quickly she was clearly baiting him so she could say that.

I wish he'd keep his mouth shut, not going to happen, but in this case I think both him and Leahy were at fault. She should stand behind the stuff she said earlier not cry sexism, and he should have approached her differently. He should be very blunt, look it's public record you don't like or respect me, that's fine, that's your right. But if you're going to trash talk my sons or my parenting, don't expect me to stand by and listen.

They were both wrong IMO

He doesn't want to address her questions, don't agree to the interview. You don't get the upside of the free press without having to do the work. Did he not know she was going to be on? Did she ambush him?

 

[Russ Smith]

Leahy: "How many [shoes]?"
Ball: (points to Leahy) "Stay in your lane"

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Hmmm....sounds to me like LaVar was the one who escalated the conversation to some place other than sports. He could've kept the conversation grounded and given her a number, true or otherwise, and that exchange never gets as heated as it did.

Furthermore, what do you expect Kristine's response to be? Walk off stage? Turn her mic off? That's not how the show works. Colin runs the interview and Kristine, as the co-host, asks follow up questions. Nothing she did was out of line. And no, that was not passive-aggressive. She was direct, to the point, and defended herself as respectable as she could given the circumstances. She didn't play the victim card. She was in control of the entire conversation. Additionally, how was Ball focused solely on sports when he took a shot at Whitlock's weight?

I've never heard of Leahy before yesterday but just listen to HOW she says how many. She's not actually asking she's saying it derisively.

Then she demands he explain why he has a problem with her and he tells her about her comments about Lonzo is afraid and so I"m afraid of her and she takes that and gets mad. then he says you said I'd never wear that and she responds "I never said that." which is completely untrue.

He catches her and says yes you did I heard you say it at which point she realizes uh oh I did say that, it's on tape, and she backtracks and says I was saying that as a woman. So in a 30 second bit she went from he's got a problem with me to as a woman there's a problem. She is the one that took it from Lavar Ball doesn't like me(Leahy) which is obvious, to Lavar Ball doesn't like women.

 

[Russ Smith]

He doesn't want to address her questions, don't agree to the interview. You don't get the upside of the free press without having to do the work. Did he not know she was going to be on? Did she ambush him?

I agree there. First off Cowherd hates UCLA, he's been VERY critical of UCLA for years, so when Lavar Ball goes on his show, he knows right away this is a guy that was critical of UCLA all year, expressed skepticism of Lonzo all year.

So going in he is on the defensive.

And I do believe he fully intended to get into it with Leahy, I think that's why he went on the show.

That said, again she's acting like she's completely innocent and has never uttered a bad word about Lavar ball. I don't even know who she is let alone follow her social media but this was not her first rodeo she has been attacking him for awhile now.

I think this is a case of 2 can play at that game and when he did, she cried sexist.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm not absolving her. But the "stay in your lane comment" echoes of sexism.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I disagree with the bolded. Going into last season, Lonzo was a Top 5 draft pick and is now cemented as the #2 pick. LaVar has been shooting his mouth off since early in the season and it had never affected Lonzo's game one bit. LaVar has been, using his words, "speaking it into existence" that Lonzo was going to the Lakers since the UofA game in Tucson back in February. If you're like me and believe that the league is fixed, then comments like that may have sealed the deal, since the NBA loves side stories and drama, particularly with its big market teams. If tomorrow, Lonzo were to decide to break away from the BBB business and sign with Nike, UA, Reebok, or Adidas, they'd offer him a massive contract, probably more since Lonzo has been the most discussed draft prospect the past two days.

I think to this point, the notion that LaVar has damaged Lonzo's value or is going to negatively impact his play is overstated. The only thing that is going to make-or-break this Lonzo's value is if he has an abysmal rookie season. If Lonzo has a stellar rookie campaign, those $500 shoes are going to start selling. If not, they'll rot in a warehouse or be sent to Ross to sell for $35. This BBB endeavor is intriguing because its business is being promoted through the play of a rookie; whereas, existing brands have brought on players through endorsement deals. While I frankly don't care for the guy, especially considering how he acted like an ass to Kristine Leahy, I give props to LaVar for taking a unique path to developing a business. He's challenged the big shoe companies head on; and who knows. If Lonzo plays well, we might see a revolution of sorts.

I don't think Lavar has damaged Lonzo's value as a player, but he has damaged his marketability off the court--endorsement deals etc. That is not a worry to the team that drafts him and eventually it will probably settle down as Lavar starts to focus in his other sons.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm not absolving her. But the "stay in your lane comment" echoes of sexism.

I don't think it does it basically means mind your business. She's a woman but he wasn't saying it because she was a woman, he was saying it because he doesn't like her, because of things she's said about him and his sons.

I think he dislikes HER, not that she's a woman but because she's been openly trashing him.

 

[Bodha]

He agreed to be interviewed. He's an a/hole.

Its the Colin Cowherd show, not the off-topic, passive aggressive assistant show. He even said "Im here to talk to you Colin, not her. Shes a terrific reporter, but I dont want to talk to her". He told her to not talk to him because hed heard her trashing him on a previous segment, and he didnt like her, as you are allowed in this world.

