Marc stein - KG wants SUNNNNSSSS!!!

[Gaddabout]

Jefferson and the #17 for KG.

Well, they added Cliff Robinson, too.

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[playstation]

one thing for sure:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=675210&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

mad respect for that dude. he broke it sunday night...probably by betraying a friend, just so he could say he knew about it first. LOL

and now its all blown up which will probably make it dramatically less likely to happen.

 

[sly fly]

- If the Suns can get KG without giving up Barbosa or Amare, they may win 70 next year.

I will really hate to see either of those two involved. They are the future, especially since both are locked up for a few years.

- KG is an OLD 31. He's been in the league since he was 9. That being said, he's still a freak.

- If those ping pong balls would have bounced favorably for PHX, some type of deal would have been done by now.

- Final word: Remember, PHX isn't that far away from where they want to be. Don't get crazy and mortgage the future.

 

[NDNACE]

If this trade for KG goes down, will it be bigger than the 1992 Barkley blockbuster? I think so, probably a 9.1 on the Richter scale.

 

[Gaddabout]

- Final word: Remember, PHX isn't that far away from where they want to be. Don't get crazy and mortgage the future.

These seem to be two competing components. If the Suns aren't far away from the championship, history shows you pull the trigger on whatever makes you better and live with what happens when the roster ages out.

You worry about the future if the present situation is unmanageable.

 

[AsUdUdE]

What I want to know is WHY is everyone seemto be ok with trading Marion + Barbosa + picks for Garnett...

In a recent article by Marc Stein, he was saying a deal of Deng, Ben Gordon and the #9 pick was too much for chicago to give up for Bryant...

Marion > Deng
Barbosa > Gordon
ATL pick 24, 29,= #9 pick...

Yet what Im gathering is everyone would be cool with a that same trade for KG...

Personally Marion + Barbosa + picks is too much for KG..... unless the Wolves threw in a pick (this years or next years top 3 protected) I wouldn't want to do that trade....

 

[Gaddabout]

Because the 2007-08 Suns with Garnett minus Marion, Barbosa and first-round picks are still better than the 2006-07 Suns. The pieces fit better, and you only have so long to give Nash the ammo for a championship.

 

[fordronken]

The great thing about the Boston scenario is that they have a big expiring contract and the #5 pick. Teams like Washington can offer Antawn Jamison, but the pick isn't worth it.

 

[elindholm]

In a recent article by Marc Stein, he was saying a deal of Deng, Ben Gordon and the #9 pick was too much for chicago to give up for Bryant...

That's utter nonsense. I can't imagine what Stein was thinking when he wrote that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I will boo Marion all season until he curls up into the fetal position at center court if he causes us not to get KG....

i will never acknowledge his ring of honor position if he costs us a shot at kg. all that respect someone was talking about on another thread? gone. he would no longer deserve it.

 

[Covert Rain]

if Marion really holds this up, he will officially become the most hated member of the Phoenix Suns of all time from my perspective.

He complains about not getting his due, he talks about going to another team and the possibity of being THE man DURING A PLAYOFF RUN and now, that it appears he gets that shot, he says FU?

Well guess what Tortilla - FU!

I totally agree. If that ended up being the case, I could see Marion hearing getting allot of boos every time he has a bad game.

 

[hsandhu]

Will shawn marion go to nj? He'll probably come up with an excuse like he doesn't want to overshadow his good friend jason kidd... but, I think I got it.

A good old fashioned 4-way baby! Basic parameters are:

Marion to NJ
Jefferson to Boston
kg to suns
and #5 plus all the stuff we've been talking about (if push came to shove, sigh, barbosa) to minny

You would think Boston would be more than happy to give up #5 for r.j., who's only 26, and can average 20 when healthy. Both jeffersons and pierce is actually something in the east.

The question is would new jersey give up jefferson for marion? Maybe, since he is a good match with kidd.

somebody send this to david griffin

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You guys are crazy. Marion couldn't care less what we think. It's like asking you to leave an white-collar work environment to go to McDonals and flip burgers for the same money. Would you do it? Would you WANT to do it?

i'd consider it. no stress. easy hours. same money? same ability to earn in the future? why not?

 

[Gaddabout]

somebody send this to david griffin

Yes. And David Griffin will know immediately your offer doesn't work under cap figures. IIRC, even in a four way, all the salary rules apply. Finding four teams willing to move $20+ million in players and/or picks so the Suns can land is impossible.

