MadCards 2025 Offseason Plan post Super Bowl

[oaken1]

True - I'm talking about what kind of man he is. Michael has proven time and time again to be a total garbage human being. Not sure you can say that about the old man.

Agree. Old Bill was a spendthrift tightwad penny pincher. But he was a likeable guy and there werent really any knocks on his character or how he treated people...unless they wanted more money

 

[Cheesebeef]

i did not have you sticking up for that (rip) cheapskate on my bingo card today -

Lol… wasn’t sticking up for him as much as saying there’s really not much of a difference between father and son.

 

[Chopper0080]

QB aside it's 3 main areas of need at Edge, iDL and LB.

I'm not too concerned about OL at the moment because I expect some players to re-sign and I need to hear more about Williams injury, but RT may be added to that list. I'm happy with the talent we have or have developing in other areas such as safety, CB, WR etc

Look at the 2021 team that won 11 games, or the 2014 and 2015 rosters. They weren't stacked with big names, but we are missing a couple top tier talents like Campbell and P2.

What we mainly miss though is a QB that is as good as Carson Palmer was.

Big disagreement on the OL. Not sure what re-signings you are counting on. Jonah coming off injury. Hern off an injury. Brown was very mid. Beach is getting real old. Adams was ok.

 

[Stout]

Big disagreement on the OL. Not sure what re-signings you are counting on. Jonah coming off injury. Hern off an injury. Brown was very mid. Beach is getting real old. Adams was ok.

Our OL is in big trouble as it stands, with more problems elsewhere on the roster. Monti really backed himself into a corner this offseason.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Our OL is in big trouble as it stands, with more problems elsewhere on the roster. Monti really backed himself into a corner this offseason.

MO really has and the injuries have amplified it

Time to show what you are made of MO

Get it done!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

See the above. And the LT he got isn't as good as the Edge he didn't get.

Unless and until he lands some stars and gets this team over the hump, Monti is not "the guy." For the time being, he's potential, hopium, and not good enough.

This cannot be understated. Both premium positions. And he ended up with the less talented guy. If the guys taken with the additional draft capital end up being studs it changes the equation, but if they’re just average starters or worse it was a bad trade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This cannot be understated. Both premium positions. And he ended up with the less talented guy. If the guys taken with the additional draft capital end up being studs it changes the equation, but if they’re just average starters or worse it was a bad trade.

Not only that, but he didn’t even get the best LT in the first round. If you’re gonna make that trade and not gonna get the premium pass rusher you better get the premium LT at least.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Quarterbacks are 75% of the game. You get a bad one and the roster doesn't matter, you get a good one and they can carry mediocre teams. The reason "Many teams look good early in the season, but when games start to matter, that's when the better teams win" is because they have quarterbacks that play well when the pressure is on.

This is an insane statement and I feel like I put an enormous amount of credit/blame on QBs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Your a counselor. You understand toxic relationships. Constant negativity and bitching is not support. It's abuse, and to try and convince otherwise is gaslighting.
That's psychology 102

I know right? Just look how poorly the Cardinals have treated us in this relationship!

(You use relationships as the analogy. They are two sided. Who has treated whom more poorly in this relationship? The fans who show up year after year with money and attention or the team who provides a terrible product).

This analogy backfired on you a bit.

 

[DVontel]

Not only that, but he didn’t even get the best LT in the first round. If you’re gonna make that trade and not gonna get the premium pass rusher you better get the premium LT at least.

Who is the best one?

 

[BirdGangThing]

monti didn't just screw the pooch he's still dating it - and forever will (anderson) be until finds a better edge then the one he foolishly passed up on - you just can't go quantity over quality when building the foundation

 

[Harry]

Big disagreement on the OL. Not sure what re-signings you are counting on. Jonah coming off injury. Hern off an injury. Brown was very mid. Beach is getting real old. Adams was ok.

I agree the OL needs work. One of the members need to take charge and demand focus. They need some mean. They also need better drive blocking on the inside. They need to think domination. I think LT is excellent.

 

[BritCard]

Big disagreement on the OL. Not sure what re-signings you are counting on. Jonah coming off injury. Hern off an injury. Brown was very mid. Beach is getting real old. Adams was ok.

I expect the line to be Paris, Adams, Fro, Hernandez, Williams.

The only question is Williams injury and Hernandez resigning. I expect they want to resign Hernandez but I think his value higher than people here think, I expect he'll get $8-10m.

We see after FA and reassess but if Hernandez doesn't resign I expect them to fix that in FA, not the draft.

(Brown was fine, especially for the money)

 

[BritCard]

Not only that, but he didn’t even get the best LT in the first round. If you’re gonna make that trade and not gonna get the premium pass rusher you better get the premium LT at least.

Wut? Who do you think is better?

 

[BACH]

Not only that, but he didn’t even get the best LT in the first round. If you’re gonna make that trade and not gonna get the premium pass rusher you better get the premium LT at least.

WHAT???

Who is better?

Paris is not only the highest rated OT from last year's draft. He's the highest rated OL.

PJJ (#6), Mauch (#45), Skoronski (#11), Wright (#10) are the only ones at above average per PFF

 

[kerouac9]

WHAT???

Who is better?

Paris is not only the highest rated OT from last year's draft. He's the highest rated OL.