Theres alot going on here:

1. Your bias hate towards Lavar is making anything he does seem wrong.

2. Shes a girl and therefore shes permanently a victim and incapable of being at fault for any situation whatsoever.


Bottom line: She attacked him. He snapped back at her. Now shes playing victim.

 

[TJ]

I don't think levar affects his play. Never have. And always argued against it. And I would avoid drafting lonzo bc of dad. But you're crazy if you don't think it's hurt lonzos marketing value you're nuts. Who wants to deal with the douchebag? And lonzo, while a Quiet kid, doesn't distance and in fact supports his fathers douchebaggery. This is more than just the show companies. People will sign him if he ends up being great, but anything less and I believe his father has caused him 10s of millions of dollars.

So what I'm reading is that if Lonzo plays less than stellar, he misses out on millions of dollars. Sounds like we agree that the only variable controlling his value is his play on the court. That's not dissimilar to any other athlete. If Fultz struggles out of the gate, no one is going to want to hitch their wagons to him.

Again, I really think dad's impact on Lonzo's value is greatly overstated. If anything, we are talking about Lonzo far more than Tatum, Fultz, Fox, Lauri, et al, combined. His exposure is off the chain and that alone promotes value.

I'm more focused on how LaVar is going to react to LiAngelo being at UCLA this season, who's far less talented and believed by dad to be equally as talented. When Alford doesn't play him major minutes, LaVar won't be happy.

I've never heard of Leahy before yesterday but just listen to HOW she says how many. She's not actually asking she's saying it derisively.

Then she demands he explain why he has a problem with her and he tells her about her comments about Lonzo is afraid and so I"m afraid of her and she takes that and gets mad. then he says you said I'd never wear that and she responds "I never said that." which is completely untrue.

He catches her and says yes you did I heard you say it at which point she realizes uh oh I did say that, it's on tape, and she backtracks and says I was saying that as a woman. So in a 30 second bit she went from he's got a problem with me to as a woman there's a problem. She is the one that took it from Lavar Ball doesn't like me(Leahy) which is obvious, to Lavar Ball doesn't like women.

Full disclosure: I listen to The Herd everyday, so I know about how they think of LaVar.

This is where LaVar needs to learn restraint and to placate to his detractors as part of his schtick. He knows damn well he's a polarizing figure and has to be a bit more political. That exchange did not need to go to where it did. Part of signing up to be on the show is to be interviewed by both Cowherd, a LaVar sycophant, and Leahy, a critic. Amidst all of the mishegas, Leahy brought up a valid point in that LaVar needs to do a better job appealing to women.

 

[TJ]

I don't think Lavar has damaged Lonzo's value as a player, but he has damaged his marketability off the court--endorsement deals etc. That is not a worry to the team that drafts him and eventually it will probably settle down as Lavar starts to focus in his other sons.

Honest question--where do you think Lonzo should be at the moment with endorsement deals? If, as you say, things settles down, he'll have large number deals with Gatorade, McDonald's, etc. All this schtick is is exposure, and the Balls have it in spades.

 

[Suns_fan69]

To me they both came off as douches. The silver lining with the 4th pick is we don't have to deal with Ball, imo.

 

[TJ]

Its the Colin Cowherd show, not the off-topic, passive aggressive assistant show.

That's 100% not true, and Colin clarified her role on the show after the incident yesterday. She's the co-host and works in tandem with Colin.

 

[Russ Smith]

So what I'm reading is that if Lonzo plays less than stellar, he misses out on millions of dollars. Sounds like we agree that the only variable controlling his value is his play on the court. That's not dissimilar to any other athlete. If Fultz struggles out of the gate, no one is going to want to hitch their wagons to him.

Again, I really think dad's impact on Lonzo's value is greatly overstated. If anything, we are talking about Lonzo far more than Tatum, Fultz, Fox, Lauri, et al, combined. His exposure is off the chain and that alone promotes value.

I'm more focused on how LaVar is going to react to LiAngelo being at UCLA this season, who's far less talented and believed by dad to be equally as talented. When Alford doesn't play him major minutes, LaVar won't be happy.



Full disclosure: I listen to The Herd everyday, so I know about how they think of LaVar.

This is where LaVar needs to learn restraint and to placate to his detractors as part of his schtick. He knows damn well he's a polarizing figure and has to be a bit more political. That exchange did not need to go to where it did. Part of signing up to be on the show is to be interviewed by both Cowherd, a LaVar sycophant, and Leahy, a critic. Amidst all of the mishegas, Leahy brought up a valid point in that LaVar needs to do a better job appealing to women.

I agree my point is I don't think it's accurate to say Lavar Ball disrespected WOMEN, I think he disrespected Leahy and that's not the same thing. She's a woman obviously, but she's not all women. He disrespected her because she's been attacking him, not because she's a woman.

She asked him why do you have a problem with me, he started to explain it and she immediately accused him of being sexist.

So I think he had an agenda going on the show and fully expected to go after her, but I think she did too, I think she had that card in her back pocket and as soon as she realized he'd caught her in a lie when she said "I never said that" she pulled out the card and hid behind it.

I'm a big Michelle Beadle fan I can't imagine her doing what Leahy did because I think she's professional enough to realize it was personal against Leahy, not against all women.