Looking Back At Last Year's Draft

[NJCardFan]

We traded up from 15 to 10 for Rosen and now there's a chance we trade Rosen or not and draft Murray at #1 this year. My question is, would you guys have been happy if we stayed put at 15 and took Lamar Jackson or even traded back and still got him(Baltimore traded back into the first round at 32 and got Jackson)? I know hindsight is what it is but some here wanted Jackson and he is a similar style QB as Murray and Jackson did have a decent year, not great but decent. But would we be having this Murray conversation had we taken Jackson and the year still went into the toilet? There is no right or wrong answer here, just food for discussion.

 

[slanidrac16]

Yes we would be talking about Murray because Jackson would have failed last year too.

 

[TJ]

Yes, because this was promoted by Kliff’s OU comments.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I would not, since I think Murray is a small guy but a pocket passer who can run while Jackson is nowhere close to the passer Murray is and has shown to run more often than not

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

The draft to be skeptical and angry about was the year before. The Reddick pick had everyone with common sense concerned. And we all know which QB was in play. He lives in Kansas City now

 

[cardsfanmd]

We traded up from 15 to 10 for Rosen and now there's a chance we trade Rosen or not and draft Murray at #1 this year. My question is, would you guys have been happy if we stayed put at 15 and took Lamar Jackson or even traded back and still got him(Baltimore traded back into the first round at 32 and got Jackson)? I know hindsight is what it is but some here wanted Jackson and he is a similar style QB as Murray and Jackson did have a decent year, not great but decent. But would we be having this Murray conversation had we taken Jackson and the year still went into the toilet? There is no right or wrong answer here, just food for discussion.

It’s beyond disrespectful to lump Jackson in with Murray. That’s all that really needs to be said, imo.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The draft to be skeptical and angry about was the year before. The Reddick pick had everyone with common sense concerned. And we all know which QB was in play. He lives in Kansas City now

I got flamed soooo hard on here for immediately flipping out about that pick lol.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

It’s beyond disrespectful to lump Jackson in with Murray. That’s all that really needs to be said, imo.

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I think the question is good, Jackson was the other top QB available, if we didn't give up the 3 and 5 to move up and the team played as poorly as it did with Rosen (I think that is a safe assumption). Would we be reacting the same and wanting Murray?

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I got flamed soooo hard on here for immediately flipping out about that pick lol.

But he was a walk-on at Temple who hurt his leg in his senior year in High School. I knew some buffoon would fall for the hype, but never imagined it would be the Cardinals. Maybe the worst pick in Cardinals history in the fact that Reddick had a zero percent chance of ever being good. Wendell Bryant was derailed by drugs and others by injuries. Levi Brown had a good two years and helped get the Cards to a Super Bowl. But the Reddick pick was an obvious disaster from day one

 

[dscher]

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I think the question is good, Jackson was the other top QB available, if we didn't give up the 3 and 5 to move up and the team played as poorly as it did with Rosen (I think that is a safe assumption). Would we be reacting the same and wanting Murray?

I think based on his true abilities as a dual threat the comparison isn't fair.. if Jackson came out of college throwing the way Murray could I think he would have been a top 5 pick last year. Imo

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I think based on his true abilities as a dual threat the comparison isn't fair.. if Jackson came out of college throwing the way Murray could I think he would have been a top 5 pick last year. Imo

Yeah, that I get, I was ignoring NJs dual threat comparison subconsciously

I do like the remaining question - if we didn't trade up and just took Jackson last year, would there still be this intense Murray conversation?

 

[dscher]

Yeah, that I get, I was ignoring NJs dual threat comparison subconsciously

I do like the remaining question - if we didn't trade up and just took Jackson last year, would there still be this intense Murray conversation?

Good question.. whether some like it or not, the KK/Murray relationship would probably make it one. Hypothetical of course.. but just my opinion. But if Jackson went and played lights out.. who knows!?

 

[cardsfanmd]

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I think the question is good, Jackson was the other top QB available, if we didn't give up the 3 and 5 to move up and the team played as poorly as it did with Rosen (I think that is a safe assumption). Would we be reacting the same

I think based on his true abilities as a dual threat the comparison isn't fair.. if Jackson came out of college throwing the way Murray could I think he would have been a top 5 pick last year. Imo

Not to mention that only one of them is more intelligent than my dog....

