Love my Suns, but Diaw?

[mathbzh]

I am tired on this hate on Diaw.

In March he averaged 11.1/4.9/3.7, 52.8 FG%, 33 3P%, 86 FT% (but also 2TOs) in only 26 minutes. This is far from a bad production. But it is never enough.

When he pass on open jumpers he should have take them.
When he takes these jumpers he is accused of bricking.
When he scores and pass the ball he should have more rebounds.
When he gives us scoring passing and rebounding he is blame for his TO.
Everybody complains about is so-so defense... Why don't the haters speak about Nash defense?
...

When will you accept that Diaw is not an All-Star? The only solution to hope for 2006 Diaw comeback is an Amare injury. Is this what you want?

Edit: Of course his contract his awfull. But nothing can be done about it.

 

[Ollie]

Give it a rest, it's worthless... look at any game thread this year, and Diaw is consistently bashed whatever he does (at least he's consistent with something).

Some threads are 20+ pages with at least 4 pages with "Diaw sucks, Diaw is soft, Diaw is a (slang term for female genitals that will probably be filtered), Diaw is pregnant, I hate Diaw" lolololol crap.

There's members here with an irrational hate for the guy, so much that he's the subject of half of their posts. Maybe that's some good old repressed love, but I doubt it. Use the ignore list.

 

[Phade]

diaw bangs hot blonde chicks

 

[Skumbag]

diaw bangs hot blonde chicks

April Fools is over, son.

 

[Hat]

Problem is Diaw wanted to be a point guard growing up. He wanted to be like Magic: the large PG that can distribute the ball evenly and get a few rebounds here and there. DA, when they first got him, had no clue where to stick him, so because he was big, they put him as backup PF/C

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I am tired on this hate on Diaw.

In March he averaged 11.1/4.9/3.7, 52.8 FG%, 33 3P%, 86 FT% (but also 2TOs) in only 26 minutes. This is far from a bad production. But it is never enough.

When he pass on open jumpers he should have take them.
When he takes these jumpers he is accused of bricking.
When he scores and pass the ball he should have more rebounds.
When he gives us scoring passing and rebounding he is blame for his TO.
Everybody complains about is so-so defense... Why don't the haters speak about Nash defense?
...

When will you accept that Diaw is not an All-Star? The only solution to hope for 2006 Diaw comeback is an Amare injury. Is this what you want?

Edit: Of course his contract his awfull. But nothing can be done about it.

Plenty of people comment on Nash and Amare's suspect defensive abilities. But they more than make up for it by carrying the team on offense, and being some of the best offensive players in the league. That's why they get pass.

Diaw on the other hand is Downy Soft. There's no denying this fact, and pretty much everybody who watches Suns games can attest to it. He also makes a whole bunch of boneheaded plays, and is woefully inconsistent. This is exactly what you DON'T want to have on a championship caliber roster.

Sure he'd be fine on a team like Minnesota where they're trying to work out the kinks and aren't going to be playing in a do-or-die playoff game where one mistake can cost your team the season.

Same situation with Beno Udrih. He definitely has talent, and is doing pretty good on a rebuilding team with Sacramento. He had a good year (like Diaw), but then regressed massively. Good roleplayers on championship teams are consistent, and they maximize their abilities. Diaw does neither.

 

[nowagimp]

im so tired of people ripping on diaw. yea hes not the same guy he was in 2006 but havent we learned from the shawn marion/joe johnson years that there just isnt enough ball to go around for everyone. its not diaws fault they offered him the contract.

yes, there are times that i wish he would shoot it when hes 2 feet away from the rim, but in todays NBA having a guy thats unselfish and never complains about his role is refreshing. unfortunately not everyone can be amare.

Ditto here! Diaw gets the same number of boards as amare(10) in 10 less minutes(41-31), and turns the ball over 2 times to amares 6 TO's, while guarding tougher assignments. I am not upset with Diaw at all, just wish he would take it to the rack strong more, his hustle is better than amares, mostly. Diaw didnt cost the suns the game last night, the turnovers did, and that was a team effort.

