Lost: Season 3 (Spoilers)

[Nasser22]

That was the future though, when he was still dead...

 

[FischerKing]

Jack's dad is dead in the present. However he is still alive in the past.

and apparently the future as well.

shawn

 

[Dback Jon]

Actually it was done poorly because the room never would have flooded. Being completely submerged (and theoretically sealed) the air in the room had no place to go, so the water would have only filled the room until the pressure between it and the air was equal. If the air had a place to escape, then the water would have escaped with it and flooded the rest of the Looking Glass.

True, an air pocket at least would have remained above the portal level.

 

[FischerKing]

what is going to be tragic is if things turn bad for everyone after they leave the island - then charlies death is going to be for naught.

shawan

 

[Chaplin]

We've spent a long time on time travel, but what about alternate realities? Perhaps the flash forward was what would happen IF something goes the way it's going? That's gotta be the point of doing it.

 

[FischerKing]

We've spent a long time on time travel, but what about alternate realities? Perhaps the flash forward was what would happen IF something goes the way it's going? That's gotta be the point of doing it.

i've brought up the idea a couple of times at least regarding a "possible worlds" theory which is that idea - alternate realities existing in parallel based on decisions and non-decisions of different actions taken by the characters.

shawn

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

i've brought up the idea a couple of times at least regarding a "possible worlds" theory which is that idea - alternate realities existing in parallel based on decisions and non-decisions of different actions taken by the characters.

shawn

Kind of like a grand "choose your own adventure "book...

 

[jenna2891]

My guess is Sawyer is the one in the coffin. That is why Jack asked Kate if she went to see the viewing. They obviously grow apart after returning to the real world.

my idea as to why that theory is wrong: kate drove up to see jack in a volvo station wagon. no way she buys that car unless... she's got a kid. my guess, she's pregnant with sawyer's kid on the island.

here's what i've got so far:

the funeral was for ben. i think he's the only one who would have no friends, but people would still be saddened or at least affected by his death. also, and maybe i'm subjectively remembering, but the casket seemed a little short.

jack's dad isn't alive, he's was just going a little crazy.

after the episode from 2 weeks ago, when the whole thing was prepping us for charlie's death, i was actually disappointed when he didn't die in that episode (and i always liked charlie). after this week's episode, i was really, really sad for him to go. also, and unless i'm forgetting something, his death was the only one that wasn't shocking. i don't mean that it wasn't a surprise, because obviously we had forewarning from desmond. it wasn't shocking because it seemed *right* somehow. like it was exactly how it was supposed to be.

i really think, in a weird way the flashforward was techinically a flashback to an alternate reality... if that makes any sense.

i really liked this idea, and was on board with that theory until i remembered something just a few minutes ago: jack said (while talking to kate) something like "i've been riding that meal ticket" or "i've been riding that golden ticket every weekend." he was saying he's been using his lifetime supply of free rides from oceanic. i can't think of any way they could have gotten those without the crash having happened in the flash forward.

 

[Chaplin]

i really liked this idea, and was on board with that theory until i remembered something just a few minutes ago: jack said (while talking to kate) something like "i've been riding that meal ticket" or "i've been riding that golden ticket every weekend." he was saying he's been using his lifetime supply of free rides from oceanic. i can't think of any way they could have gotten those without the crash having happened in the flash forward.

That's the thing--the alternate reality started during the present--the Losties got rescued, and Oceanic gave them all free rides. There's no question the crash happened in the flash forward. It would be pretty safe to say everything that has happened in the series had happened in the time frame of the flash forward, it's what happens over the next seasons that is going to determine whether the flash forward is true or not.

 

[jenna2891]

That's the thing--the alternate reality started during the present--the Losties got rescued, and Oceanic gave them all free rides. There's no question the crash happened in the flash forward. It would be pretty safe to say everything that has happened in the series had happened in the time frame of the flash forward, it's what happens over the next seasons that is going to determine whether the flash forward is true or not.

i was taking the "alternate reality" to mean something along the lines of, they "leave" the island and suddenly they are back to where they should have been if the plan hadn't crashed, but they still have the experiences from the island.

 

[Joe Mama]

Right now I think it was Michael's funeral. I believe the obituary said something about being survived by a teenage son. It also said he was from New York. He might have changed his name to escape the things he did on the island were maybe even the fact that he was on the plane at all.

The only person we were really expect to see at his viewing/funeral is Walt, and there are all sorts of ways to explain why he might not have been there. Kate's reaction at the airport would fit perfectly if the funeral had been for Michael.

I watched the finale again the other day. Some random thoughts...

- I've read several posts where people said that they thought the scene where Charlie died was handled poorly because he could have escaped. I think by that point he had accepted the fact that he was going to die and needed to die in order for others to be saved.

- a lot of people, myself included, thought the blonde lady's comment about the code being programmed by a musician was a clue to something else. I was even thinking it might come into play with the whole space-time continuum stuff.