 

[dscher]

Not to mention that only one of them is more intelligent than my dog....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But he was a walk-on at Temple who hurt his leg in his senior year in High School. I knew some buffoon would fall for the hype, but never imagined it would be the Cardinals. Maybe the worst pick in Cardinals history in the fact that Reddick had a zero percent chance of ever being good. Wendell Bryant was derailed by drugs and others by injuries. Levi Brown had a good two years and helped get the Cards to a Super Bowl. But the Reddick pick was an obvious disaster from day one

You don’t know a lot about cardinals history if that’s what you think.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think based on his true abilities as a dual threat the comparison isn't fair.. if Jackson came out of college throwing the way Murray could I think he would have been a top 5 pick last year. Imo

Easily

 

[NJCardFan]

The biggest question about Murray is if he's really that good. He only had one season as a starter. Yes he put up insane numbers but there are tons of college QB's who put up insane numbers in college who flopped horribly in the NFL. David Klingler for one. Vince Young another. Jackson started pretty much 3 years at Louisville and his numbers are pretty consistent. We shall see but I don't think we would have been upset had we taken Jackson last year. However, we did trade up and draft Rosen and there are many here who can't wait to get rid of him.

 

[Cardinal]

The biggest question about Murray is if he's really that good. He only had one season as a starter. Yes he put up insane numbers but there are tons of college QB's who put up insane numbers in college who flopped horribly in the NFL. David Klingler for one. Vince Young another. Jackson started pretty much 3 years at Louisville and his numbers are pretty consistent. We shall see but I don't think we would have been upset had we taken Jackson last year. However, we did trade up and draft Rosen and there are many here who can't wait to get rid of him.

Don’t forget about the possibility of Jackson ending up like Vince Young too. Vince Young’s rookie season was better than LJ’s

The Ravens did a good job masking LJ’s deficiencies last year. However, the Chargers in the playoffs might’ve provided a good blueprint for limiting Jackson’s effectiveness.

 

[Finito]

We traded up from 15 to 10 for Rosen and now there's a chance we trade Rosen or not and draft Murray at #1 this year. My question is, would you guys have been happy if we stayed put at 15 and took Lamar Jackson or even traded back and still got him(Baltimore traded back into the first round at 32 and got Jackson)? I know hindsight is what it is but some here wanted Jackson and he is a similar style QB as Murray and Jackson did have a decent year, not great but decent. But would we be having this Murray conversation had we taken Jackson and the year still went into the toilet? There is no right or wrong answer here, just food for discussion.

Only thing Murray and Jackson have in common is there both black lol. Two very different players.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Not to mention that only one of them is more intelligent than my dog....

Which one are you saying is less intelligent than your dog?

 

[BW52]

Not to mention that only one of them is more intelligent than my dog....

So Murray is a *******?

 

[BW52]

Don’t forget about the possibility of Jackson ending up like Vince Young too. Vince Young’s rookie season was better than LJ’s

The Ravens did a good job masking LJ’s deficiencies last year. However, the Chargers in the playoffs might’ve provided a good blueprint for limiting Jackson’s effectiveness.

Don`t forget the possibility of Murray ending up like Vince Young or Andre Ware.

 

[NJCardFan]

Which one are you saying is less intelligent than your dog?

I believe he is referring to Jackson scoring low on the wonderlic.

 

[BW52]

I believe he is referring to Jackson scoring low on the wonderlic.

I knew what he was saying and I was being PC and not telling him what I think of that insinuation.Its cool.Jackson is a quiet reserved young man who is very respectful and was raised that way by his mother.One test is not the end-all or a true measure.After watching Jackson for 3 years at Louisville and seeing how well mannered and respectfully he treated fans and media the assumption that LJ is dumb is ignorant.Soft-spoken and quiet fits him more than being less intelligent.

 

[Finito]

Don`t forget the possibility of Murray ending up like Vince Young or Andre Ware.

Or any other black QB because that’s all we can compare black QBs to other black QBs right.