Lost - The Final Season (Spoilers)

[green machine]

did anyone find it strange that neither Sun or Jin cared that their son was going to grow up with both parents dead?

YES! Sorry for being so dramatic but that was my first thought. Yeah, them dying sucks but what about the kid? One parent would be better than none.

I thought about that but their kid has never met Jin and everyone off the island thinks Jin died on the island anyway. Sun told them as much when she got off. Imagine Jin showing up to raise a child he's never met, how would that go over given the kid's mother told them all her husband died?

 

[Evil Ash]

I do not think that Frank is dead. The way they showed him go down was too unfinished. He is also credited as being in all the last episodes.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0058151/filmoseries#tt0411008

As for everything else, I have no feakin' idea what is going to happen and why Claire is still alive.

More then likely he's showing up in the flash-sideways.

 

[Russ Smith]

did anyone find it strange that neither Sun or Jin cared that their son was going to grow up with both parents dead?

Exactly what my girlfriend said, Jin should get out to raise the child.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Exactly what my girlfriend said, Jin should get out to raise the child.

My wife and I said the same exact thing.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think the writers made a tough choice -- that the story arc for Jin and Sun only resolves when they renew their undying love. That's the only way they could "beat" the island so to speak. Breaking them apart would sort of tear at the fabric of the story arc they had been constructing all this time.

 

[jefftheshark]

If I knew that my kids were safe at home with family to look over them, then I'd stay with my wife.

Of course, I would have never have been in this position in the first place, because the first night on the beach when the smoke monster appeared out of nowhere would have caused me to run screaming into the surf where I would have drowned then.

JTS

 

[Gaddabout]

If I knew that my kids were safe at home with family to look over them, then I'd stay with my wife.

I thought long and hard about this, knowing Jin's position a little too well. I probably would have done the same thing for the same reason you mention.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i get all that, but Sun never even mentioned their kid.

 

[Chaplin]

i get all that, but Sun never even mentioned their kid.

Good point, but I think you might be overanalyzing it a bit.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good point, but I think you might be overanalyzing it a bit.

over course I am. that's what I do! (no sarcasm meant here)

just felt a little weird to me.

 

[HoodieBets]

I actually liked the line when Jack nods his head to ol' Smokey and goes "I'm with HIM."

LOL.

You know how long we waited to find out what the smoke monster was, and now we have a line about Jack being "with him."

So crazy.

By far the best line of the series

 

[HoodieBets]

If I knew that my kids were safe at home with family to look over them, then I'd stay with my wife.

I dont think there is anyway if i have the choice i leave my child without a parent JMO.

 

[earthsci]

I dont think there is anyway if i have the choice i leave my child without a parent JMO.

So you would let your wife drown alone?

 

[Louis]

I dont think there is anyway if i have the choice i leave my child without a parent JMO.

How about if you had to travel to a magical island where smoke turns into people, your spouse time travelled twice, you once escaped but was unabel to discuss the truthiness of it, people are killing people, the others' others' have others', you know a dude that hasn't aged in decades, and you and your fellow crashees tried to escape a mysterious second island because somebody tried to kill the smoke thing and your only avenue of escape was a submarine during which you were under fire from other others.

Oh and you survived 2 plane crashes.

 

[HoodieBets]

So you would let your wife drown alone?

Whats worse having one parent or none at all? and to answer your question yes because at that point in time my child needs me in her/his life more than my wife who has no chance of surviving.

 

[HoodieBets]

How about if you had to travel to a magical island where smoke turns into people, your spouse time travelled twice, you once escaped but was unabel to discuss the truthiness of it, people are killing people, the others' others' have others', you know a dude that hasn't aged in decades, and you and your fellow crashees tried to escape a mysterious second island because somebody tried to kill the smoke thing and your only avenue of escape was a submarine during which you were under fire from other others.

Oh and you survived 2 plane crashes.

That would make for one hell of a TV show

 

[HoodieBets]

Wow is all I can say I dont know whether i like liked the episode or not just leaves me thinking the ending wont be satisfying since this episode satisfied me in no way

 

[thirty-two]

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My favorite re-cap from another message board:

Recipe for an Hour of No Answers Leading Up to Eventual Fratricide:

Pit brother against brother, one obviously light and the other obviously dark. Angst. Beat someone to death with a rock. Take the Obviously Dark one to Cave of Wonders. Drench liberally with water. Shove into cave. Cook for five minutes or until smokey. Wait for six seasons to go by and then serve ice-cold to an audience that DESERVED A BETTER EPISODE.

