Marc stein: Suns to court Mayo

[NashDishesDimes]

The way Harden played in the finals last year scared me away from him a bit. It just eludes to him being more of a complimentary player than a cornerpiece. Hes young so he still may develop poise but his stock dropped in my mind because of that

 

[sunsfan88]

It will have to be part of a trade. There is no way OKC lets him walk for nothing. Their GM is as good as they come, he will flip him for value if OKC feels they cant get him under a manageable contract.

Holy crap I actually agree with something you said!

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[Griffin]

According to hoopshype, Dallas was at $50.5M before Mayo with 10 players under contract. They would also have a cap hold of about $1M for their first round pick, so that would have left them roughly $6.5M to offer to Mayo in first year. Now if they also intend on keeping Brendan Wright, then that amount would have been reduced to $5.5M. Either way, it looks like Mayo took a lot less from Dallas than what he was asking in Phoenix.

I guess now we can stop inserting Mayo's name into every conversation about how well or poorly this team will do next year.

I seriously hope the Suns don't give Brown a 4- or 5-year deal, unless it's for under $3M/year. It doesn't appear he has received interest from any other teams. I also don't want Lee here.

 

[slinslin]

So Mayo agrees to a 2yr/9M$ contract with player option and the Suns did not even make an offer but are rumored to work on a 4-5 year deal with Shannon Brown? Smart..

 

[az jam]

So Mayo agrees to a 2yr/9M$ contract with player option and the Suns did not even make an offer but are rumored to work on a 4-5 year deal with Shannon Brown? Smart..

That is damn depressing.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a link from ESPN. It looks like Mayo signed on the cheap. I wonder what Phoenix offered. There must have been some reason for the Suns to go another direction.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story...j-mayo-agrees-multiyear-deal-dallas-mavericks

 

[az jam]

Here is a link from ESPN. It looks like Mayo signed on the cheap. I wonder what Phoenix offered. There must have been some reason for the Suns to go another direction.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story...j-mayo-agrees-multiyear-deal-dallas-mavericks

I was under the impression that the Suns never offered him (Mayo) a contract.

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620
OJ Mayo came to town but Suns made no contract offer. He wants 8 mill + a year and for Phx to be interested that price has to come down.

 

[Mainstreet]

I was under the impression that the Suns never offered him (Mayo) a contract.

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620
OJ Mayo came to town but Suns made no contract offer. He wants 8 mill + a year and for Phx to be interested that price has to come down.

That's probably true but I'm sure Mayo and the Suns talked contract. Maybe the 8M dollar talk peeved the Suns FO.

 

[elindholm]

It sounds like Mayo wasn't that interested in the Suns. The Mavericks gave him only two years at modest money, and I'm sure the Suns offered more than that.

 

[Griffin]

So much for the theory that the Suns can still attract quality free agents that Babby proclaimed as soon as Gordon agreed to the offer sheet. They can, but only if they overpay. Mayo would not have played in Phoenix for $4.5M/year, even with an open starting SG spot. The Suns had to max out Gordon for him to commit and had to overpay for Dragic to get him back.

Now watch Brown get a bigger contract from the Suns than Mayo got from Dallas.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So much for the theory that the Suns can still attract quality free agents that Babby proclaimed as soon as Gordon agreed to the offer sheet. They can, but only if they overpay. Mayo would not have played in Phoenix for $4.5M/year, even with an open starting SG spot. The Suns had to max out Gordon for him to commit and had to overpay for Dragic to get him back.

not to mention they gave Beasely a nice chunk of change after he was casted off from Minnesota.

the above was my thought process as well, but I didn't want to be the first one to say for fear of being ripped and shredded as a "hater".

 

[Chaplin]

So much for the theory that the Suns can still attract quality free agents that Babby proclaimed as soon as Gordon agreed to the offer sheet. They can, but only if they overpay. Mayo would not have played in Phoenix for $4.5M/year, even with an open starting SG spot. The Suns had to max out Gordon for him to commit and had to overpay for Dragic to get him back.

