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Its the Colin Cowherd show, not the off-topic, passive aggressive assistant show. He even said "Im here to talk to you Colin, not her. Shes a terrific reporter, but I dont want to talk to her". He told her to not talk to him because hed heard her trashing him on a previous segment, and he didnt like her, as you are allowed in this world.

Theres alot going on here:

1. Your bias hate towards Lavar is making anything he does seem wrong.

2. Shes a girl and therefore shes permanently a victim and incapable of being at fault for any situation whatsoever.


Bottom line: She attacked him. He snapped back at her. Now shes playing victim.
It's cowherds show. She works in the show. Levar knew that. It's what he signed up for. Don't want her to attack you don't go in the show. I can't believe you can't understand that concept. And I called her out as well.

I don't hate levar. I don't know him. I think he's a negative member of society from what I've gleaned from his public persona. He has control of that narrative. So it's on him.
 

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I hate to defend Lavar at this point but the entire interview and what preceded it is out there in the public media and if people see it they might change their opinion of Leahy.

Yeah, I was going to mention this. If you just listen to that interview it's easy to paint Lavar with the sexist brush but she's been very outspoken about him on several fronts. I think you can ignore a lot of it but when she takes a shot at you as a father, well, that's a line that shouldn't be crossed without good cause (not just supposition).
 

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It's cowherds show. She works in the show. Levar knew that. It's what he signed up for. Don't want her to attack you don't go in the show. I can't believe you can't understand that concept. And I called her out as well.

I don't hate levar. I don't know him. I think he's a negative member of society from what I've gleaned from his public persona. He has control of that narrative. So it's on him.

......Or maybe she dont attack him?

No, thats not what he signed up for. He went on Colins show to talk to Colin about sports. Not have her say "you disrespect women". He did his best to distance himself from the conflict, but she wouldnt stop attacking him.


You know what hilarious (ooooh here we go)....this is similar to the Mixon situation.

You are more interested in his reaction to what she did. In both situations.
 

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Yeah, I was going to mention this. If you just listen to that interview it's easy to paint Lavar with the sexist brush but she's been very outspoken about him on several fronts. I think you can ignore a lot of it but when she takes a shot at you as a father, well, that's a line that shouldn't be crossed without good cause (not just supposition).


Yeah I am not defending what he said I'm just saying he attacked Leahy personally, not all women.

he's been on plenty of shows on ESPN etc where there were women hosts or co hosts, and she's the only one I'm aware of that he attacked like that. I don't see him go after Beadle or Jemelle Hill. I think he has a very clear personal issue with Leahy and based on what she's said on air, I don't fault him.
 

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......Or maybe she dont attack him?

No, thats not what he signed up for. He went on Colins show to talk to Colin about sports. Not have her say "you disrespect women". He did his best to distance himself from the conflict, but she wouldnt stop attacking him.


You know what hilarious (ooooh here we go)....this is similar to the Mixon situation.

You are more interested in his reaction to what she did. In both situations.


Don't buy that he went there to go after her and defend himself. He knew what was going to happen I fully believe he expected he and she were goign to get into it.
 

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That's 100% not true, and Colin clarified her role on the show after the incident yesterday. She's the co-host and works in tandem with Colin.

Shush, nobody tunes in to listen to her. Its the Colin Cowherd show. The Howard Stern Show. Ellen. Oprah. Letterman. Conan. Nobody cares about the sidekick. The sidekick does not cut checks.

You know why he said that? Because her BS backfired on her, and everybody on social media sided with Lavar. The shows twitter account got bombarded by people trashing her for the ambush she put on Lavar.
 

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Don't buy that he went there to go after her and defend himself. He knew what was going to happen I fully believe he expected he and she were goign to get into it.

and he told her "I dont want to talk to you, leave me alone."

It couldve ended right then and there. That was a perfectly respectable way to handle a confrontation. He wasnt goading her. He wasnt attacking.

He exited the fight. But she chased him to the parking lot.
 

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Shush, nobody tunes in to listen to her. Its the Colin Cowherd show. The Howard Stern Show. Ellen. Oprah. Letterman. Conan. Nobody cares about the sidekick. The sidekick does not cut checks.

You're missing the point. Leahy is an integral part of the show, and part of her role is to jump in to ask follow up questions. That's been dictated by Colin. You referenced Howard Stern. Robin Quivers was an integral part of his show, just like Leahy. Can't have one without the other.

Doesn't matter if people don't tune in for Leahy. She's part of the show and those who're interviewed on The Herd are subject to the same style of interviewing.
 

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and he told her "I dont want to talk to you, leave me alone."

It couldve ended right then and there. That was a perfectly respectable way to handle a confrontation. He wasnt goading her. He wasnt attacking.

He exited the fight. But she chased him to the parking lot.

Again he knew the format of the show. They weren't going to say ok you can just talk to Colin and she'll leave the room. he did that for a reason he justifiably doesn't like what she's been saying about him so he told her to mind her own business knowing she wouldn't because it's a show.