 

[AsUdUdE]

How much better though next year, as well as in the future? just for the sake of argument lets take what NBADraft.net (not the most reliable, but most used) as a predictor of what happends in this draft and next year..


Suns Trade:
Shawn Marion PTS: 17.5 REB: 9.8 AST: 1.7 PER: 20.87

Leandro Barbosa PTS: 18.1 REB: 2.7 AST: 4.0 PER: 18.49

Marco Belinelli (#24 this year)

O.J. Mayo (NBAdraft.net 2008 prediction)

Suns Recieve:

Kevin Garnett PTS: 22.4 REB: 12.8 AST: 4.1 PER: 24.20


Outlook:
Next year
-13.2 PPG +0.3 RPG -1.6 APG

Statistically next year we will be worse in PPG, but better in defense and chemistry... Ill buy that..... and that counts for a lot...

However is it worth the risk? Sure having Garnett and Amare in the Front court would be fun as hell, with Nash at the helm... but who else would we have... Bell, ok good, and then...KT, will beef up our front court good defensive presence... Diaw? Good passer, not a good scorer.... Jones Jr.. SUCKS... we would have a GREAT starting 5,

PG: Nash/Banks
SG: Bell/???
SF: Diaw/JR
PF: Amare/KT
C: Garnett/KT

with virtually no scoring help off the bench....and no prospects of getting any either... with no draft picks then for the next 2 years.... and no cap room.....

Yes this would mean Marcus Banks would be our go-to 'guard' bench player, Jones JR and KT our forward bench players....

We would be OLD, capped out, and no draft prospects...

This is what Im afraid of.... I think Marion needs to go, but I don't want to mortgage our ENTIRE future to get Garnett... IMO

 

[fordronken]

IIRC, even in a four way, all the salary rules apply.

I think it even costs extra.

 

[hsandhu]

Yes. And David Griffin will know immediately your offer doesn't work under cap figures. IIRC, even in a four way, all the salary rules apply.

Dude I said parameters, you want me to include theo ratliff, cliff robinson, kt, and all the other stuff that will be needed to make it work, if you really want me to I can.

But I was trying to highlight the main pieces.

 

[Gaddabout]

Dude I said parameters, you want me to include theo ratliff, cliff robinson, kt, and all the other stuff that will be needed to make it work, if you really want me to I can.

But I was trying to highlight the main pieces.

Just saying ... four-team trades under the current system requires Chinese algebra.

David Griffin would be the one guy who could work it out, though.

 

[hsandhu]

Just saying ... four-team trades under the current system requires Chinese algebra.

David Griffin would be the one guy who could work it out, though.

Pretty simply, if you are over the cap, which i believe all 4 teams are, your incoming vs. outgoing has to be within + or - 25% of one another. This trade does work.

 

[Gaddabout]

Pretty simply, if you are over the cap, which i believe all 4 teams are, your incoming vs. outgoing has to be within + or - 25% of one another. This trade does work.

Jefferson only makes ~ $12 million per. Who else are the Nets going to offer to convince Boston to part with Al Jefferson? You need about another $7.5 million in salary.

 

[hsandhu]

Jefferson only makes ~ $12 million per. Who else are the Nets going to offer to convince Boston to part with Al Jefferson? You need about another $7.5 million in salary.

celts only give up #5/ratliff/maybe delonte west for RICHARD jefferson, they keep al.

nets give up richard jefferson/cliff robinson for marion.

I didn't check exactly that they fall within 25% but you could add subtract small contracts.

 

[Chaplin]

What makes anyone think that New Jersey would trade with Boston? They are in the same division, after all.

 

[Goldfield]

If Marion pulls something like this he wouldnt beable to set foot in USAC again.

 

[hsandhu]

What makes anyone think that New Jersey would trade with Boston? They are in the same division, after all.

If they feel they are getting better, maybe they dont worry about what Boston is doing. With the way the way the playoffs are structured, divisions mean less. Maybe if New jersey resigns carter, krstic gets healthy, they feel with marion instead of an injury-prone jefferson they can actually make a run in the garbage east.

The lakers not wanting to deal with the suns had a lot more to do with them hating the suns and not wanting to send their golden boy to the team he hates. Their fans will be angry enough if he gets traded.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Isn't Marion from Chicago?

Minnesota is just a short plane ride for his hideous twin sister and mom.

I don't even know what to say...