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[spanky1]

The smaller "touch football" type player did OK last year. And I'm not too sure that I agree with the premise that we are too small.

a) Okeafor (6'4"/265): Perhaps a tad on the light side, but that is what you get in a pass rushing DE. Berry at 6'3"/275, is fine. Both are bigger than Dwight Feeney for example.

b) R. Davis at 6'4"/305 and Darnell Dockett at 6'4"/295 are not too undersized. Look at Corey Simon 6'2"/300

c) Dansby at 6'4"/245; Darling/Hayes at 6'1"/245 and Huff at 6'3"/240 are not small as far as LB's go....actually they are bigger than the norm.

d) Antrel Rolle at 6'0"/205 is actually big for a CB

e) Adrian Wilson at 6'3"/230 is big for a SS. Griffith at 6'2"/220 is big for a FS.

 

[kerouac9]

The smaller "touch football" type player did OK last year. And I'm not too sure that I agree with the premise that we are too small.

The Cards are obviously patterning their defense on the old Tampa Bay/current Colts model. The problem with those Ds is that you could always run straight at them and get yards. But once the offense gets untracked, I think that this defense will be able to make the plays that ice games.

They're just not going to be able to win a lot of 9-7 games, and really won't be able to stop offenses with big runners once the team goes down by 14 or more.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The current Eagles defense is another example of an attacking agressive defense which like the Cards is vulnerable to the run especially in the second half. People are begging for the old school Steelers style hard-nosed defense but the reality of the situation is our personnel simply does not fit that type of scheme nor should it in the division we play in. Like Kerouac, I think improving our offense is going to go a long way in making the defense look significantly better.

 

[joeshmo]

The current Eagles defense is another example of an attacking agressive defense which like the Cards is vulnerable to the run especially in the second half. People are begging for the old school Steelers style hard-nosed defense but the reality of the situation is our personnel simply does not fit that type of scheme nor should it in the division we play in. Like Kerouac, I think improving our offense is going to go a long way in making the defense look significantly better.

I like the D scheme the way it is. But the problem lies in the players executing it. They need to be a lot more disciplined in controling their gaps and not being to aggresive overrunning plays. That was our biggest problem last year and it is still a problem today. They can be aggresive but being way to aggresive can be a problem, its a very fine line and maybe that will come with time, especially with the D being so young.

 

[kerouac9]

I like the D scheme the way it is. But the problem lies in the players executing it. They need to be a lot more disciplined in controling their gaps and not being to aggresive overrunning plays. That was our biggest problem last year and it is still a problem today. They can be aggresive but being way to aggresive can be a problem, its a very fine line and maybe that will come with time, especially with the D being so young.

Young guys. Young guys. On the big screen to Tiki last week, I saw Dansby shoot the gap, and I was like, "Screen! SCREEN!" You knew it was coming as soon as the entire left side of the line let him go. He'll learn.

 

[clif]

Young guys. Young guys. On the big screen to Tiki last week, I saw Dansby shoot the gap, and I was like, "Screen! SCREEN!" You knew it was coming as soon as the entire left side of the line let him go. He'll learn.

That was also after Darling went out and Johnson was in there. We were way too aggressive at that point. I think that happened in the same series where Dansby blew through the line and met the back one on one.

 

[seesred]

Mac was a good player for us for many years. Every year they would try and replace him and couldn't. I would have liked Green to keep him this year and as it turned out we sure could use him now. KVB was hurt for two years. But his first few games he showed some real talent. Kenny King is a lot like KVB never has played mat be A GOOD PLAYER NEVER MISSED.

Our team wiull be fine in the long run. We have rooks starting at important spots and depth in many of those spots not very good. It's time for Green to line up on the right corner spot. Machlin who has played great for his size can play niuckle while Green plays corner for hight and speed. Boys and girls what is past is gone. What is here is our hand. Warner played reasonably well for the time he got. The right side of the line was like an open dam. I don't care what your running backs name is if that is going to be our O -line for the next 15 weeks.