PJJ (#6), Mauch (#45), Skoronski (#11), Wright (#10) are the only ones at above average per PFF

I think I found your problem.

 

[BritCard]

I think I found your problem.

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[MadCardDisease]

Like he Koonce idea a lot. Might not get him that cheaply, but I’d pay more for a shot at an up and comer like him.

Yes I like Koonce as well. Had him as an option that the Cards could go after in my Way too Early offseason thread.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree the OL needs work. One of the members need to take charge and demand focus. They need some mean. They also need better drive blocking on the inside. They need to think domination. I think LT is excellent.

I am comfortable with three of the spots being Paris, Adams, and Fro. I have no issue with a starting OG spot being Adams to lose. I do think it will be a challenge to add a starting RT of Williams quality(depends on Jonah of course), a swing OT (maybe the same as the starter), a replacement OG who is better than Hernandez, and a reserve interior OL better than Colon and Adams last year.

Not saying it can't be done, but it's gonna take some work for sure.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I’m good with above average. I agree Sweat is not a Hall of Famer, but he’s an upgrade capable of impacting a few games. That would help. I have no illusions that he’s simply a building block who can rush the QB and set the edge.

That's exactly my thought with going after Sweat. No I don't expect him to be a top 10 pass rusher. However he improves this team, and maybe his solid pass rush ability helps the Cardinals get over that hump and win a couple more games.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am comfortable with three of the spots being Paris, Adams, and Fro. I have no issue with a starting OG spot being Adams to lose. I do think it will be a challenge to add a starting RT of Williams quality(depends on Jonah of course), a swing OT (maybe the same as the starter), a replacement OG who is better than Hernandez, and a reserve interior OL better than Colon and Adams last year.

Not saying it can't be done, but it's gonna take some work for sure.

Yes I pretty much agree with this assessment.

Hence why I have the Cardinals going after a potential young stud at RT in Josh Simmons with their first round pick. If the Cardinals hit with a guy like Simmons, they will be set at Tackle for the next decade. This will hopefully help Murray and if Kyler fails next season, then whoever they bring in to be the QB in 2026 will have the pieces in place along the OL to hit the ground running.

 

[Stout]

I am comfortable with three of the spots being Paris, Adams, and Fro. I have no issue with a starting OG spot being Adams to lose. I do think it will be a challenge to add a starting RT of Williams quality(depends on Jonah of course), a swing OT (maybe the same as the starter), a replacement OG who is better than Hernandez, and a reserve interior OL better than Colon and Adams last year.

Not saying it can't be done, but it's gonna take some work for sure.

I am still really unsure about Adams--he wasn't terribly good--but at a certain point you have to develop from within. Brown was barely serviceable as a starter and that spot needs a big upgrade. Tackle is a huge problem and hard to fix without throwing more draft capital at it (a stupid move at this point), and depth will be a real issue. So, not happy with the state of the OL and, coupled with the defense, will be, IMO, too much for Monti in one offseason. He made the bed he will be lying in, though.

 

[Stout]

Yes I pretty much agree with this assessment.

Hence why I have the Cardinals going after a potential young stud at RT in Josh Simmons with their first round pick. If the Cardinals hit with a guy like Simmons, they will be set at Tackle for the next decade. This will hopefully help Murray and if Kyler fails next season, then whoever they bring in to be the QB in 2026 will have the pieces in place along the OL to hit the ground running.

Murray can shove it. We've wasted far too much on the O and need to focus on the D with our draft capital, at least in the early rounds. Monti needs to put his big boy pants on and fix the OL in FA so he can do what he should have been doing the last two years, which is fixing the front 7 on D.

 

[Chopper0080]

I expect the line to be Paris, Adams, Fro, Hernandez, Williams.

The only question is Williams injury and Hernandez resigning. I expect they want to resign Hernandez but I think his value higher than people here think, I expect he'll get $8-10m.

We see after FA and reassess but if Hernandez doesn't resign I expect them to fix that in FA, not the draft.

(Brown was fine, especially for the money)

I have a couple issues with this.

Hernandez is 30, over 300 lbs and coming off a knee injury in October. To think his recovery won't take at least a year is wildly hopeful. I know there was a Weinfuss report stating he should be recovered by training camp, but that is pure speculation.

Same with Jonah Williams.

So in a make or break year, I disagree with the idea you can leave FA with the hopes of Hernandez and Williams being healthy to start the year and little depth.

The other thing I struggle with is "Brown was fine, especially for the money". Winning and production should be more important than value spending. I don't have an issue with signing a low figure player to be an answer at a position, but it better hit if that is the direction you are going to go. Brown was ok being the 5th best OL in the starting lineup, but Adams now takes that role which means the line needs better.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am still really unsure about Adams--he wasn't terribly good--but at a certain point you have to develop from within. Brown was barely serviceable as a starter and that spot needs a big upgrade. Tackle is a huge problem and hard to fix without throwing more draft capital at it (a stupid move at this point), and depth will be a real issue. So, not happy with the state of the OL and, coupled with the defense, will be, IMO, too much for Monti in one offseason. He made the bed he will be lying in, though.

I liked what I saw from Adams in the running game. However he has a ways to go in pass protection. I'm fine with him as a guard if they have another solid veteran option at the other guard position.