Marc stein: Suns to court Mayo

[Phrazbit]

True. Mayo is another over paid role player (Warrick, Childress) . Bring back Shannon Brown. Please.

Agreed. Mayo is better than Brown, but not by a huge margin. I'd much rather have Brown for 10 mil over 2 years, than Mayo for 27-35 mil for 3 or 4 years.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Agreed. Mayo is better than Brown, but not by a huge margin. I'd much rather have Brown for 10 mil over 2 years, than Mayo for 27-35 mil for 3 or 4 years.

I could nearly agree but the difference is Mayos ability to create for himself and the fact that Mayo is still young and could improve, brown is what he is for the most part, and always will be...

Brown is a filler, Mayo is a guy with potential to be a corner piece

 

[cly2tw]

That remains to be seen. On paper, Mayo and Dragic are not a bad combo. Both are decent sized combo guards who can share duties bringing it up and running the floor. Neither would have to have total pg duties all to himself. If a coach is creative, he will know how to make that work.

Joe Dumars and Isiah Thomas were that kind of combination of skills (I am not saying that these guys would be as good, just saying the roles are similar).

It's funny that I also thought of the comparison with Isiah/Dumars. Mayo's defense is excellent. If Beasley can improve defense as Mayo did, with Dudley in the mix, the Suns could really play pressing defense all game long, which'd create a lot fastbreak opportunities. All three can create their own shots, though none of them being a superstar or even allstar caliber. As long the price is right, Mayo is a no brainer.

 

[Covert Rain]

For me if it wasn't for Gordon's injury issues and the fact that it's a max contract it would be a no brainer. IMO all things being equal it's not even close.

Mayo's defense is horrible. There is a reason he was benched and his defensive PER ratings are horrible. Dude can't defend and I keep saying this but the Suns need to steer clear of guys like this.

Having said that Gordon injury issues and the fact they offered him max worries me. The Suns have a history of giving out bad contracts lately and I am not sure I want to be saddled with a max contract at guard.

He has skills on both sides of the ball though.

I think the Suns are in a tough spot. Despite Babby saying otherwise....there is a reason you don't hear guys like DW or DH talking about coming here. That means the Suns have to be aggressive with the next tier players.

 

[slinslin]

Mayo's defense is horrible. There is a reason he was benched and his defensive PER ratings are horrible. Dude can't defend and I keep saying this but the Suns need to steer clear of guys like this.

WTF dude, do you even watch the player?

The reason Mayo was benched is that Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the entire NBA and they did not need much offense at the position when their first options were Gasol, Randolph and Gay anyway.

Mayo is a good defender. He played good defense last year, had a DRtg of 103 which Kobe Bryant hasn't managed since 2004 for instance. Eric Gordon was always plus 110, last season does not count. Shannon Brown 108..

Playing at shooting guard Mayo allowed opponent PER of 13.3. In comparison James Harden 14.9, Kobe Bryant 11.8.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I am about to have an aneurism.. Do people REALLY believe Shannon Brown for 5 million is better than Mayo for 7?? Really?

And lumping Mayo in with Childress and Warrick is ABSURD..

The bottom line is Shannon Browns career average is 7 PPG 1.8 RPG 1.1 APG

OJ Mayo- 15.2 PPG, 3.4 RPG 2.7 APG..

If you compare their best years in which they were in high octane offenses like the suns run:

Brown- 11 PPG 2 RPG 1 APG
Mayo- 18.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG

If Mayo had remained in the right system who knows how good he could be by now.. Brown may be trending up, but while their floors are about even (Mayo probably has a higher floor though) their ceilings are not even close.. We know what Shannon Brown is, we don't know how good OJ Mayo could be..

Saying Mayo is not worth a couple million more than Brown is not reality..

 

[jlove]

I am about to have an aneurism.. Do people REALLY believe Shannon Brown for 5 million is better than Mayo for 7?? Really?

And lumping Mayo in with Childress and Warrick is ABSURD..

The bottom line is Shannon Browns career average is 7 PPG 1.8 RPG 1.1 APG

OJ Mayo- 15.2 PPG, 3.4 RPG 2.7 APG..

If you compare their best years in which they were in high octane offenses like the suns run:

Brown- 11 PPG 2 RPG 1 APG
Mayo- 18.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG

If Mayo had remained in the right system who knows how good he could be by now.. Brown may be trending up, but while their floors are about even (Mayo probably has a higher floor though) their ceilings are not even close.. We know what Shannon Brown is, we don't know how good OJ Mayo could be..

Saying Mayo is not worth a couple million more than Brown is not reality..

