i think he is saying that whomever conned sawyer's family when he was a kid isi the "original" sawyer.
shawn
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i think he is saying that whomever conned sawyer's family when he was a kid isi the "original" sawyer.
shawn
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I was thinking he ment 'different time lines'...
Very very interesting theory. We all know that most of these characters have been revealed to be connected some how or at least crossed paths. We know John's dad is a con man. He could have been the original guy who pulled the con on "Sawyer's" family.
That would make an interesting conflict. John and Sawyer fighting for who gets to off him first??
Did anybody else after last nights episode find it disturbing that Jack was playing catch and having fun? We know that Jack made a deal. We know that Jack was probably just buying time. However, after knowing everything the others have done, for Jack to be having some fun seems disturbing. Jack and "Mr. fake beard" also appear really chummy.
When Ben was there showing Locke what was behind the door I thought for sure they would end it and not show what was in there. I was kind of shocked that they didn't end it with the door half open and a message "to be continued".
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Something that struck me was the way "Mr. fake beard" spoke to Kate before Jack came into the pool hall or rec center or wherever it was she was held. It looked like he actually did want to help them. Very strange.
It would be funny if Claire and Jack eventually hook up!
I agree. That sort of started when Jack had the conversation with him about Ben in the operating room. You got to see a hint of that when Jack talked to him about how the Others went about doing things. Now this. It appears he is getting a soft spot for Jack and co.
You have to remember what Ben said...they are all there, but think they can go back...so maybe Bearded guy knows and sympathizes with Jack wanting to get off the island? I dunno...
I thought the same thing. Thought for sure that we wouldn't see it, but figured it was the dad. Since I could figure it out, I guess the writers figured EVERYONE would be able to figure it out and just showed it.
Chaplin
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I pretty much guessed that it would be Locke's father. However, nobody has mentioned the significance of having him tied to a chair. I thought for sure it would be in a nice room and he'd be sitting on a couch, get up with a drink in his hand and say, "Hello, John."
Why would the Others kidnap the man and bind him like that? Especially if Locke coming to their compound (with Kate and Sayid) was such a surprise? What were the original plans of the Others for his father? You gotta figure "the man from Tallahassee" is Locke's father, so maybe, just maybe, him being tied up in a chair is a trick.
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So, you're back on board then?
YES! The last 3 shows have been great again.
Everyone is asking how they got Lockes father. I thought it was fairly obvious. Ben said the island is a magic box. Think of what you want, open it up and there it is.
Not sure it's that easy, or that's how it happened...or Ben would have asked to be healed or healthy and it would happen.
No, there is something else going on.
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So in the follow up TV series they can call the show "Cracker Jack Island'. They can have a ghost of a little boy in a sailor uniform leading them to their secret toy prize...
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that's exactly what i thought, too.
also, i was amused while watching this episode because it reminded me of newsies. aside from the fact that locke's dad played mr. snyder, the evil warden in newsies, the whole story line with jack "playing along" with the others because they were gonna get him out reminded me of christian bale working during the strike because pulitzer was going to get him money to go to santa fe.
What Ben said was metaphorical. For you to actually believe it litterally you would have to believe that Lock was thinking of his father at that moment, wishes he was bound and wish he got bashed around (he was bleeding). Not to mention that whe Locke and Ben were in his room he ordered someone to go get "Tallahassee Man". So if there was real magic then why would he half to be fetched?
Remember that Ben knows how Locke got the way he did. Not to mention that Ben already revealed that he thinks Locke is connected to the island more then anybody else there. So if that is true and your Ben, you want Locke on yourside or with you. What better way to get Locke to come to the darkside then offering up his good old dad on a silver platter?
Man this show is getting good again.
Then why did they have to recruit Julia. Why not just wish her there? Why didn't they just wish for a Spinal Surgeon before Jack got there?
Exactly. What he was saying was metaphorical. In other words the Others have enough pull to make things happen.
Here are some great thoughts from a site my wife checks after Lost, I am not sure which, some blog. Especially the second paragraph:
The Tallahassee connections must have a meaning. "The Man from Tallahassee" (Presumably Locke's dad), Sawyer got an STD in Tallahassee, a Kate flashback showed a fugitive Kate buying a ticket to Tallahassee, and Juliet went to FSU in Tallahassee. Could be the producers messing with us, or a real meaning?