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[spanky1]

Mac was a good player for us for many years. Every year they would try and replace him and couldn't. I would have liked Green to keep him this year and as it turned out we sure could use him now. KVB was hurt for two years. But his first few games he showed some real talent. Kenny King is a lot like KVB never has played mat be A GOOD PLAYER NEVER MISSED.

Our team wiull be fine in the long run. We have rooks starting at important spots and depth in many of those spots not very good. It's time for Green to line up on the right corner spot. Machlin who has played great for his size can play niuckle while Green plays corner for hight and speed. Boys and girls what is past is gone. What is here is our hand. Warner played reasonably well for the time he got. The right side of the line was like an open dam. I don't care what your running backs name is if that is going to be our O -line for the next 15 weeks.

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The funny thing is both Macklin and Green are about the same size: Macklin is 5'10"/200 and Green is 5'11"/190. Green is the faster of the two, Macklin is the better tackler of the two (at least at this point in time). Green cannot be played as a regular too early....he still is learning. It would be suicidal to have two rookies playing as starters at CB

 

[Wild Card]

My biggest concern is that (for reasons either of necessity or philosophy) Dennis and Rod have decided to go to war with "touch football guys" (i.e. fast, smaller, athletic playmakers) who unfortunately didn't match up real well with "tackle football guys" (i.e. big uglies).

Jeff:

Great observation. I remember a coach telling me once that, in the fourth quarter, "fast guys aren't so fast any more, but big guys are still big."

WC

 

[WisconsinCard]

Hey, I have no problem with fans liking players because they're good. That's the reason that I expect Cards fans love Boldin, Dockett, and Dansby. They make plays, they change games.

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This shocks me that you said Boldin can "change a game". All the posts I've seen from you said we were over stating his ability and that he wasn't that good. It seems as though you just say thing to get peoples reactions and that you really dont believe all that you are saying. Credibility man...lost!!!

 

[kerouac9]

This shocks me that you said Boldin can "change a game". All the posts I've seen from you said we were over stating his ability and that he wasn't that good. It seems as though you just say thing to get peoples reactions and that you really dont believe all that you are saying. Credibility man...lost!!!

Boldin goes in the "makes plays" category. Do I think he makes enough of them? Do I think he's made enough of them lately? No. Did he change games as a rookie? Yeah. Did he change games last year? No--at least, not that I remember. I still have a challenge out there for anyone to find Anquan's last big YAC run--or even one from last season.

But I don't think there's any question that he was a leader as a rookie, and he gave the whole team a boost when he returned last season. I just don't think that he's as good as many on this board insist. Just because I don't think that he's a Top 10 WR doesn't mean I think the guy isn't better than Bobby Engram.

And this is what I've said all along.

 

[40yearfan]

Easy to explain. KVB's jersey was one of 4 given away by the Cardinals to 1000's of season ticket holders. None of the other 3 guys were still on the team last year. So thousands of Lassiter,Plummer,and Boston jerseys went to the carwash while KVB's still went to Cardinal Games.

I'd forgotten about that. I had asked for a Boston jersey and they sent me a KVB jersey instead. I guess they were out of Boston. As it turns out, I at least got one more year of use out of the KVB than I would have out of the Boston jersey, so maybe someone in the Cards front office knew what they were doing.

 

[JeffGollin]

In response to the rebuttal - that our guys aren't really that "small."
Your point about certain players not being all that small has some validity. And I don't disagree that we have a lot of talent on defense.

What I am saying is that what we put on the field Sunday did not match up physically with their counterparts on the Giants.

I don't believe this was due either to lack of size alone or lack of toughness alone, but the combination of both. (i.e. no one will question Kolodziej's toughess, but his size does put him at a disadvantage. Davis certainly isn't "tiny" at 303, but he will occasionally get turned around and stood up by bigger more physical offensive linemen).

What I'm hoping is that our problem was with a particularly unfavorable physical matchup problem that was unique between the Cards and the Giants. But my worry is that opposing teams will try to exploit a similar mismatch until we prove we can stop it. (First test may come Sunday with Steve Jackson playing the part of Brandon Jacobs).