SOOOOO Very true. Much rather have Mayo at no more than $9 mil then Brown even at lowest $3 mil. Mayo is head and shoulders above Brown, especially for this team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

WTF dude, do you even watch the player?

The reason Mayo was benched is that Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the entire NBA and they did not need much offense at the position when their first options were Gasol, Randolph and Gay anyway.

Mayo is a good defender. He played good defense last year, had a DRtg of 103 which Kobe Bryant hasn't managed since 2004 for instance. Eric Gordon was always plus 110, last season does not count. Shannon Brown 108..

Playing at shooting guard Mayo allowed opponent PER of 13.3. In comparison James Harden 14.9, Kobe Bryant 11.8.

Wow. Yes. Agreed.

 

[WildBB]

I am about to have an aneurism.. Do people REALLY believe Shannon Brown for 5 million is better than Mayo for 7?? Really?

And lumping Mayo in with Childress and Warrick is ABSURD..

The bottom line is Shannon Browns career average is 7 PPG 1.8 RPG 1.1 APG

OJ Mayo- 15.2 PPG, 3.4 RPG 2.7 APG..

If you compare their best years in which they were in high octane offenses like the suns run:

Brown- 11 PPG 2 RPG 1 APG
Mayo- 18.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG

If Mayo had remained in the right system who knows how good he could be by now.. Brown may be trending up, but while their floors are about even (Mayo probably has a higher floor though) their ceilings are not even close.. We know what Shannon Brown is, we don't know how good OJ Mayo could be..

Saying Mayo is not worth a couple million more than Brown is not reality..

1st off, Mayo will be fighting Beasley for the ball all the time. He wants to be a scorer 1st, preferably the 1st option. His percentages don't warrant that, but neither do Beasley's.

2nd the reason I mentioned Warrick and Childress is that's what type of contract it will take to sign Mayo. 4 yrs. min. 30 Mil.

You can overpay Shannon Brown for a year and then be done. With Mayo your stuck again. For what? A number 13 lottery pick again, maybe 10. Then you have him another three years on a continuing retooling project, that just took longer.

Mayo could avg. your 18-20, but he won't help you win much down the road. Just enough to suck not bad enough. The Suns have to take their medicine and hope for better days and continued CAP flexability next season.

 

[Chaplin]

1st off, Mayo will be fighting Beasley for the ball all the time. He wants to be a scorer 1st, preferably the 1st option. His percentages don't warrant that, but neither do Beasley's.

2nd the reason I mentioned Warrick and Childress is that's what type of contract it will take to sign Mayo. 4 yrs. min. 30 Mil.

You can overpay Shannon Brown for a year and then be done. With Mayo your stuck again. For what? A number 13 lottery pick again, maybe 10. Then you have him another three years on a continuing retooling project, that just took longer.

Mayo could avg. your 18-20, but he won't help you win much down the road. Just enough to suck not bad enough. The Suns have to take their medicine and hope for better days and continued CAP flexability next season.

Brown won't take a 1-year deal.

 

[WildBB]

Brown won't take a 1-year deal.

1 yr. for 6 Mil has been speculated.

 

[JCSunsfan]

1 yr. for 6 Mil has been speculated.

yikes. ?Thats alot for Brown. Mayo is way better.

 

[Phrazbit]

yikes. ?Thats alot for Brown. Mayo is way better.

Its a 1 year deal. Brown for 1 year 6 mil or Mayo 3-4 years 27-36 million... I'll take Brown.

Mayo is better, but not worth 70% of a max contract.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Eddie Johnson was on 620 yesterday. He had a lot of good things to say about Mayo.

 

[Griffin]

There are reports that the Celtics are pursuing Mayo for a sign-and-trade.

 

[jlove]

There are reports that the Celtics are pursuing Mayo for a sign-and-trade.

It's up to Mayo if he wants to go to the Celtics in the first place. He would have to agree to it for it to happen. As things are right now, all signs are pointing to Mayo waiting to find out if Gordon will be here or not. IMO, the Suns have a standing deal ready for Mayo to sign in preperation for a Gordon match and his agent probably has another deal for Mayo with another team (maybe Atlanta) if Gordon ends up here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Looks like most of the sg's are waiting for the Gordon chip to fall.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's up to Mayo if he wants to go to the Celtics in the first place. He would have to agree to it for it to happen. As things are right now, all signs are pointing to Mayo waiting to find out if Gordon will be here or not. IMO, the Suns have a standing deal ready for Mayo to sign in preperation for a Gordon match and his agent probably has another deal for Mayo with another team (maybe Atlanta) if Gordon ends up here.

