Look at this list of QBs. Then tell me...

[HeavyB3]

Except in my analysis, Lindley would be the guy that lacks skills to do the job at all and I would never put my neck on the line to tell my boss this guy could get it done. I would have gone with a Vet that has seen enough systems that he could of at least run a basic offense. IMO, Lindley couldn't even do that.

See, I just don't know that a vet who doesn't know the language of the offense and hasn't played in 4 months, a year, 5 years (if we want to throw in the silly Warner talk) could have done anything differently than Lindley. The results likely would have been the same.

 

[kerouac9]

See, I just don't know that a vet who doesn't know the language of the offense and hasn't played in 4 months, a year, 5 years (if we want to throw in the silly Warner talk) could have done anything differently than Lindley. The results likely would have been the same.

I refuse to believe this. Lindley just didn't have the mechanical and physical skill to complete passes to open players. No mastery of the offense is or was going to be able to overcome that.

 

[Covert Rain]

See, I just don't know that a vet who doesn't know the language of the offense and hasn't played in 4 months, a year, 5 years (if we want to throw in the silly Warner talk) could have done anything differently than Lindley. The results likely would have been the same.

I refuse to believe this. Lindley just didn't have the mechanical and physical skill to complete passes to open players. No mastery of the offense is or was going to be able to overcome that.

This. IMO, yes...there is LANGUAGE and different plays that are called different things from team to team but it's not rocket science. Many QB's wear the plays on the wrist now just to keep the language straight even though they have been on the team since camp.

The problem isn't the complexity of the offense. It's Lindley. He doesn't have the skills needed to play at this level for whatever reason. Give me a guy with something....anything left in the tank.....any skills whatsoever....I bet they could have run the basics of this offense. Yes, it's completely unrealistic to think anybody could pick up the entire offense. Simply not going to happen but all we needed is enough offense to give us a chance.

 

[Azlen]

Lindley has as many career playoff TD's as Andy Dalton.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Lindley has as many career playoff TD's as Andy Dalton.

Ouch

 

[New Username]

Lindley won a game 2 years ago--and it had nothing to do with him. He hadn't thrown and NFL tad until last week.

I just don't get the logic of limiting the field to only playoff teams and saying, "see! No one could win with these bums. Part of the reason those 11 other teams are in the playoffs is because their franchise QB is injured.

Even with a healthy Palmer, we'd arguably have had the worst QB among the playoff teams.

Not sure how you figure that. Palmer ended the year as the #8 QB in rating for qualified QB's. One of the seven above him didn't make the playoffs (Brees) and 4 others were in the AFC. So that leaves Romo and Rodgers on teams in the playoffs.

 

[Darkside]

Make no mistake, if we had Palmer we would go deep in the playoffs, even with our other injuries.

Palmer is our only chance until we get a QBOTF.

 

[kerouac9]

Not sure how you figure that. Palmer ended the year as the #8 QB in rating for qualified QB's. One of the seven above him didn't make the playoffs (Brees) and 4 others were in the AFC. So that leaves Romo and Rodgers on teams in the playoffs.

Because I don't think that Palmer would've been able to keep up the semi-blistering pace that he'd been keeping in the first part of the season. He threw 2 INTs against 3 TDs in his last two starts, and I expect that we'd be seeing more of that.

FWIW, I think that we can all agree that Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Luck and Romo are all superior QBs today to Carson Palmer. That means that you're arguing whether Palmer is better than Cam Newton (I don't think so), Matt Stafford (same) or Andy Dalton.

I think that Dalton's the closest argument.

 

[Hollywood]

Because I don't think that Palmer would've been able to keep up the semi-blistering pace that he'd been keeping in the first part of the season. He threw 2 INTs against 3 TDs in his last two starts, and I expect that we'd be seeing more of that.

FWIW, I think that we can all agree that Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Luck and Romo are all superior QBs today to Carson Palmer. That means that you're arguing whether Palmer is better than Cam Newton (I don't think so), Matt Stafford (same) or Andy Dalton.

I think that Dalton's the closest argument.

I dont think romo is better than Palmer.

 

[kerouac9]

I dont think romo is better than Palmer.

Then you don't know very much about football, I guess. Romo finished 2014 14th in passing yards, 1st in YPA, 4th in TDs, 1st in passer rating, 1st in completion percentage (69.9%), 1st in Total QBR, 2nd in DVOA, 5th in DYAR.

:Shrug:

 

[New Username]

Because I don't think that Palmer would've been able to keep up the semi-blistering pace that he'd been keeping in the first part of the season. He threw 2 INTs against 3 TDs in his last two starts, and I expect that we'd be seeing more of that.

