Malcom Butler

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Shall I dust off the ol draft pick picture again comparing teams draft history?

Lol seems necessary every couple days.

 

[Krangodnzr]

How many years ago were those? How many seasons impacted by injury since?

Nice try, my point is that he really only had one injury, but took two seasons to come back.

Bosa isn't even comparable health wise and neither is Deebo. Those guys have missed SEASONS in high school, college, and the NFL.

 

[BritCard]

How many years ago were those? How many seasons impacted by injury since?

2 seasons. Just 2.

7 games in 2018 and all 2019.

 

[Stout]

2 seasons. Just 2.

7 games in 2018 and all 2019.

And to an old player, 2 seasons is a lifetime ago. I have no problem with folks who want to be bullish about Green. Folks pretending it's obvious Green is going to be good and scoffing at doubters is where I draw the line. Green very, VERY much needs to prove he can still do it at his age and with his recent injury history, rather than be given blind faith that of course he can still do it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nice try, my point is that he really only had one injury, but took two seasons to come back.

Bosa isn't even comparable health wise and neither is Deebo. Those guys have missed SEASONS in high school, college, and the NFL.

“Nice try?” Lol. Facts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

2 seasons. Just 2.

7 games in 2018 and all 2019.

Right. Now how many pro bowls since 2017 (you know, THREE YEARS AGO)?

what’s more recent those 7 pro bowls or two injury shortened and one awful season?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And to an old player, 2 seasons is a lifetime ago. I have no problem with folks who want to be bullish about Green. Folks pretending it's obvious Green is going to be good and scoffing at doubters is where I draw the line. Green very, VERY much needs to prove he can still do it at his age and with his recent injury history, rather than be given blind faith that of course he can still do it.

Right. Of course this.

 

[BritCard]

And to an old player, 2 seasons is a lifetime ago. I have no problem with folks who want to be bullish about Green. Folks pretending it's obvious Green is going to be good and scoffing at doubters is where I draw the line. Green very, VERY much needs to prove he can still do it at his age and with his recent injury history, rather than be given blind faith that of course he can still do it.

I'm not saying otherwise, but say he still has to prove he can do it.

His injuries on the other hand, are massively overblown. Hicks has missed more games with injury on a pre season basis. Honey Badger has missed more and a lot of fans didn't want to see him go. Hump definitely has a worse record.

I'd say Green has an average injury history having played in 88% of his career games, but yes, he does still need to prove he can play at a high level. Camp talk seems to suggest he can but we will see.

It's not like he was complete garbage last year, PFF gave him a 66 grade which is above average, as they discount all the passes he couldn't possibly catch.

 

[Krangodnzr]

And to an old player, 2 seasons is a lifetime ago. I have no problem with folks who want to be bullish about Green. Folks pretending it's obvious Green is going to be good and scoffing at doubters is where I draw the line. Green very, VERY much needs to prove he can still do it at his age and with his recent injury history, rather than be given blind faith that of course he can still do it.

And the doubters acting like Green is just old and washed up have less evidence of that.

I'd bet on a borderline HOF player to bounce back, especially when he has looked great in camp.

 

[Krangodnzr]

“Nice try?” Lol. Facts.

Thanks for acknowledging the facts.

Yes he has had an injury, but he is also one of the best receivers of the past twenty years. I think Green was a smart gamble considering the overall roster construction.

 

[BritCard]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thanks for acknowledging the facts.

Yes he has had an injury, but he is also one of the best receivers of the past twenty years. I think Green was a smart gamble considering the overall roster construction.

All I’m saying is he’s a gamble. And that those 7 pro bowls are a lot more remote than his injured and mediocre seasons. If you had to get $1,000 which way you betting? Pro bowl season or injured/mediocre season? (I acknowledge there’s a lot of space between those two - but you were trumpeting his 7 pro bowls).

 

[blindseyed]

This thread really went off the rails

 

[BritCard]

All I’m saying is he’s a gamble. And that those 7 pro bowls are a lot more remote than his injured and mediocre seasons. If you had to get $1,000 which way you betting? Pro bowl season or injured/mediocre season? (I acknowledge there’s a lot of space between those two - but you were trumpeting his 7 pro bowls).

