Looks like its Tim Floyd

[TJ]

Report: Floyd to take Arizona job


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4035206

 

[PoolBoy]

lol, i'm sorry, but this is hilarious. so much for all those big names we were hearing about.

 

[splitsecond]

The university is not getting a single dime in support from me until they fire Livengood. This is a gigantic crock of ****.

 

[TJ]

Not a flattering name, but ESPN rated his incoming recruits as the best in the PAC 10....mostly, this game has become about bringing in the players. He has proven he can do that. Now he has to prove he can coach them

 

[splitsecond]

Not a flattering name, but ESPN rated his incoming recruits as the best in the PAC 10....mostly, this game has become about bringing in the players. He has proven he can do that. Now he has to prove he can coach them

His class was best essentially because UA had no recruiting presence this year, and because no matter how you chop it, USC is a great school for an athlete. i don't think it has much to do with his recruiting skills, and definitely does not have anything to do with his coaching ability.

I honestly think that we should not be trying to find the upside to this. We need to be finding Livengood's head on a stick.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Not a flattering name, but ESPN rated his incoming recruits as the best in the PAC 10....mostly, this game has become about bringing in the players. He has proven he can do that. Now he has to prove he can coach them

Sidney's not going to school and he only got Sol Hill because Lute retired. He only got Derozan because of Master P and Mayo because of Reggie Bush. I won't even get into Taj Gibson and Davon Jefferson.

Arizona will be recruiting in mid-level of Pac-10 teams like ASU and Oregon soon enough.

 

[splitsecond]

I really hope people are lighting up Livengood's and Shelton's email and phones all day tomorrow. I know I have already sent my piece in.

 

[Hazzard29]

I was hoping this was an April Fool's joke... guess not. What's the over/under for how long before UofA is investigated for recruiting violations under Floyd?

This sucks... Livengood should have done alot better than Floyd. On the bright side, I suppose a Tim Floyd hiring is better than a John Mackovic hiring. At least he's improving, ugh.

 

[splitsecond]

I was hoping this was an April Fool's joke... guess not. What's the over/under for how long before UofA is investigated for recruiting violations under Floyd?

This sucks... Livengood should have done alot better than Floyd. On the bright side, I suppose a Tim Floyd hiring is better than a John Mackovic hiring. At least he's improving, ugh.

Is it really though? It looks like the basketball equivalent to me. About the same level of short term achievement as Mack, with no real proven system.

 

[Gaddabout]

This has to be an April Fool's Joke written by an ASU fan. Really. Seriously?

You wouldn't take Randy Bennett over Tim Floyd? I know he was way down the list, but Floyd? Sheesh. That's one step from ... I dunno ... Kelvin Sampson. Henry Freakin' Bibby.

He probably won't do anything that warrants penalties, but I'd be willing to bet the NCAA sets up a permanent investigative office in Tucson while he's there.

But I disagree with you, Mao, on his recruiting. Floyd is plugged in now and UA is a much more appealing place than USC for basketball recruits. He'll bang SoCal and Texas now rather than just SoCal. Just ... dang. I never would've wished this on UA.

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW there's a report on BRO this morning that Floyd left UA without a deal and is currently talkign with USC about stayign. I don't know if it's true or not but that's the rumor they couldn't reach a deal with Arizona.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I was hoping this was an April Fool's joke... guess not. What's the over/under for how long before UofA is investigated for recruiting violations under Floyd?

This sucks... Livengood should have done alot better than Floyd. On the bright side, I suppose a Tim Floyd hiring is better than a John Mackovic hiring. At least he's improving, ugh.

Yeah.... They didn't really think this one out there at UofA... At the very least the NCAA will be looking harder at UofA in the coming years as far as recruiting goes, and Floyd isn't exactly a straigt arrow as far as that goes...

This could get ugly... Overall as as ASU fan I could not be more happy... I really couldn't

 

[Gambo is a Turd]

FWIW there's a report on BRO this morning that Floyd left UA without a deal and is currently talkign with USC about stayign. I don't know if it's true or not but that's the rumor they couldn't reach a deal with Arizona.

The plot thickens. What if the Floyd deal falls through? Who would be next on UA's radar?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The plot thickens. What if the Floyd deal falls through? Who would be next on UA's radar?

Steve Lavin? Todd Bozeman? Is Bill Frieder's cancer in remission?

If Floyd says no, then I'm assuming Livengood will be taken off the search and fired within the next few months. After Floyd it gets pretty freaking bad. A lot of mid-major guys with no recruiting ties or has-beens. At that point you might as well stick Pastner in there and see what he could do.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This has to be an April Fool's Joke written by an ASU fan. Really. Seriously?

You wouldn't take Randy Bennett over Tim Floyd? I know he was way down the list, but Floyd? Sheesh. That's one step from ... I dunno ... Kelvin Sampson. Henry Freakin' Bibby.