FWIW, I think that we can all agree that Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Luck and Romo are all superior QBs today to Carson Palmer. That means that you're arguing whether Palmer is better than Cam Newton (I don't think so), Matt Stafford (same) or Andy Dalton.

I think that Dalton's the closest argument.

"Thinking" something will happen doesn't make it so. Fact is, the last 16 games CP played for AZ would put him in the top 3 in the league. But you "think" that is going to change all of a sudden? Nice analysis. Please forgive me if I stick with the stats. I'll save the horse **** for my lawn.

BTW, speaking of horse **** rapistburger, stafford, newton and Dalton all stunk it up in their playoff games.

 

[Hollywood]

Then you don't know very much about football, I guess. Romo finished 2014 14th in passing yards, 1st in YPA, 4th in TDs, 1st in passer rating, 1st in completion percentage (69.9%), 1st in Total QBR, 2nd in DVOA, 5th in DYAR.

:Shrug:

Easier to do when you have a rock solid line with a rock solid running back. But you are just too small minded to accept that.

 

[kerouac9]

"Thinking" something will happen doesn't make it so. Fact is, the last 16 games CP played for AZ would put him in the top 3 in the league. But you "think" that is going to change all of a sudden? Nice analysis. Please forgive me if I stick with the stats. I'll save the horse **** for my lawn.

BTW, speaking of horse **** rapistburger, stafford, newton and Dalton all stunk it up in their playoff games.

Regression to the mean is something that happens. If you think that Carson Palmer was suddenly going to set a new pinnacle of his production for all those games, that's your deal. But the facts are what they are.

Your cursing is pretty compelling evidence, though. I guess.

Easier to do when you have a rock solid line with a rock solid running back. But you are just too small minded to accept that.

I guess. The Cards had a pretty rock solid line. They had a pretty good running back last year.

 

[Covert Rain]

Then you don't know very much about football, I guess. Romo finished 2014 14th in passing yards, 1st in YPA, 4th in TDs, 1st in passer rating, 1st in completion percentage (69.9%), 1st in Total QBR, 2nd in DVOA, 5th in DYAR.

:Shrug:

Huh? I think you have a short memory about Romo. He has choked time and time again when it's all on him. You can thank having the best running back in the NFL in DeMarco Murray for Romo's elevated play.

Romo had 100+ more pass attempts int he same number of starts last year and over 200+ more attempts overall by this time. Which is proof positive that when you have to rely just on this guy he is an 8-8 QB. When you don't have to rely on him and throw the best RB in the league there...it completely changes everything.

If you think for one second having the NFL's best running back take enormous pressure off of Romo isn't the major catalyst, you are kidding yourself. Not to mention the improved line.

If you drop Romo on our team? He is not the same player. Does that not mean Romo gets any credit? Not what I am saying. You still have to have skill at the position. However, it's much easier to be efficient when the offense isn't totally depending on you. Overall his numbers were 34 touchdowns, 10 turnovers. How is that dramatically different from 2011 when his numbers were 31 touchdowns and 10 turnovers? He wasn't be called great that year?!?!?

 

[kerouac9]

Does Carson Palmer have a long and distinguished history of elevating his teammates and coming up in the clutch?

Huh. Must've missed that part of his career.

Of course, Romo was playing excellent football last year with a historically terrible defense, but that probably didn't contribute anything to their 8-8 record.

 

[Covert Rain]

Does Carson Palmer have a long and distinguished history of elevating his teammates and coming up in the clutch?

Huh. Must've missed that part of his career.

Of course, Romo was playing excellent football last year with a historically terrible defense, but that probably didn't contribute anything to their 8-8 record.

Ding ding ding. The Dallas defense wasn't forcing teams into long drives. Romo was on the field more and slinging more passes last year. The more you depend on him the worse it is for Dallas. You take pressure off him, make other teams work harder to score, have a running game (the best RB) and it takes a huge load off Romo.

Dallas time of possession was towards the bottom of the NFL last year. This year its #2. They didn't get that way by leaning more on Romo. that did that by leaning less on him.

 

[kerouac9]

Ding ding ding. The Dallas defense wasn't forcing teams into long drives. Romo was on the field more and slinging more passes last year. The more you depend on him the worse it is for Dallas. You take pressure off him, make other teams work harder to score, have a running game (the best RB) and it takes a huge load off Romo.

Dallas time of possession was towards the bottom of the NFL last year. This year its #2. They didn't get that way by leaning more on Romo. that did that by leaning less on him.

