Lost - Season 4 (spoilers)

[Gaddabout]

This is some highly creative writing.

I think the real key is they're borrowing heavily from the classics. They've mixed so many I've lost count, but they're not reinventing the wheel. I think what they're doing is bringing old stories to the TV with a fresh coat of paint. Bravo for that. Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[bankybruce]

So Hurley got off the island even though it appears that he stayed behind with Locke. That would lead me to believe that Ben was also one of 'the six', and they implied that Ben would have been the one who died at the end of last season and no one attended the funeral. Remember, when Jack was asked if he was friend or family, he replied that he was neither.

It may just be me, but none of the story lines in this show have come even close to being wrapped. Whatever IT is, I want to think it is the spirit (black cloud) which killed Ecko and Walt appeared to have seen.

Speaking of Walt, Locke saw him afer being shot and left for dead by Ben. Then Locke shows up, apparently healed, and chucks a knife at Naomi.

I love this show, but I wish they would wrap up a few storylines already instead of making them deeper. After last night, it would seem that whatever the ultimate plan is, Jack had knowledge of it all along. If the goal is simply to keep everyone confused, mission accomplished. This is some highly creative writing.

WOW, where have you been old buddy?

 

[Bob Chebat]

It's a looooooooooooooooooooooooong story that started years ago and eventually landed me in the hospital last year with a stroke. I won't bore anyone with details. Let's just say I was forced to grow up.

 

[JerkFace]

That would lead me to believe that Ben was also one of 'the six', and they implied that Ben would have been the one who died at the end of last season and no one attended the funeral. Remember, when Jack was asked if he was friend or family, he replied that he was neither.

If it was Ben then i wonder why Jack was so upset when he saw it in the paper. I think it was Locke. He is the only character that was neither friend nor family that i could see Jack being upset about his death (I'm also assuming that a lot of more stuff happens between Locke and Jack between the present and the future scenes).
I don't think the future is real. I think that they have the 6 locked up someplace messing with their minds, trying to find out some information. Kind of like the matrix. That is why Hurley keeps seeing weird things like Charlie and the mirror exploding. jmho

 

[Gaddabout]

I don't think the future is real. I think that they have the 6 locked up someplace messing with their minds, trying to find out some information. Kind of like the matrix. That is why Hurley keeps seeing weird things like Charlie and the mirror exploding. jmho

Was the past real? Charlie had an imaginary friend that got him put in the looney bin.

 

[Pariah]

Was the past real?

If t was a construct of Hurley's "imagination," then he would have imagined a great many things that he wasn't directly involved in (backstories, things that happened to people he never had direct "contact with, etc...) I don't think the writers would take that out. It's a pretty lazy conclusion ("it was all a dream!")

 

[Gaddabout]

It's a pretty lazy conclusion ("it was all a dream!")

Exactly. Which is why the future is real, too.

 

[SO91]

Speaking of which, Kate's resolve to never go back leads me to believe she wasn't referring to the island, but Sawyer, because that's how her character thinks. Either Sawyer is dead and buried there or he was left there alive and Kate was repulsed with either what Sawyer has done (killing two people) or what Sawyer will do (on the island before the rescue).

I kind of think Sawyer did get out with Kate. When she meets Jack at the airport in the season finale, she says something along the lines of "he's waiting for me" (can't remember the exact line) before getting back in her car and leaving. The person she's refering to seems to be somebody she's romantically involved with, as well as somebody Jack knows.

 

[Gaddabout]

I kind of think Sawyer did get out with Kate. When she meets Jack at the airport in the season finale, she says something along the lines of "he's waiting for me" (can't remember the exact line) before getting back in her car and leaving. The person she's refering to seems to be somebody she's romantically involved with, as well as somebody Jack knows.

That's a possibility, but the way she said it I thought it was more ominous than that -- someone perhaps we haven't "met" yet and not definitively a love interest.

It's possible it's Sawyer, and it's possible he could have laid down the law that she should never meet with Jack ever again. Rivalries being what they are.

It's difficult to tell, though. Jack and Locke are locked into this mortal combat and Sawyer is such a free agent. It's difficult for me to imagine, given the Enlightenment themes, that Sawyer would become an authority figure -- over Kate or anyone.