Floyd's better than Bibby. Sampson would be a good comparison.

And I'm glad they didnn't go after Bennett, the thought of watching a bunch of mediocre Phoenix players and Australians get run off the court by Pac-10 athletes every year makes me sick.

He probably won't do anything that warrants penalties, but I'd be willing to bet the NCAA sets up a permanent investigative office in Tucson while he's there.

But I disagree with you, Mao, on his recruiting. Floyd is plugged in now and UA is a much more appealing place than USC for basketball recruits. He'll bang SoCal and Texas now rather than just SoCal. Just ... dang. I never would've wished this on UA.

As I said - if this is the end of Arizona Hoops we're going to go down in a blaze of glory. Renardo Sidney, package deals, AAU coaches, the whole nine yards. It will be more entertaining than slowly circling the drain with the same result.

 

[slinslin]

Over the last 3 years he always had one of the at least top3 recruits...

OJ Mayo, Demarr DeRozan and Renardo Sidney... not bad..

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

He probably won't do anything that warrants penalties, but I'd be willing to bet the NCAA sets up a permanent investigative office in Tucson while he's there.

I'd also like to add it's pretty comical when ASU fans discuss ethics in coaching considering who your football coach is. Trust me, we're all aware of Floyd's sleaziness.

 

[PoolBoy]

I'd also like to add it's pretty comical when ASU fans discuss ethics in coaching considering who your football coach is. Trust me, we're all aware of Floyd's sleaziness.

You can't seriously run your mouth right now. youve been pimping this next coach with your "inside sources" that UofA could easily get a coach to come to this rich history school that could afford to shell out big dough for a coach. Erickson has a national championship and clearly is a great recruiter, so I don't see that comparison. Floyd and Stoops would be better comparisons because they both bitch about everything.

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

You can't seriously run your mouth right now. youve been pimping this next coach with your "inside sources" that UofA could easily get a coach to come to this rich history school that could afford to shell out big dough for a coach. Erickson has a national championship and clearly is a great recruiter, so I don't see that comparison. Floyd and Stoops would be better comparisons because they both bitch about everything.

How exactly is Erickson a better recruiter or coach at this stage than Tim Floyd (Erickson 2009 class was fifth in the Pac-10, Floyd's was 2nd)? There's really no evidence to support that if you look at it by the numbers. He's going to average 7-9 wins a season at ASU until he retires which will be a similar winning percentage as Floyd. At this point they're both above average coaches and winners but not championship material.

And yes, Arizona is shelling out a lot if big dough. If they didn't they had no shot at Floyd and we'd be looking at Mark Fox or Lon Kruger or worse.

PS - I made the Stoops/Floyd hothead reference in another thread hours ago so get your own material.

 

[DWKB]

Over the last 3 years he always had one of the at least top3 recruits...

OJ Mayo, Demarr DeRozan and Renardo Sidney... not bad..

What did Floyd and USC do in the last three years? What's the perception of his recruitment of these players?

 

[PoolBoy]

hahaha comparing Erickson and Floyd is ridiculous. Getting potential pro players to go to USC in any sport is easy. Also, thinking Erickson will average 7 wins just shows ignorance. Look at on of ERICKSON'S recruits that played last year, Lawrence Guy was nasty, Freshman All American. That defense is going to be great next year. Vizonte Burfict coming in, and a deep D-line with Dexter Davis, Guy, Vazquez, and erickson's recruits of Otis Jones, Jamaar Jarrett, and others providing great depth taht we haven't had. Not to mention Rudy is gone. But fine by me, compare your sorry new coach to Erickson.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

How exactly is Erickson a better recruiter or coach at this stage than Tim Floyd (Erickson 2009 class was fifth in the Pac-10, Floyd's was 2nd)? There's really no evidence to support that if you look at it by the numbers. He's going to average 7-9 wins a season at ASU until he retires which will be a similar winning percentage as Floyd. At this point they're both above average coaches and winners but not championship material.

And yes, Arizona is shelling out a lot if big dough. If they didn't they had no shot at Floyd and we'd be looking at Mark Fox or Lon Kruger or worse.

PS - I made the Stoops/Floyd hothead reference in another thread hours ago so get your own material.

You keep trying to change the focus of this to ASU vs. U of A, which certainly isn't the discussion at this point. Both you and AZ Finest among many other Cats fans have been crowing about the big hire coming that was going to restore the glory in Tucson. Tim Freaking Floyd? Really? Capel was a name that legitimately scared me, Few was a nagging concern but Tim Floyd? At this point, why not just keep Pennell, the hero that led you to the Sweet 16?


You can sell Floyd or the idea of the hero on the white horse coming down the road, but I can guarantee you if I asked before the hiring process started, if you would be satisfied with Floyd, I think we all know what the answer would be.