One reader commented that "Just before Locke’s father shoves him out the window, he grabs a bottle of MacCutcheon 60-year-old scotch and pours two drinks. Nice touch." Isn't that the same scotch - the "priceless one" refused to Desmond by Pen's dad and the one that he and the guys got drunk off of when they found it in Sawyer's stash. . .of stuff from the airplane. Someone rich and powerful who like that scotch was on the plane and crashed with them. Could it have been Locke's dad, explaining how he got on the island to begin with. He'd fled the country. Wouldn't suprise me if he'd been to Australia. . . Where Sawyer was returning to kill someone he had a vendetta against - the person he took his con name from? I'm sure it will be forever until we get answers, but that scotch must mean a lot, since the writers went out of their way to establish how expensive it is. Not just anyone would have it.
Maybe I've missed something (my husband hates this show and grouses the entire time) but I didn't think Locke's 'father' was really his dad. He said in the flashback when Locke confronted him, "so what? You needed a father, I needed a kidney. Get over it" I took that to mean he is a con man and conned Locke into believing in the whole long-lost-father-and-son-reunited thing. Anybody help?
Also, I noticed that Locke was wet on the dock, too. Didn't make sense at the time, but putting the C4 on the outside does track. But what did he do while he was inside??????
The Tallahassee connections must have a meaning. "The Man from Tallahassee" (Presumably Locke's dad), Sawyer got an STD in Tallahassee, a Kate flashback showed a fugitive Kate buying a ticket to Tallahassee, and Juliet went to FSU in Tallahassee. Could be the producers messing with us, or a real meaning?
One reader commented that "Just before Locke’s father shoves him out the window, he grabs a bottle of MacCutcheon 60-year-old scotch and pours two drinks. Nice touch." Isn't that the same scotch - the "priceless one" refused to Desmond by Pen's dad and the one that he and the guys got drunk off of when they found it in Sawyer's stash. . .of stuff from the airplane. Someone rich and powerful who like that scotch was on the plane and crashed with them. Could it have been Locke's dad, explaining how he got on the island to begin with. He'd fled the country. Wouldn't suprise me if he'd been to Australia. . . Where Sawyer was returning to kill someone he had a vendetta against - the person he took his con name from? I'm sure it will be forever until we get answers, but that scotch must mean a lot, since the writers went out of their way to establish how expensive it is. Not just anyone would have it.
Maybe I've missed something (my husband hates this show and grouses the entire time) but I didn't think Locke's 'father' was really his dad. He said in the flashback when Locke confronted him, "so what? You needed a father, I needed a kidney. Get over it" I took that to mean he is a con man and conned Locke into believing in the whole long-lost-father-and-son-reunited thing. Anybody help?
Also, I noticed that Locke was wet on the dock, too. Didn't make sense at the time, but putting the C4 on the outside does track. But what did he do while he was inside??????
good stuff man. i had thought quite a bit of that as well, but i'm too lazy to type it -lol
shawn
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OK conspiracy theory here, maybe Locke didn't actually blow up the sub, maybe he sunk it, by opening up the water mains (most subs have a bult in devise to sink the sub to avoid it going into enemy hands if needed) So he goes in, sinks the sub, swims out and then sets off the explosive to make it APPEAR that he blew up the sub. He knew Ben wanted it destroyed, maybe that made him think twice about blowing it up. Would be awfully devious of Locke, and we see an explosion, don't see the actual sub blow up tho.
Chaplin
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I don't think that is the case, only because by the next day, the Others could probably tell if the sub was blown up or not.
JasonKGME
I'm a uncle's monkey??
Well I went back and re-watched the video, a couple of points:
1 - When Locke walks back down the dock all wet you can no longer see the sub that should be on the left of the dock if looking out twords the water.
2 - When they cut to the explosion, again you don't see the sub in the explosion or an outline of the sub
3 - When they cut to the aftermath of the explosion again you don't see the sub sinking downwards, and 1 chunk of c-4 is not going to cause immediate and complete destruction of a submarine sorry.
4 - Only 2 possible causes for Locke to be wet, my scenario where he sinks the sub and blows up the dock, or the other put forth which is he sets the explosion under the sub in the water, but if the explosion was under the waterline there wouldn't have been the "fireball" from the explosion that happened.
My only problem with that theory is once the sub is submerged, Locke couldn't have gotten out without opening something. Therefore flooding the sub. Once the sub was flooded you couldn't get it to work again.
Even if you believed that he could get out of it, once it was submerged you couldn't get back into the sub. The water pressure would prevent you from entering the sub short of cutting it open.