 

[nowagimp]

Diaw on the other hand is Downy Soft. There's no denying this fact, and pretty much everybody who watches Suns games can attest to it. He also makes a whole bunch of boneheaded plays, and is woefully inconsistent.

Diaw is a bench player he equalled amare in rebounding last night in 10 less minutes. Diaw also grabbed 3 oboards(they unquestionably take more effort) amare had zero oboards, none. And Diaw at least boxes his man off the oglass. I expect more from amare than I do from Diaw, amare is a superstar getting the max. Amare is "soft" in boxing his man off the glass. And as far as boneheaded plays, amares 6 TO's last night were full of bones, diaw had only 2 TO's.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Diaw is a bench player he equalled amare in rebounding last night in 10 less minutes. Diaw also grabbed 3 oboards(they unquestionably take more effort) amare had zero oboards, none. And Diaw at least boxes his man off the oglass. I expect more from amare than I do from Diaw, amare is a superstar getting the max. Amare is "soft" in boxing his man off the glass. And as far as boneheaded plays, amares 6 TO's last night were full of bones, diaw had only 2 TO's.

First of all, one game is hardly indicative of an entire career or season of play. Secondly, softness isn't a quantifiable statistic. It's an attitude, and only through watching the games can someone discern it. Amare does have concentration lapses, and I've been on his case when he does. But he plays with a fire and passion that Diaw doesn't have. Amare goes on to the court with the expectation that he's going to dominate the game, Diaw seems like he can't wait until the after party.

And boneheadedness also can't be accurately measured by statistics. The only measurement I can think of is how many times I start yelling at my TV when Diaw inexplicably makes an absolutely idiotic play. Not all turnovers are created equal.

 

[moviebuff316]

Diaw is too inconsistent. One play I will be clapping for him because he makes a awesome drive to the hoop or pass and the next play will be a lazy pass that turns into a layup for the opposing team. A lot of his turnovers are easy passes in the perimeter that are just lazy. He is too soft and lacks being consistent. I wanna see him jam the ball when he is near the rim.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Problem is Diaw wanted to be a point guard growing up. He wanted to be like Magic: the large PG that can distribute the ball evenly and get a few rebounds here and there. DA, when they first got him, had no clue where to stick him, so because he was big, they put him as backup PF/C

I disagree. I think D'Antoni knew exactly where to put him, and they were able to maximize his productivity while Amare was out.

 

[95pro]

No kidding.

People bitch when Diaw doesn't shoot, and bitch when he shoots and misses.

He's not going to light up the scoreboard every night, and frankly, I prefer him taking the open jumper if it's given to him.

The guy had 10 rebounds tonight, so I don't think anyone can say he didn't put forth effort. Just sometimes, the shot doesn't fall.

that's the problem. he's wide open & he DOESNT take the jumper.

 

[Chaplin]

that's the problem. he's wide open & he DOESNT take the jumper.

Under the basket, yes. But he usually will take the shot at the elbow. I'm curious after reading your posts just how much you actually watch the games.

 

[Chaplin]

First of all, one game is hardly indicative of an entire career or season of play. Secondly, softness isn't a quantifiable statistic. It's an attitude, and only through watching the games can someone discern it. Amare does have concentration lapses, and I've been on his case when he does. But he plays with a fire and passion that Diaw doesn't have. Amare goes on to the court with the expectation that he's going to dominate the game, Diaw seems like he can't wait until the after party.

And boneheadedness also can't be accurately measured by statistics. The only measurement I can think of is how many times I start yelling at my TV when Diaw inexplicably makes an absolutely idiotic play. Not all turnovers are created equal.

That last paragraph is just an excuse to say "ok" to Amare's turnovers and hate on Diaw's.

"Not all turnovers are created equal." Come on. You'd rather Amare make 6 turnovers than Diaw have 2? Craziness.

 

[95pro]

Under the basket, yes. But he usually will take the shot at the elbow. I'm curious after reading your posts just how much you actually watch the games.

usually, he'll shoot at the elbow when he's wide open? that means he'll pass up the oportunity.

sometimes he doesn't
sometimes he hesitates first, then misses.
once in a while it'll go in.