 

[Bob Chebat]

By seeing future events, there is no way to tell what is real time for the characters anymore. By flashing the future clips, apparently everything has already happened. The problem is the gaps between the what is happening in the future and what happened on the island. Lol, the whole thing is Desmond's dream. The title of the show is the explanation for the plot. LOST

 

[blindseyed]

That's a possibility, but the way she said it I thought it was more ominous than that -- someone perhaps we haven't "met" yet and not definitively a love interest.

It's possible it's Sawyer, and it's possible he could have laid down the law that she should never meet with Jack ever again. Rivalries being what they are.

It's difficult to tell, though. Jack and Locke are locked into this mortal combat and Sawyer is such a free agent. It's difficult for me to imagine, given the Enlightenment themes, that Sawyer would become an authority figure -- over Kate or anyone.

It could be her child. Didn't Kate say something about maybe being pregnant last year? In any event, a kid could be another twist

 

[PortlandCardFan]

It could be her child. Didn't Kate say something about maybe being pregnant last year? In any event, a kid could be another twist

Nice!!!

 

[Joe Mama]

It could be her child. Didn't Kate say something about maybe being pregnant last year? In any event, a kid could be another twist

brilliant. I really think you've got something there. That absolutely makes sense. It would explain the car as well. Wasn't she driving a Volvo station wagon or something like that?

Joe

 

[bankybruce]

Here are my thoughts. One of two things has to happen. Either they will mix flash backs and flash forwards. I say this becuase is they are all flash forwards, we will know who the Ocieanic 6 are pretty quick and that will become stale or they will do only flash forwards and mix in flash forwards from who are still on the island.

Also, I believe JJ said they will talk about how Libby ended up in the mental hospital, so that still needs to happen.

Titbit from last seasons finale: Everyone was talking about Jack's dad possibly still being alive because of the way he was talking and because he used is fathers perscription pad. Now that we are pretty certain he is on the island in some form, I think there could be something to that.

 

[bankybruce]

By the way, "Happy Lost Day"

 

[Gaddabout]

Titbit from last seasons finale: Everyone was talking about Jack's dad possibly still being alive because of the way he was talking and because he used is fathers perscription pad. Now that we are pretty certain he is on the island in some form, I think there could be something to that.

Abrams has also said dead people are really dead people in Lost.

 

[bankybruce]

Abrams has also said dead people are really dead people in Lost.

A ghost maybe? Haunting him for leaving the island.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Happy Lost Day!

It IS today, right?

 

[Pariah]

I've said for a couple of seasons now that I think Jack's father plays a larger role then we're led to believe thus far.

 

[DWKB]

Just a reminder for the discussion on the split of the survivors and who the O6 are, we've been shown that Claire and Jack are have siblings and Aaron is Jack's nephew.

 

[Bob Chebat]

Another episode that opens more questions without answering any that were opened previously. I'm starting to think that the writers are getting in over their heads. They are simply leaving way too much to the imagination. Introducing new characters when the books are still open on others. They have turned the survivors against each other, not really knowing who can be trusted. Apparently Locke cannot be trusted. Hugo takes his side on the island and then apologizes to Jack for going with him, and ends up being one of the six. I wish just once they would sew up a story, but then again, it's getting to the point where I don't think they know how.

I'm sure the next six episodes won't answer much, if anything. But then again, that is why we are all hooked.

 

[Gaddabout]

This episode officially pushed me over the edge.

From now on I'm taking all my orders from the island.

 

[bratwurst]

Showing the pilot footage from under the water kind of killed some of this show for me.

 

[bankybruce]

Showing the pilot footage from under the water kind of killed some of this show for me.

Just curious, but how so.

 

[bankybruce]

My 2 cents. First off, on http://lost.cubit.net/ they show the pictures of the ghost boy and Eko and they look alike, leading some to think they could be the same. Not sure how that is possible, but it was disclosed that he was a murderer and drugs were found. Does that mean that the black smoke is the "Asian Ghost Buster" and when he said "you can leave now" Eko died on the island. I am not sure what I think of that.

Second, the Birtish lady asked Claire is she had her baby on the island and when Claire said yes, they were very surprised, like she new about the issues of the pregnant women on the island. With that being said, wouldn't they know who Juliet is and know she is not one of the originals, but brought there by Ben?

Also, the Polar Bear in the desert with the Dharma collar was interesting. Why does Dharma like Polar Bears so much?

As far as the plane crashing staging, I think it is interesting to see if they ever go into the plane under water to see if there are any other bodies.