It's the same with Carson Palmer. Ellington was supposed to be the focus of the offense, and last season Palmer was at his best when he had to do the least.

 

[Covert Rain]

It's the same with Carson Palmer. Ellington was supposed to be the focus of the offense, and last season Palmer was at his best when he had to do the least.

I am not claiming Palmer was the bees knees either. However, give us the Dallas line and DeMarco Murray and see what happens.

 

[kerouac9]

I am not claiming Palmer was the bees knees either. However, give us the Dallas line and DeMarco Murray and see what happens.

I'd rather have Tony Romo right now than Carson Palmer. The Cardinals offensive line (4.6% adjusted sack rate) was a better pass-blocking line than Dallas's (6.3%).

 

[HeavyB3]

I'm just now sure how you could make the argument that Palmer is better than Romo. It doesn't mean Palmer sucks to say Romo is better, either. Palmer got a ton of junk time stats when he played for the Raiders and never really lit it up offensively while he's been here. He's the greatest QB we've had since Warner, but that's not saying much.

If all things are equal, I think you win more games with Romo than Palmer. I don't know why we get so contentious about it though, it's like someone is saying "Palmer sucks and Romo is god" when they are not.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm just now sure how you could make the argument that Palmer is better than Romo. It doesn't mean Palmer sucks to say Romo is better, either. Palmer got a ton of junk time stats when he played for the Raiders and never really lit it up offensively while he's been here. He's the greatest QB we've had since Warner, but that's not saying much.

If all things are equal, I think you win more games with Romo than Palmer. I don't know why we get so contentious about it though, it's like someone is saying "Palmer sucks and Romo is god" when they are not.

+1. It is almost a silly comparison.... and this comes from someone who hates just about all things Dallas.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm just now sure how you could make the argument that Palmer is better than Romo. It doesn't mean Palmer sucks to say Romo is better, either. Palmer got a ton of junk time stats when he played for the Raiders and never really lit it up offensively while he's been here. He's the greatest QB we've had since Warner, but that's not saying much.

If all things are equal, I think you win more games with Romo than Palmer. I don't know why we get so contentious about it though, it's like someone is saying "Palmer sucks and Romo is god" when they are not.

This is where I was going. Romo didn't all of the sudden become a great QB. I don't think either guy is light years better than the other. I think Romo looks better because he has a TON more help and is throwing less. He definitely has alot more help than Palmer. I don't believe their numbers would be much different if you put Palmer on Dallas and I don't think Romo would look much better here.

The team figured out, if you give him help and have him throw less, it equals more wins.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Then you don't know very much about football, I guess. Romo finished 2014 14th in passing yards, 1st in YPA, 4th in TDs, 1st in passer rating, 1st in completion percentage (69.9%), 1st in Total QBR, 2nd in DVOA, 5th in DYAR.

:Shrug:

Sure does help when you have the best o-line in the NFL and a RB who led the entire league and set a franchise record in yards...

FWIW, I would take Palmer over Dalton and Newton... And, if you give Palmer the o-line and running game that currently supports Romo, I would take Palmer over Romo as well.

 

[Hollywood]

I'm just now sure how you could make the argument that Palmer is better than Romo. It doesn't mean Palmer sucks to say Romo is better, either. Palmer got a ton of junk time stats when he played for the Raiders and never really lit it up offensively while he's been here. He's the greatest QB we've had since Warner, but that's not saying much.

If all things are equal, I think you win more games with Romo than Palmer. I don't know why we get so contentious about it though, it's like someone is saying "Palmer sucks and Romo is god" when they are not.

I dont think either is a GREAT qb but they are both very GOOD. In fact, I think that all things considered they are almost even. I personally believe that in things that I think are VERY important traits for a qb Palmer comes out in front. Namely, he doesnt get phased by mistakes or bad play. Plus, I think he is smarter than romo.

 

[Cardiac]

It kills me that many posters said their were better options then Lindley and really only K9 listed an option, the decaying corpse that is mr slow wind up and release Byron Leftwhich.

Tebow HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

In a league that is STARVED for starting QB's he can't make a practice squad.

Wasn't it Grossman who said no the to Browns when Manzel hurt his hammy at the end of this season?

Maybe we could bash BA on having an offense so complex that it takes close to a year for all the players to get on the same page for basically average results.

Raise your hand if you think the Cards were going to advance in the playoffs even with Stanton back..........he may have been enough to get past the Panthers but the roll would have stopped after that.

Didn't Lindley put up some pretty good numbers against the 9ers?

This season was such a kick in the junk at the end because everything was lining up for a very special season but once Palmer went down for the rest of the year it was doomed.