 

[jandaman]

Diaw is okay...

the main problem, is that he simply always look for the pass first...

he'd be a heck of a play maker...

but he needs to get over that mentality sometimes, the Suns really do need him punishing player leaving him open and or smaller players trying to guard him downlow.
From what we have all seen, Diaw's back to the basket game is good, has good mobility etc...

basically he is like Odom... of 2-3 seasons ago... but now, Odom is more aggressive and he has put up HUGE nights... of course Diaw isnt as gifted as Odom, but you see the similarities... Diaw is better in some areas and Odom is obviously better in some areas also, but the main difference now... Odom use to be potential...with glimpse of stardom... now he is a legit player, might not be a superstar... but he is fringe star, whats holding him back from becomming a star is his inconsistency in wanting to dominate his opponent... but he can and has shown it a lot the last 2 seasons.

Now.. Diaw..

Suns just need to get this guy angry.... someone should seriously send him to a psychologist... and get a reversal anger-management... he needs to go nuts on the court sometimes!

 

[nowagimp]

First of all, one game is hardly indicative of an entire career or season of play. Secondly, softness isn't a quantifiable statistic. It's an attitude, and only through watching the games can someone discern it. Amare does have concentration lapses, and I've been on his case when he does. But he plays with a fire and passion that Diaw doesn't have. Amare goes on to the court with the expectation that he's going to dominate the game, Diaw seems like he can't wait until the after party.

And boneheadedness also can't be accurately measured by statistics. The only measurement I can think of is how many times I start yelling at my TV when Diaw inexplicably makes an absolutely idiotic play. Not all turnovers are created equal.

1) yeah one game doesnt tell the whole story, but amare has concentrations lapses continually this year as his man gets to the oglass all the time, especially when shaq sits. His post position defense is also inferior to Diaws.

2) yeah amare plays with a fire and a passion, and the boneheadedness of a young player, frequently not very cerebral. Still, I love the guy, but when he turns the ball over its typically two at the other end, his turnovers are typically worse than Diaws.

3) Diaw is more of a team player than amare. In the crunch, diaw is looking for the best shot. Amare thinks he can create the best shot, and that is often true, except against the better teams that cannot be beaten 1 on 5.

The suns will live and die with amare stoudemire. On offense(outstanding) and on defense(bad). Boris diaw is a backup, making a fraction of amares money and playing a fraction of his minutes.

This is why I dont understand suns fans continually being frustrated with diaw. When the suns lose, it is typically because of TO's, bad ball movement, and lousy outside shooting, none of these areas is a "diaw problem". The outside shooters are Bell, Giricek, barbosa, and nash. Shaq, nash and amare all turn the ball over more than Diaw. Diaw has been averaging double figure scoring off the bench over the last ten games and shoots 47%. Many good teams could use a player like diaw off the bench. Its not diaws fault that his oversized contract was based on him being used more as a focal point in the offense. His role has changed, and he isnt worth the money in his current role. Welcome to the NBA.

 

[Chaplin]

usually, he'll shoot at the elbow when he's wide open? that means he'll pass up the oportunity.

sometimes he doesn't
sometimes he hesitates first, then misses.
once in a while it'll go in.

Who are you describing? Oh wait, that is EVERY NBA PLAYER not named Kobe or Lebron.

Sometimes he shoots and sometimes he doesn't. Wow, really in-depth analysis there.

 

[95pro]

Who are you describing? Oh wait, that is EVERY NBA PLAYER not named Kobe or Lebron.

Sometimes he shoots and sometimes he doesn't. Wow, really in-depth analysis there.

atleast its my 2cents. might not mean much to someone else. im not an analyst either

all you do is critique other peoples posts, and base your knowledge of that.

 

[mathbzh]

Plenty of people comment on Nash and Amare's suspect defensive abilities. But they more than make up for it by carrying the team on offense, and being some of the best offensive players in the league. That's why they get pass.