To me it was very similar, to what Jim Everett did when Jim Rome kept calling him Chrissy on air and Rome acted stunned and surprised. He knew he crossed a line, Everett even warned him not to say it again, he did, and Everett went after him. He went too far he got physical but the point is Rome was assuming because it was on tv he could say whatever he wanted and he was safe.

Leahy made the same assumption I'm on air I can attack Lavar anyway I want. When he went on air to go back at her, she reacted by crying sexism.

I think Lavar went there for a reason, to go after her. Talks shows don't work very well if you don't expect to interact with one of the hosts
 

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You're missing the point. Leahy is an integral part of the show, and part of her role is to jump in to ask follow up questions. That's been dictated by Colin. You referenced Howard Stern. Robin Quivers was an integral part of his show, just like Leahy. Can't have one without the other.

Doesn't matter if people don't tune in for Leahy. She's part of the show and those who're interviewed on The Herd are subject to the same style of interviewing.

Watch those clips and notice 1 thing...how quiet Colin is. She completely overstepped her place. She made the show an argument between her and Lavar.

After Lavar told her he didnt want to talk to her, a professional wouldve said "OK" and waited till the segment was over. Let Lavar and Colin finish their conversation. Not turn it into a personal altercation that derails the show.
 

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Watch those clips and notice 1 thing...how quiet Colin is. She completely overstepped her place. She made the show an argument between her and Lavar.

After Lavar told her he didnt want to talk to her, a professional wouldve said "OK" and waited till the segment was over. Let Lavar and Colin finish their conversation. Not turn it into a personal altercation that derails the show.

Because, as Colin explained after the matter, he let her defend herself. Colin 100% supported Leahy's approach to LaVar. The worst thing that could've happened was for Leahy to go mute. Saying she completely overstepped her place indicates that you are unfamiliar with how the show is run, particularly since Colin reaffirmed that that is, in fact, her place on the show. You can disagree with how the show is managed, but that's how it is operated.
 

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Because, as Colin explained after the matter, he let her defend herself. Colin 100% supported Leahy's approach to LaVar. The worst thing that could've happened was for Leahy to go mute. Saying she completely overstepped her place indicates that you are unfamiliar with how the show is run, particularly since Colin reaffirmed that that is, in fact, her place on the show. You can disagree with how the show is managed, but that's how it is operated.

Cmon dude, what else is he gonna say?

When your playing a sport, and your teammate hauls off and punches somebody, you still rush to their defense when the opponents understandably rush the guy.

You always defend your people, even when they are wrong.

The true judge is society. And Society says she was wrong. She ambushed him. Hes here to talk sports and his sons, and shes talking about respecting women? Absolute BS.
 

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Cmon dude, what else is he gonna say?

When your playing a sport, and your teammate hauls off and punches somebody, you still rush to their defense when the opponents understandably rush the guy.

You always defend your people, even when they are wrong.

The true judge is society. And Society says she was wrong. She ambushed him. Hes here to talk sports and his sons, and shes talking about respecting women? Absolute BS.

Or Colin could've said nothing after the segment, and then again, not reinforce the position on Speak for Yourself later in the day. That was not just some obligatory response by Cowherd, he genuinely came to her defense and went as far as to criticize LaVar's behavior during the segment. Recall that he not only came after Leahy, but also Jason Whitlock and his weight during the same segment. Both Colin and Leahy told him that that was out of line.

And seriously, stop with the "right and wrong" bulls**t. Those who are judging Leahy and LaVar are idiots. You feel uncomfortable that someone disagrees with your stance, then back it up with a better argument and you won't have to fall back on absolutes, such as "well, others think she was out of line; therefore, she was wrong."
 

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Or Colin could've said nothing after the segment, and then again, not reinforce the position on Speak for Yourself later in the day. That was not just some obligatory response by Cowherd, he genuinely came to her defense and went as far as to criticize LaVar's behavior during the segment. Recall that he not only came after Leahy, but also Jason Whitlock and his weight during the same segment. Both Colin and Leahy told him that that was out of line.

And seriously, stop with the "right and wrong" bulls**t. Those who are judging Leahy and LaVar are idiots. You feel uncomfortable that someone disagrees with your stance, then back it up with a better argument and you won't have to fall back on absolutes, such as "well, others think she was out of line; therefore, she was wrong."

IDGAF that you disagree with me. I wasnt even talking to you. You knocked on my door. I stated my opinion. Gator responded. Then me and Gator were discussing it, and then you felt the need to interject.

And the reason I bring up the majority of society, is because thats the reason Colin had to defend her. Because the shows twitter account was getting blown up by thousands of people who thought her behavior was reprehensible. If people didnt trash her, then he wouldnt feel the need to defend her.
 

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So what I'm reading is that if Lonzo plays less than stellar, he misses out on millions of dollars. Sounds like we agree that the only variable controlling his value is his play on the court. That's not dissimilar to any other athlete. If Fultz struggles out of the gate, no one is going to want to hitch their wagons to him.

Again, I really think dad's impact on Lonzo's value is greatly overstated. If anything, we are talking about Lonzo far more than Tatum, Fultz, Fox, Lauri, et al, combined. His exposure is off the chain and that alone promotes value.