This is reminiscent of when Notre Dame went out and put out feelers, to everyone from Urban Meyer to Petrino, who all said wonderful things about the school and program, but politely said ***. Hopefully Floyd comes into his press conference saying his offensive genius will be good for "10 to 15 more points per game" and the Zona Zoo can put together some "Return to Glory" shirts.

One could only hope that the hiring of Floyd would be a nice big piece of humble pie for Cats fans, but looks like it won't be until the sting of the decision wears off. Oh yeah, I forgot...Coach Cal and other coaches had lots of nice things to say about U of A...that more than makes up for it. Keep ripping on Herb and ASU basketball though, maybe U of A basketball should be comparing itself to ASU these days...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Getting potential pro players to go to USC in any sport is easy.

Then how come USC Basketball has pretty much always sucked? Even Gadd realizes it's easier to recruit to Arizona than USC in hoops.

Also, thinking Erickson will average 7 wins just shows ignorance. Look at on of ERICKSON'S recruits that played last year, Lawrence Guy was nasty, Freshman All American. That defense is going to be great next year. Vizonte Burfict coming in, and a deep D-line with Dexter Davis, Guy, Vazquez, and erickson's recruits of Otis Jones, Jamaar Jarrett, and others providing great depth taht we haven't had. Not to mention Rudy is gone. But fine by me, compare your sorry new coach to Erickson.

When ASU is able to play a QB, RB, or OL that is Pac-10 caliber either through development or recruiting then you can talk to me about the sleeping giant in Tempe. Your defense will be fine, the problem is you need to score to win more than eight or nine games and ASU still has way too many holes and/or youth offensively to be in championship contention. A freshman or Danny Sulliavn playing for the Rose Bowl, that's funny.

And again - if Floyd is "sorry" then what does that make one Heb Sendek?

 

[PoolBoy]

Then how come USC Basketball has pretty much always sucked? Even Gadd realizes it's easier to recruit to Arizona than USC in hoops.

When ASU is able to play a QB, RB, or OL that is Pac-10 caliber either through development or recruiting then you can talk to me about the sleeping giant in Tempe. Your defense will be fine, the problem is you need to score to win more than eight or nine games and ASU still has way too many holes and/or youth offensively to be in championship contention. A freshman or Danny Sulliavn playing for the Rose Bowl, that's funny.

And again - if Floyd is "sorry" then what does that make one Heb Sendek?

Last years OL was decimated by injury, and again, Erickson's recruits are now stepping in these positions. Zach Schlink started about 6 games into last season as a freshman and was doing great before blowing his knee out. OL will be much improved starting this year. RB will be handled by Ryan Bass, another Erickson recruit. QB will be a USC decommit Samson Szakacsy who is one of the fastest players on the team. Danny Sullivan will not start this year IMO.

Back to the topic at hand, you are comparing Floyd and Sendek now. Who would have thought when you were throwing names out like Pitino, Capel, and Calipari that you would be arguing the savior of UofA basketball with Herb Sendek, the coach of a much inferior ASU program. My how things have changed in just the last 2 days.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You keep trying to change the focus of this to ASU vs. U of A, which certainly isn't the discussion at this point. Both you and AZ Finest among many other Cats fans have been crowing about the big hire coming that was going to restore the glory in Tucson. Tim Freaking Floyd? Really? Capel was a name that legitimately scared me, Few was a nagging concern but Tim Floyd? At this point, why not just keep Pennell, the hero that led you to the Sweet 16?

You really need reading comprehension. Every Arizona fan including myself hates the Floyd hiring and want Jim Livengood run out of town on a rail because of it. All I'm saying is it makes no sense for you geniuses to crow about it as you still don't have as good a coach as us.

You can sell Floyd or the idea of the hero on the white horse coming down the road, but I can guarantee you if I asked before the hiring process started, if you would be satisfied with Floyd, I think we all know what the answer would be.

Again, reading comprehension. I never said Floyd was a good let alone acceptable hire. I just know his career accomplishments and realize that his hire won't plunge us to the depths of the Pac-10 like you guys are implying. Now keep in mind middle of the pac-10 is not good enough, we needed a coach who kept us near-UCLA level but this isn't the worst thing that could happen to Arizona. We're merely living to see another day with Tim Floyd, not doing anything spectacular.

maybe U of A basketball should be comparing itself to ASU these days...

I've admitted as such in earlier threads and it's pathetic. The one thing we can hang out hat on is that you guys aren't in a position to surpass us but it's still pathetic nonetheless.

Back to the topic at hand, you are comparing Floyd and Sendek now. Who would have thought when you were throwing names out like Pitino, Capel, and Calipari that you would be arguing the savior of UofA basketball with Herb Sendek, the coach of a much inferior ASU program. My how things have changed in just the last 2 days.

Never said Pitino nor did I say Floyd was a savior. He's a caretaker to keep us relevant until the Pastner Era.