Lost - Season 4 (spoilers)

[Jersey Girl]

Okay, so when are we gonna talk about tonight's episode?

So, Hurley said he was part of the Oceanic six. Does this mean that only six people got off the island? That would be Jack, Hurley, Kate and who else?

What is it that Jack doesn't want Hurley to tell? Something bad obviously happened. Do you guys think there are still people from the flight on the island who decided to stay?

I was so excited that Lost was finally back, but I just feel like I have more questions.

 

[Lefty]

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Dr. Shepard Sr.

 

[D-Dogg]

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Dr. Shepard Sr.

Oh my god.

 

[Dback Jon]

Lost Is Back!!


Awesome Episode!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

My question is: Who is the dude in the room with "jacob"/Jack's dad? (Last year my wife and I thought it was Jack's father)


It certainly does not resemble locke...

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Oh my god.

If you watch the Missing Pieces clips, #13 has Jack's dad in it from the very beginning, sending Vincent to wake Jack up...and he's wearing white sneakers.

Wow.

 

[abomb]

I dont know what to do with this show or this thread. This show rocks me to the core.

 

[bankybruce]

I was dissapointed that not must happened, but it set up for some good stuff. I like the flash forwards a lot. It now makes you think about how the story is going to develop. Like when Jack said to Hurley, "I am thinking about growing a beard." Then the whole Oceanic 6 thing. And the guy who wanted info from Hurley.

 

[blindseyed]

I was dissapointed that not must happened, but it set up for some good stuff. I like the flash forwards a lot. It now makes you think about how the story is going to develop. Like when Jack said to Hurley, "I am thinking about growing a beard." Then the whole Oceanic 6 thing. And the guy who wanted info from Hurley.

Don't forget Charlie is dead but 'still here', It's almost like there's an alternate world or space that they can go back to and change maybe?...

I wonder if the 6 are Jack, Kate, Hurley, the couple Rose and Bernard and Juliet
Any guesses?

 

[PortlandCardFan]

One of the six dies and nobody goes to the funeral...

 

[bankybruce]

One of the six dies and nobody goes to the funeral...

I was thinking that too, but I think it may be someone else. Maybe someone who got them off the island.

 

[Gaddabout]

One of the six dies and nobody goes to the funeral...

We don't know that for sure.

If the writers hadn't already agreed with ABC on an ending date -- meaning they've fleshed out an overall story -- I would be very concerned about the direction of the show going X-Files on us. By that, I mean writers pushing the gas pedal to the floor without knowing where the brakes are, all the while assuring us they're in control.

This episode was designed to frustrate, but this is how Lost always starts the season. They start off packing the tension, pitting groups against each other, so they can slowly unfold it character by character. I have faith!!

 

[PortlandCardFan]

We don't know that for sure.

If the writers hadn't already agreed with ABC on an ending date -- meaning they've fleshed out an overall story -- I would be very concerned about the direction of the show going X-Files on us. By that, I mean writers pushing the gas pedal to the floor without knowing where the brakes are, all the while assuring us they're in control.

This episode was designed to frustrate, but this is how Lost always starts the season. They start off packing the tension, pitting groups against each other, so they can slowly unfold it character by character. I have faith!!

The only think you know for sure with 'Lost' is nothing is for sure.

 

[Dback Jon]

I don't think Kate is one of the Oceanic 6. She'd still be a fugitive, right? Maybe slipped back in?

 

[bankybruce]

http://lost.cubit.net/

some tidbits

 

[Gaddabout]

I don't think Kate is one of the Oceanic 6. She'd still be a fugitive, right? Maybe slipped back in?

She has to be because she was in the flash forward at the end of Season 3.

 

[Gaddabout]

Some important things I'd like to keep track of in this thread:

Spoiler

- Jack is officially intent on killing Locke. That was premeditated and not the heat of the moment. I don't care what anyone says, I think Jack wants to kill Locke because Locke is so successful in usurping Jack's authority, not because of anything else. Locke represents everything Jack hates about this world.

- Hurley saw Jacob. Does that mean Hurley is special like Locke?

- We all saw Christian, Jack's father. He was in the rocking chair. Is he the one that actually spoke to Locke? And what does that mean? Is it a metaphor for Locke to help Jack?

- Hurley apologized to Jack for siding with Locke in the flash forward. No matter what Locke does, I always believe there's some greater purpose for his actions. I think we're supposed to believe that he's the moral backbone of the show. But if Hurley, full of justice and goodness himself (dang near pure and innocent), is regretful, it makes me wonder where they're taking us with Locke. Has he been fool's gold all along? Perhaps the more we learn about Jacob, the more realize Locke is caught up in his own lust for power after being the one being put upon in his old life. That would be very disappointing. At least give me two sides to the story, like Mulder/Scully, faith/reason.

- We're back to the Kate/Jack/Sawyer love triangle. Kate and Jack are now on a collision course because Jack made his feelings crystal clear for Kate. Juliet's about to get dumped, I think. She's served her purpose and she's getting in the way of the story. Besides, Juliet doesn't need fixing. Kate does. I think we know how Jack rolls.

- Ben went with Locke for two reasons: because he doesn't trust the boat people and because -- I hope we all see this -- Ben knows he can still manipulate Locke. Jack is out of his reach.

 

[abomb]

Good write up at EW.com including questions to track through the season;

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20175395,00.html

 

[Covert Rain]

OMG!!!! This show is so freaking back. One of the best episodes of LOST to date. Period.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

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Oceanic 6

 

[Dback Jon]

She has to be because she was in the flash forward at the end of Season 3.

Yes, but is she officially one of the Oceanic 6??

 

[Gaddabout]

Yes, but is she officially one of the Oceanic 6??

Well, everything we've been shown can only lead to the assumption she was. I suppose if you want to get technical, the last time they thought they were going to get rescued Kate snagged a passport from a dead person, so perhaps she's using an alias.

I think she's definitely one of the 6 because the end of season 3 Jack clearly imposed on Kate that *they* meaning *we* should never have left. I don't think he would have done that if Kate had left under different circumstances. There was obviously some moral dilemma they all faced in leaving.

Speaking of which, Kate's resolve to never go back leads me to believe she wasn't referring to the island, but Sawyer, because that's how her character thinks. Either Sawyer is dead and buried there or he was left there alive and Kate was repulsed with either what Sawyer has done (killing two people) or what Sawyer will do (on the island before the rescue).

 

[Jersey Girl]

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Dr. Shepard Sr.

WOW!!! Did not see that one!

 

[Gaddabout]

Spoiler

Apparently they originally shot the Jacob shack scene with ... HURLEY in the chair. This other twist was added later.

 

[Bob Chebat]

So Hurley got off the island even though it appears that he stayed behind with Locke. That would lead me to believe that Ben was also one of 'the six', and they implied that Ben would have been the one who died at the end of last season and no one attended the funeral. Remember, when Jack was asked if he was friend or family, he replied that he was neither.

It may just be me, but none of the story lines in this show have come even close to being wrapped. Whatever IT is, I want to think it is the spirit (black cloud) which killed Ecko and Walt appeared to have seen.

Speaking of Walt, Locke saw him afer being shot and left for dead by Ben. Then Locke shows up, apparently healed, and chucks a knife at Naomi.

I love this show, but I wish they would wrap up a few storylines already instead of making them deeper. After last night, it would seem that whatever the ultimate plan is, Jack had knowledge of it all along. If the goal is simply to keep everyone confused, mission accomplished. This is some highly creative writing.