Now watch Brown get a bigger contract from the Suns than Mayo got from Dallas.

Unless Mayo totally stinks it up, there's no way he'll be playing there two years. Cuban gave him the chance to showcase himself for a year and then a player option on year 2 if he wants to leave for a big payday. I doubt we would have given him that--I think the Suns probably thought he was more important. Whether he's worth 3 years guaranteed or just one with a player option for year two is up for debate.

IMO his thinking is that he'll play for 4.5 this year then turn that into 10+ next summer on a long-term deal. Different than 3 or 4 years at 7 per. Not saying that's the correct thinking, but my guess is that is where Mayo's head is at.

 

[az jam]

So much for the theory that the Suns can still attract quality free agents that Babby proclaimed as soon as Gordon agreed to the offer sheet. They can, but only if they overpay. Mayo would not have played in Phoenix for $4.5M/year, even with an open starting SG spot. The Suns had to max out Gordon for him to commit and had to overpay for Dragic to get him back.

Now watch Brown get a bigger contract from the Suns than Mayo got from Dallas.

You are making some valid points. When we had Nash, Amare and Shawn Marion, players wanted to come and be part of that team which was always considered a strong contender. Money, obviously, is always a key part of any decision but the Suns have very little to offer now except overpaying.

We are in for some hard times.

 

[Griffin]

I doubt we would have given him that--I think the Suns probably thought he was more important.

I don't see why not. It would be a very low-risk signing. If he played well, he could opt out and the Suns would get the cap space back to go after another SG, or he could pick up the option in which case the Suns would have a great trade chip. A win-win. I can't imagine Mayo asking for a two-year deal and the Suns saying no, we'd rather sign you to a longer contract.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't see why not. It would be a very low-risk signing. If he played well, he could opt out and the Suns would get the cap space back to go after another SG, or pick up the option in which case the Suns would have a great trade chip. A win-win. I can't imagine Mayo asking for a two-year deal and the Suns saying no, we'd rather sign you to a longer contract.

It's doubtful he asked for that. Mark Cuban easily could have offered that out of the blue. I can't imagine Mayo OR his agent strategizing this way from the beginning--he almost certainly was looking for a big payday. The Suns were in a holding pattern to see what other dollar offers were there--unfortunately, the Mavs approached him with this "rental" contract, and Mayo jumped on it.

And that's all it is, a rental contract. You honestly believe Mayo or his agent approached the Suns with that? I certainly don't.

 

[95pro]

Unless Mayo totally stinks it up, there's no way he'll be playing there two years. Cuban gave him the chance to showcase himself for a year and then a player option on year 2 if he wants to leave for a big payday. I doubt we would have given him that--I think the Suns probably thought he was more important. Whether he's worth 3 years guaranteed or just one with a player option for year two is up for debate.

IMO his thinking is that he'll play for 4.5 this year then turn that into 10+ next summer on a long-term deal. Different than 3 or 4 years at 7 per. Not saying that's the correct thinking, but my guess is that is where Mayo's head is at.

thats what i was thinking too. i was thinking of his contract as more of a negative way though. what if he stinks it up and they release him. his stock is going to continue to go way down.

he should have taken 7-8 for 3yrs from us, he would have a guaranteed starting job with plenty of minutes. then he would have more time to prove his stock.

but now, with a re-tooled mavs team, he only has one shot (as in one year) to get himself a big contract or an extension.

 

[binkar]

There is a possibility that Mayo met with the Suns brass and they were completely unimpressed with his character. With Beasley on board they may not have wanted to bring in another potential headache that could lead to a toxic environment. You get enough of those kind of guys and it's bound to lead to suboptimal chemistry. Telfair had a poor reputation as a teammate if I remember correctly, but seemed to be great when surrounded by great veterans like Steve and Grant last year. We no longer have those veterans. I, for one, kinda like Mayo and think people are overcritical of him, but my perspective is obviously ignorant as I'm not privy to much information with former teammates etc.