This is a place where Mayo will get lots of minutes. KTAR is reporting that Mayo will be in Phoenix on Friday. He might be in town at the moment NOLA reaches the 72 hour mark.

hmmm. telling

 

[Superbone]

This is a place where Mayo will get lots of minutes. KTAR is reporting that Mayo will be in Phoenix on Friday. He might be in town at the moment NOLA reaches the 72 hour mark.

hmmm. telling

Ooh. Just in time for his press conference.

 

[leclerc]

Eddie Johnson was on 620 yesterday. He had a lot of good things to say about Mayo.

I have a lot of respect for EJ.

Dragic and Mayo could be good in the back court and have room to improve. If Beasley should turn out good, then add Gortat and a bruiser type PF, and all of a sudden we're not half bad. Lopez is still young if we resign him. Jared Dudley does a little of everything.

I'm feeling optimistic tonight.

 

[Covert Rain]

WTF dude, do you even watch the player?

The reason Mayo was benched is that Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the entire NBA and they did not need much offense at the position when their first options were Gasol, Randolph and Gay anyway.

Mayo is a good defender. He played good defense last year, had a DRtg of 103 which Kobe Bryant hasn't managed since 2004 for instance. Eric Gordon was always plus 110, last season does not count. Shannon Brown 108..

Playing at shooting guard Mayo allowed opponent PER of 13.3. In comparison James Harden 14.9, Kobe Bryant 11.8.

Yes and I should have added more detail to my thought. I have watched Mayo and the reason I say he is bad is because you know the Suns are going to use him the same way Memphis did. He is a combo guard who they will put on PG's as well. He is no doubt better at covering SG. He will be placed on PG on this team and he falls off the map with an 18.4 PER covering them.

Maybe I am jumping to conclusions but until the Suns actually allow guys to cover other players at their natural position....I will assume otherwise. Maybe that is not fair but the Suns have always pissed me off in this regard.

Either way Gordan is the superior defender no matter who he covers.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Yes and I should have added more detail to my thought. I have watched Mayo and the reason I say he is bad is because you know the Suns are going to use him the same way Memphis did. He is a combo guard who they will put on PG's as well. He is no doubt better at covering SG. He will be placed on PG on this team and he falls off the map with an 18.4 PER covering them.

Maybe I am jumping to conclusions but until the Suns actually allow guys to cover other players at their natural position....I will assume otherwise. Maybe that is not fair but the Suns have always pissed me off in this regard.

Either way Gordan is the superior defender no matter who he covers.

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[mojorizen7]

Why did Mayo's minutes drop so significantly from his first 2 seasons(38mpg) to only 26mpg his last 2 seasons?

 

[mojorizen7]

Yes and I should have added more detail to my thought. I have watched Mayo and the reason I say he is bad is because you know the Suns are going to use him the same way Memphis did. He is a combo guard who they will put on PG's as well. He is no doubt better at covering SG. He will be placed on PG on this team and he falls off the map with an 18.4 PER covering them.

Maybe I am jumping to conclusions but until the Suns actually allow guys to cover other players at their natural position....I will assume otherwise. Maybe that is not fair but the Suns have always pissed me off in this regard.

Either way Gordan is the superior defender no matter who he covers.

Daren,with Goran at PG why would the Suns have to regularly stick a combo guard on the opposing PG? Nash is gone and wont be a defensive liability on the floor for 30mpg anymore(thank God).

BTW yeah, its still very hard to trust the Suns in terms of doing the right thing defensively in terms of personnel and matchups.

 

[Covert Rain]

Cop Out

Maybe it is but the Suns have a rich history defensively of making it a regular habit of guarding guys out of position past and present.

Nash - Check.
Dudley - Check
Hill - Check
Marion - Check
Amare - Check
Frye - Check
Childress - Check
Morris - Check
Warrick - Check

Seriously the list goes on and on. Probably the only position on this team that has been consistent is when we have a legit center. He is a combo guard and I have no reason to think the Suns would use him any different.

Daren,with Goran at PG why would the Suns have to regularly stick a combo guard on the opposing PG?

Btw,yeah its still very hard to trust the Suns in terms of doing the right thing defensively in terms of personnel and matchups.

I admit I am probably being jaded and unfair.....I simply like you don't trust the Suns to have any kind of defensive philosophy that makes sense until I see it. I think the Suns are trying to change that image and they made strides for sure but there was still alot of the old Suns defense sprinkled in. Maybe it all changes with Nash out of the picture.

That would be my hope at least.