So our two best players have major flaws in their game. Last year, Nash not being able to guard Parker arguably cost us the championship. But you decide to look the bright side (and I am OK with that).

Diaw on the other hand is Downy Soft. There's no denying this fact, and pretty much everybody who watches Suns games can attest to it. He also makes a whole bunch of boneheaded plays, and is woefully inconsistent. This is exactly what you DON'T want to have on a championship caliber roster.

But for Diaw, you only look at his weaknesses. EVERY THREAD turn in a Diaw bashing thread, he was a genius in 2006 and now he is the worst player in the league. I have nothing against Diaw bashing. To be honnest he often deserves it. But not in every thread.
Yes he is soft, but when he takes 14 shot don't start complaining about him shooting bricks.

 

[Chaplin]

atleast its my 2cents. might not mean much to someone else. im not an analyst either

all you do is critique other peoples posts, and base your knowledge of that.

I have gone blue in the face talking about Diaw. Instead, we get the same stuff over and over and over. You would agree with that, I'm sure.

Yes, Diaw needs to figure out whether he wants to be aggressive or not. When he is, he's a great player. When he isn't, he's a liability. However, to blast him on specific gametime problems and not blast the rest of the guys who in many cases have WORSE issues is nuts.

This Suns team is at their best whenever Boris Diaw plays well.

 

[nowagimp]

However, to blast him on specific gametime problems and not blast the rest of the guys who in many cases have WORSE issues is nuts.

This is what irks me about the "diaw complaints". He's so bad, but he is much better than the guys who carry the offense at most things. NOBODY gets a pass with me. These guys are VERY well paid, no passes. Amares offensive game(marvelous) does not excuse stupid decisionmaking, or trying to do things by himself(1 on 3), or not boxing out. If amare puts in the effort, I am OK with his weaknesses whatever they are, but boxing out and paying attention on D are almost 100% effort. Doubt that? I give you Jeff Foster who does both way better than amare. Just how is foster more talented than amare? Same for Nash, mostly he does put in the effort, but not all the time. Sometimes its just that Nash is old, just doesnt have it in a back to back, we cant tell him to get younger. Amare is a young guy with tremendous ability -top 5 in the NBA ability- but the effort is inconsistent on defense and rebounding. Boris Diaw appears to think too much while he is playing, making him tentative. Amare appears to think not enough. Raja plays his heart out, shaqs effort I cant fault. LB often is like a chicken on the court, grant hill is 100% effort and smarts every night, period. If you realized how damaging it is(to the team morale) to have a guy that doesnt put out effort consistently, you would understand that amare provides the very best and the worst to the phoenix suns. If amare played for a more discipline oriented coach, he would probably look for a trade. Pop, Riley, sloane, Van gundy would drive amare nuts and he would drive them nuts. Boris Diaw needs to step it up, think less act more, no doubt. But no passes for other guys because they make alot of shots. The suns team defense will determine how far they go, and 2 guys cant be excused from contributing their fair share.

 

[jagu]

These Suns play no D, the only thing you can hope is they have good shooting nights because when they can't shoot collectively they usually get spanked. So I am not even arguing on Diaw's defensive effort because there is no defense for the Suns. Other than Hill and Bell, no one else really cares much about the D.

Offensively Diaw is garbage. He reminds me of those guys who show up at the park to play and never saw a basketball before. When Diaw is aggressive and goes down low, usually good things happen. I think he's afraid of contact, afraid he might break a nail. Watching the Suns for the last decade, I think he's the most confused looking basketball player I've seen on the Suns.

 

[95pro]

there was that one play,
diaw goes in, make the lay-up. gets hit by najera(sp?).
and 1!!!

but he shows no emotion. the guy was not ecstatic, happy, nothing. he needs the eye of the tiger, the guy is lacking killer instinct.

 

[joshstmarie]

Offensively Diaw is garbage. He reminds me of those guys who show up at the park to play and never saw a basketball before.

this is probably the worst exaggeration ive ever seen in my entire life.