Mayo got beat up by Tony Allen in a fight that all indications are he instigated. He supposably broke a teammates jaw in college, and his team (seemingly) couldn't wait to move on from him. Taking one of these guys on is risky, but taking two on can just be ignorant or unintelligent.

 

[Griffin]

And that's all it is, a rental contract. You honestly believe Mayo or his agent approached the Suns with that? I certainly don't.

Obviously Mayo was originally looking for a more lucrative contract, but once no one offered that, and Dallas made its 2-year offer, wouldn't it be in Mayo's best interest for his agent to contact the Suns and ask if they were willing to offer a similar contract but for more money? Say $6M/year over two years with a player option? Would the Suns have not given him that if they already gave Beasley the same money for three years?

For whatever reason he chose Dallas. Maybe Cuban already promised him a big contract next year. Or maybe the idea of playing in Phoenix, without Nash and with an unproven PG, without any other superstar to draw double-teams and to get him open shots, didn't seem all that appealing after all.

 

[Joe Mama]

I can understand it although I'm surprised Mayo wasn't able to get more than that have the Mavericks on a two-year deal. If the other option is a deal for three or four years at a few million dollars less than you think you're worth you might think you can increase your value dramatically playing alongside Dirk Nowitzki.

That Shannon Brown tweet has got to be BS.

Joe

 

[Mainstreet]

There is a possibility that Mayo met with the Suns brass and they were completely unimpressed with his character. With Beasley on board they may not have wanted to bring in another potential headache that could lead to a toxic environment. You get enough of those kind of guys and it's bound to lead to suboptimal chemistry. Telfair had a poor reputation as a teammate if I remember correctly, but seemed to be great when surrounded by great veterans like Steve and Grant last year. We no longer have those veterans. I, for one, kinda like Mayo and think people are overcritical of him, but my perspective is obviously ignorant as I'm not privy to much information with former teammates etc.

Mayo got beat up by Tony Allen in a fight that all indications are he instigated. He supposably broke a teammates jaw in college, and his team (seemingly) couldn't wait to move on from him. Taking one of these guys on is risky, but taking two on can just be ignorant or unintelligent.

Who knows, but I tend to believe you are close to correct. The Suns could have showed him the money if they wanted him.

 

[Phrazbit]

I agree with Chaplin that Mayo took this deal in an effort to revitalize his image and land an eight figure contract next summer. You can bet he will be in gunner mode on the Mavs.

And as off base as I think our front office is, I highly doubt they're considering a 4 year deal for Brown. That rumor is BS. Isnt it from our paint huffing fan and him alone?

I would think our "multi-year" deal for brown is probably like... 2 years, with year 2 being an option.

I also agree that having 2 knuckleheads on one team is a very very bad idea, especially when they will both be gunning for their own stats.

 

[Chaplin]

I agree with Chaplin that Mayo took this deal in an effort to revitalize his image and land an eight figure contract next summer. You can bet he will be in gunner mode on the Mavs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't know. I have given the Suns FO credit this summer for what they have done, but it looks like they completely missed on this one. Maybe Mayo just thought that Dallas was a better situation for him to show what he has.

 

[JS22]

So Mayo agrees to a 2yr/9M$ contract with player option and the Suns did not even make an offer but are rumored to work on a 4-5 year deal with Shannon Brown? Smart..

99% chance there was some sort of "hush hush" deal under the table. In other words, take this contract now and we'll reward you with a nice fat extension once we free up some cash.

 

[JS22]

Shannon Brown is a career backup. The fact that no other teams are interested in him should tell you something. I don't like this move at all.

I agree that he is a backup. Although I'll admit that stretch he had towards the end of the season once he got starter minutes was pretty impressive.