That pretty much sums it up.

And I didn't put that under a spoiler since the episode is over on the west-coast and it says spoilers in the thread title.

 

[JS22]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[TBaslim]

Yeah, that was not terribly satisfying. I dug the mythological aspects, but it was fairly predictable with no new surprises or reveals. I was not shocked by the reveal of Adam & Eve's identities, the origins of the donkey wheel or anything.

First episode written by Lindelof and Cuse that I was not crazy about. It did answer questions, though, FWIW. Maybe it's because like so many things, the mystery is more fun than the answers.

Oh well, they will get back to their comfort zone pretty quickly next week, methinks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

so, there's only 3 hours left in this series, right?

kinda interesting episode.

question... so, I thought crazy Mom told Jacobs and David that a) they could never hurt each other and b) could never leave.

Okay... why does Jacob get to leave and bounce around the world and touch others and why can he beat the crap out of David and... kill him, or at least do whatever he did to turn him into Smokey?

and what in the world was possible motivation for Jacob to stay with crazy mom after his own brother told him what she did... and ESPECIALLY after she ADMITTED he was right? I mean, there's answers and then there's no rational reason for some stuff to be happening at this point.

 

[Chaplin]

Obviously Smokey isn't human, since his human body died. But we already knew that. Smokey now appears to be his real form and Locke is a secondary form. Many believed the opposite.

As far as the spell, I think they can hurt each other, they just can't KILL each other.

As for Jacob staying with his "mother", I think naive as he was, he understood that his brother was the dark, and he couldn't go that way.

EDIT: Another interesting theory is that Jacob's brother is truly dead and the Smoke Monster isn't related to Jacob at all. It can appear as dead people (like their real mother and later as Jacob's brother/Christian/Locke) and it manipulated Jacob's brother. For what purpose, I don't know. Jacob accused his mother of loving the brother more--perhaps the smoke monster believed that he was the one destined to be the new protector, so he set events in motion to eliminate the protector. But it's plan backfired when his brother's dead body appeared in the "cave" or whatever it was and it realized it had made a mistake--and that's why it wants to kill Jacob. But for some reason, the smoke monster cannot kill the protector of the island. Then again, why didn't it just kill Jacob's brother straight off and bother with such an elaborate setup.

Massive FAIL on this episode. IMO the worst of the season. Very disappointing.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I was waiting for the lucky charms leprachan to come out of the golden hole.

 

[Evil Ash]

That episode was a whole lot of meh.

The only thing that stood out for me was that the crazy mom thanked MIB after stabbing her.

I'm guessing that Jacob could only communicate/appear before the canidates as I don't recall him interacting with anyone else. Think of it like the Sixth Sense. He may not have actually been there but made it look to the candidates like he was there while in fact he was still stuck on the island

 

[chickenhead]

But Jacob physically interacts with the candidates, right? He touches Sun and Jin: a screen capture of it is on Lospedia.

[Sidebar: I totally agree with everyone who said that Jin staying with Sun--or at least Sun failing to use their daughter as a reason when she is trying to get Jin to leave--was incredibly unrealistic. The most absolutely unrealistic thing that has ever happened in the show short of bizarre phenomena. I'm not a mother, but I don't believe there is any way a mother doesn't tell her husband to go to the child. A child he hasn't even gotten to meet, no less. Absolutely ridiculous. I can't even begin to entertain counter-arguments. I'll stop now.]

Presumably Jacob's mother says "thank you" when she is stabbed because she has been there for who-knows-how-long? The same sort of hell Richard has inhabited, except that while he wants to die because of a sense of purposelessness, she can die because the purpose has been shifted to Jacob?

Oddly, though, this episode does sort of turn the whole "Jacob believes in inherent human goodness/MiB in human avarice" argument. Jacob's mother certainly didn't believe in human goodness. Jacob was undecided while he "observed," and MiB was in agreement with the mother. Only both the mother and Jacob want to keep things contained on the island, while MiB wants to leave.