 

[jstadvl]

How did we do

avg. wise, against Jackson last year? Shut up K -whine, I don't want to read your "poor little rich boy's", I know more than everyone, response.
Anybody, other than her, got the stats? When we won at home, how did Jackson do?
Because basically we're the same D, if not better. I think the "TUDE" has to be brought to the table.

 

[Duckjake]

avg. wise, against Jackson last year? Shut up K -whine, I don't want to read your "poor little rich boy's", I know more than everyone, response.
Anybody, other than her, got the stats? When we won at home, how did Jackson do?
Because basically we're the same D, if not better. I think the "TUDE" has to be brought to the table.

Jackson didn't play. Faulk did NOTHING. It was a great game to me because the Cards finally dominated a team that was playing without two key guys, Bulger and Jackson. Far too many times in the past a backup QB or RB tore us up. Not that Sunday.

 

[BigDavis75]

This shocks me that you said Boldin can "change a game". All the posts I've seen from you said we were over stating his ability and that he wasn't that good. It seems as though you just say thing to get peoples reactions and that you really dont believe all that you are saying. Credibility man...lost!!!

I was saying Boldin isn't as good as this board makes him out to be, on Sunday it became pretty apparent.

 

[Rats]

I was saying Boldin isn't as good as this board makes him out to be, on Sunday it became pretty apparent.

I am suprised that this thread is still going after two days being banned but Boldin is a good example of what this thread started out to say. Over rated or not...Q brings an inate toughness when he steps between the lines. Several wanted to make this thread about pining for the old players but it was intended to point out that there is more to football than just talent or just attitude. You have to have both and I was concerned during the game Sunday that the Defense might be believing there press. I would say with a surety that will not be the case after the drubbing they got. Not just the defense but the entire set. St. Louis will be a tough test for the D especially if DD is not at full strength and with Darling out. They will have to play with more heart than they did in NY and try and take a que from Dansby and make some game changing plays. I still can't believe I was banned for this thread. It was legit to ask the question Do we have the heart of some of the old "attitude guys"? Some just wanted to make it into something that was foolish and about the old regime. But whatever....I thought there was a 24hr venting period. Guess not.

 

[BigDavis75]

I am suprised that this thread is still going after two days being banned but Boldin is a good example of what this thread started out to say. Over rated or not...Q brings an inate toughness when he steps between the lines. Several wanted to make this thread about pining for the old players but it was intended to point out that there is more to football than just talent or just attitude. You have to have both and I was concerned during the game Sunday that the Defense might be believing there press. I would say with a surety that will not be the case after the drubbing they got. Not just the defense but the entire set. St. Louis will be a tough test for the D especially if DD is not at full strength and with Darling out. They will have to play with more heart than they did in NY and try and take a que from Dansby and make some game changing plays. I still can't believe I was banned for this thread. It was legit to ask the question Do we have the heart of some of the old "attitude guys"? Some just wanted to make it into something that was foolish and about the old regime. But whatever....I thought there was a 24hr venting period. Guess not.

I understood what you were getting at, that's why I didn't chastize you, you were saying we need guys with the leadership and toughness (I guess would be applicable) on D. That is why I'm so glad we got Chike instead of Burgess or Hayward. We need that toughness in our LBs. That being said if we start winning the toughness will become inherint, seeing as how young our D is and that many of them have not mentally adjusted to the NFL nor have shown the necessary toughness you were talking about.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I was saying Boldin isn't as good as this board makes him out to be, on Sunday it became pretty apparent.

Big: I don't know how you became part of the quote i was referencing. But if you think that one game indicates anything "apparent". Well then I guess we will just have to watch and see. He has still been to more pro bowls then any other reciever we have on our team. I guess if Q has a better game Fitz this week it will be "pretty apparent" whose better???? What a joke.

P.S. Whats funny to me is the we have all made Q out to be larger then life. Its a joke man...I dont think anyone on this board believe sthat Q is the best receiver ever.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I agree that the Warner pick killed the Cards but there is no excuse to allow Barber to run right through our D and score in 1 play...there is plenty of blame all around for this one..the team flat out quit after the Kick return for a TD...

I agree.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Plus he was injured alot