My friend had a different take on it, and I think he's probably right. That just showed that it was important that it was Charlie who was the one to go down to the looking glass and stop the jammer.

- I loved the season 2 finale. It was one of my favorite episodes. This one was even better though. I don't know how I'm going to wait until January for the next season. At the same time I'm not sure the end of the finale would be nearly as good if I could just pop in the next DVD right away.

- the acting on Lost is just fantastic.

- I was really pushing the idea that Jack's father was in fact still alive in the flash forward, but I don't think so now. I agree with those who were saying that he was simply losing it.

- did I say how great the acting is on this show yet? Matthew Fox should win an Emmy/Golden Globe just for this episode.

- I could watch that last scene between Jack and Kate over and over. Jackson is he sick of lying about what happened. This is one of the first times where I just have no idea where they are going to go with the show. I can't believe they all get saved. Perhaps a good number of them are even killed.

Alright, time to get to work. I hope there's something on TV worth watching this summer.

Joe

 

[nathan]

Here are a couple of news bits/rumors:
1) Harold Perrineau (Michael) has been offered a role as regular for next season
2) Next season will have flashbacks and flashforwards

 

[Covert Rain]

Here are a couple of news bits/rumors:
1) Harold Perrineau (Michael) has been offered a role as regular for next season
2) Next season will have flashbacks and flashforwards

You have a link?

 

[chickenhead]

I hope Jack's instability is not the explanation for his comments about his dad. If so it seems too much like tease for its own sake, rather than plot development. But we'll see. Question, though--was Jack's father ever names as Christian prior to this episode? I know that Claire remarked that she didn't even know his name in the episode where it's revealed he's her father. Is it possible Jack is actually referring to a different man? Just idle speculation.

One loose end that I wonder about is why the bearded man who made Sayid interrogate his superior officer in season 1 was also in the hatch with Desmond in season 2. I don't know that it's important.

 

[nathan]

You have a link?

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/

 

[JS22]

Well. I finally did it. Watched all 3 seasons. Interesting ending, although I somewhat knew it was coming. Vaguely I recall hearing someone talk about it, but I wasn't really paying attention so it was still a bit of a surprise. Also, I had a general idea that the "flashbacks" were actually "flash forwards" due to the title of the episode alone: "Through the Looking Glass." Guess the ending was tainted a bit for me.

It's funny. Just like 24 I didn't really want to watch this show after missing the first few episodes. Man, what an idiot I was. GREAT show. Lost is probably up there in my top 2 now - bumping Heroes down a bit. I'm looking forward to being able to watch it "live" next year so I can speculate with everyone here. It probably wasn't as intense since I could pop in the next episode right after a cliff hanger ending.

What am I going to do now? I've grown used to having an hour or two of Lost to watch every night. Damnit!

 

[JS22]

~Charlie had a lot of time after Mikial blew the porthole. He could have closed the door from the outside or simply gone out and put on tanks with Des and swum out. He didn't have to drown. I think that scene was handled poorly from that angle (liked it, though. Just wish it would have been quicker).

I'm guessing that it's because Charlie knew he had to die for everything to play out correctly. At least, that's what I think. Although he didn't die when they went trekking through the woods and the woman still landed on the Island.

Who knows?

 

[Chaplin]

I'm guessing that it's because Charlie knew he had to die for everything to play out correctly. At least, that's what I think. Although he didn't die when they went trekking through the woods and the woman still landed on the Island.

Who knows?

I think general consensus is that the door could not be secured from the outside, which is why Charlie had to die, otherwise it would have flooded the entire station.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

I think general consensus is that the door could not be secured from the outside, which is why Charlie had to die, otherwise it would have flooded the entire station.

I still think Charlie dies because he knew Claire would leave the island because of it, and because he knew he HAD to die sometime and here he knew it and could go in an honorable way.

 

[Pariah]

I think general consensus is that the door could not be secured from the outside, which is why Charlie had to die, otherwise it would have flooded the entire station.

Yeah, but it would have taken 20 minutes. Des already had the scuba gear almost ready.

They could have gotten out just fine.

 

[Chaplin]

Yeah, but it would have taken 20 minutes. Des already had the scuba gear almost ready.

They could have gotten out just fine.

There was a grenade outside the porthole. I think you give Charlie too much credit for quick thinking.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yeah, but it would have taken 20 minutes. Des already had the scuba gear almost ready.

They could have gotten out just fine.

He could have, but Charlie believed that he had to die in order for Claire to be rescued. He didn't want to risk it. He took one for Claire. "You sir, are a hero" from Nadia fresh in his mind.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

There is a possible chance Charlie is still alive. He could use the air pocket above the porthole collect his senses, take a deep breath and go thru the porthole to float to the surface...

Of course we did see Charlie suck in water....

 

[jenna2891]

Of course we did see Charlie suck in water....

we saw charlie suck outside of water sometimes, too.

 

[Russ Smith]

we saw charlie suck outside of water sometimes, too.

She shoots, she scores!