I'm more focused on how LaVar is going to react to LiAngelo being at UCLA this season, who's far less talented and believed by dad to be equally as talented. When Alford doesn't play him major minutes, LaVar won't be happy.



Full disclosure: I listen to The Herd everyday, so I know about how they think of LaVar.

This is where LaVar needs to learn restraint and to placate to his detractors as part of his schtick. He knows damn well he's a polarizing figure and has to be a bit more political. That exchange did not need to go to where it did. Part of signing up to be on the show is to be interviewed by both Cowherd, a LaVar sycophant, and Leahy, a critic. Amidst all of the mishegas, Leahy brought up a valid point in that LaVar needs to do a better job appealing to women.
Yeah we are NOT agreeing there. Lonzo should have GREAT value right now. I don't think he does as a result of his father. He's got great EXPOSURE but no product wants the Balls associated with them right now. And if so, I'm sure at a discounted rate because of the levar variability.

I think fultz can play below average and still maintain marketing value because of upside. If lonzo doesn't excel immediately I believe his similar upside will be counterweighted by levar.
 
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......Or maybe she dont attack him?

No, thats not what he signed up for. He went on Colins show to talk to Colin about sports. Not have her say "you disrespect women". He did his best to distance himself from the conflict, but she wouldnt stop attacking him.


You know what hilarious (ooooh here we go)....this is similar to the Mixon situation.

You are more interested in his reaction to what she did. In both situations.
Yup I believe your opinions represent a misogynistic position on both arguments.
 

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[QUOTE="Bodha, post: 3509973, member: 8692

After Lavar told her he didnt want to talk to her, a professional wouldve said "OK" and waited till the segment was over. Let Lavar and Colin finish their conversation. Not turn it into a personal altercation that derails the show.[/QUOTE]


WHAT?!? Ahhhhhh Hahahahahahahaha! "[a] professional would've said 'OK' and waited till the segment was over." OMFG I am laughing so hard right now! I can't believe you have access to a computer but apparently not to a radio or tv to have never seen a talk show or interview! Omg, omg, I can't catch my breath!
 

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After Lavar told her he didnt want to talk to her, a professional wouldve said "OK" and waited till the segment was over. Let Lavar and Colin finish their conversation. Not turn it into a personal altercation that derails the show.

WHAT?!? Ahhhhhh Hahahahahahahaha! "[a] professional would've said 'OK' and waited till the segment was over." OMFG I am laughing so hard right now! I can't believe you have access to a computer but apparently not to a radio or tv to have never seen a talk show or interview! Omg, omg, I can't catch my breath!

Yeah, I'm laughing too. These people are sports journalists, right? Since when does ANY journalist say "Ok" when someone says they don't want to talk to you? If anything, that makes you want to grill them MORE!
 

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Can someone tell me what makes Ball a better prospect than Fox? I know Russ loves Ball because of UCLA, but are there any good non-biased reasons for Ball being better than Fox? After all, some people here have said that there is a "huge gap" between where Ball is on the prospect list and where Fox lands.
 

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Can someone tell me what makes Ball a better prospect than Fox? I know Russ loves Ball because of UCLA, but are there any good non-biased reasons for Ball being better than Fox? After all, some people here have said that there is a "huge gap" between where Ball is on the prospect list and where Fox lands.


He's a better passer, a better shooter, he's bigger, and he's got more room to improve because he played in such a crazy system in HS.

Fox is a better defender, quicker.

I like both players but the reason people like Lonzo is he's got amazing vision and passing ability and he can make NBA 3's.

Fox may end up being a great player if he improves his shot.

The reality is Fox and Smith were rated ahead of Lonzo all through HS. That Lonzo ended up rated ahead of them has nothing to do with hype and everything to do with how they played in college(and that Smith hurt his knee).

Lonzo's dad talks too much and apparently that's bothering people, I wish he wouldn't exert so much control on Lonzo I think its bad that he declined to work out for the Celtics. But I'm quite confident he'll be a very good pro player. And likely so will Fox.
 

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Can someone tell me what makes Ball a better prospect than Fox? I know Russ loves Ball because of UCLA, but are there any good non-biased reasons for Ball being better than Fox? After all, some people here have said that there is a "huge gap" between where Ball is on the prospect list and where Fox lands.

Ball is a superior passer, shooter, and has more size.

Fox is a better dribbler, is faster, and a better finisher at the rim.

I think it is easier to build a team around Ball's skill set than it is around Fox's. It is very apparent during fast breaks where Ball orchestrates the break while Fox leads the break. Thus you will need a strong secondary ball handler at the 2.

If you like watching Eric Bledsoe drive and dish to open shooters, that is going to be Fox.
 

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Can someone tell me what makes Ball a better prospect than Fox? I know Russ loves Ball because of UCLA, but are there any good non-biased reasons for Ball being better than Fox? After all, some people here have said that there is a "huge gap" between where Ball is on the prospect list and where Fox lands.
Ball is supposed to be the best playmaker in the draft since John Wall in 2011 so that's a span of over 6 years.

He's also got great size, decent athleticism and good shooting numbers albeit he has a very unnatural shooting form.

In terms of being better than Fox...size, playmaking, shooting.
 

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