If I had my last $1000 and had to take the over/under on 900 yards I'd take the over. I don;t think he's going to the pro bowl because he's WR2 but I can see him getting 900, possibly 1000.

That's not to say he's not going to get injured, anyone can, but I don't think he's more likely than anyone else.

 

[kerouac9]

Thanks for acknowledging the facts.

Yes he has had an injury, but he is also one of the best receivers of the past twenty years. I think Green was a smart gamble considering the overall roster construction.

Lol the hyperbole here.

 

[BritCard]

I'd glad to see nobody has said "Why didn't we sign Josh Normal before the Niners?". You all passed that test.

Dude would have been a negative, not a positive.

I'm surprised the Niners signed him. They have some young corners there they basically just told they don't rate over the corpse of Josh Norman.

 

[Jetstream Green]

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Allow us to get off the Green express (or Green mule train depending on how you see him) and back on track, right blindseye... I think the Cardinals should seriously consider bringing him back into the fold for at least some vet insurance

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Sounds like info is slowly leaking out...

Interesting tidbit revealed about Cardinals CB Malcolm Butler

SI.com’s Albert Breer’s mailbag response gives some insight about the usage of CB Malcolm Butler before his sudden retirement.

cardswire.usatoday.com

 

[Mainstreet]

Sounds like info is slowly leaking out...

Interesting tidbit revealed about Cardinals CB Malcolm Butler

SI.com’s Albert Breer’s mailbag response gives some insight about the usage of CB Malcolm Butler before his sudden retirement.

cardswire.usatoday.com

Losing a step doesn't explain giving up $3.25 million or whatever the amount happens to be in my book.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Losing a step doesn't explain giving up $3.25 million or whatever the amount happens to be in my book.

I think that's all ego. Either he is upset and feels slighted, or he know it's true and would rather go out with people remembering his good years, instead of being remembered as a Duane Starks.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lol the hyperbole here.

No hyperbole. You think AJ Green hasn't been one of the best receivers over the past twenty years?

I know you are a cynic, but AJ Green has absolutely been one of the best.

 

[Krangodnzr]

All I’m saying is he’s a gamble. And that those 7 pro bowls are a lot more remote than his injured and mediocre seasons. If you had to get $1,000 which way you betting? Pro bowl season or injured/mediocre season? (I acknowledge there’s a lot of space between those two - but you were trumpeting his 7 pro bowls).

See this is the Darkside trap.

I'm not betting Pro Bowl season. I'm betting better than 2019 Larry Fitzgerald. Outside of major injury, that's all but a given.

60 receptions, 750 yards and 5 TDs is an improvement. You darksiders can't see that because if he's not a Pro Bowler, he sucks in your minds eye.

 

[BritCard]

No hyperbole. You think AJ Green hasn't been one of the best receivers over the past twenty years?

I know you are a cynic, but AJ Green has absolutely been one of the best.

Those are Bengal pro bowls too. They are worth twice normal pro bowls. Which still isn't much.

 

[Cheesebeef]

See this is the Darkside trap.

I'm not betting Pro Bowl season. I'm betting better than 2019 Larry Fitzgerald. Outside of major injury, that's all but a given.

60 receptions, 750 yards and 5 TDs is an improvement. You darksiders can't see that because if he's not a Pro Bowler, he sucks in your minds eye.

sorry man, but that is setting a pathetically low bar. Larry was dust last season. the idea that merely being better than Fitz makes Green worth spending 6 million bucks on assumes there was no one else on the market who could have done the same or better... like the choice was well, either you bring Larry back or you have to sign Green. There were other options during FA and we'll see if that was money well spent or not. I'm hoping it was.

and your last point is just horse manure. it's a projection you WANT Darksiders to have because it's easy to argue against, but not one Darksiders has come out and said or even come close to intimating that if Green doest make the Pro Bowl he sucks. You needing to hyperbolize other's arguments only speaks to the weakness of your own.

now I come back at me with a "nah bro" or "cool story" or whatever else gaslight you got coming. just stop putting words in other people's mouths. it only makes the words coming out of yours look stupid.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think that's all ego. Either he is upset and feels slighted, or he know it's true and would rather go out with people remembering his good years, instead of being remembered as a Duane Starks.

This could well be. However, I can think of $3.25 million reasons not to think this way.