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Nah, just ask Slin, he sucks.
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Nah, just ask Slin, he sucks.
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Dwight Howard is the clear cut #1 center. After him, it's anyone's game. Bynum has the tools to be that #2 guy, but he's had trouble staying healthy and he's not consistent. Right now, Gortat is right up there with a lot of other pretty good centers... Marc Gasol, Al Jefferson (not a true center, but listed as one), JaVale McGee, Roy Hibbert, Tim Duncan, Greg Monroe (whose numbers are also probably inflated by how horrible the Pistons are), Tyson Chandler, etc.
You can make a case for any of those guys to be #3... that's pretty good company to be in & Gortat has to be one of the best centers we've ever had on the Suns.
You can make a case for any of those guys to be #3... that's pretty good company to be in & Gortat has to be one of the best centers we've ever had on the Suns.
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I would say, 2 starters and a bunch of 9-12 guys.
BC867
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And that's with playing with one hand for a good part of the season so far.
I wonder where he'd fit since the splint came off.
I was going to bring that up but forgot to add that. It's a good point. He has not been 100% healthy and I wonder if his numbers would be slightly better.
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I don't think so. I believe we have 4 guys besides Nash and Gortat that could each start on a championship team. The problem is, they aren't starting on a championship team. Three of them are starting alongside 2 good (but not great) players and that makes for a bad mix. Dudley, Hill, Frye and Morris could all be good fits alongside the right group of players but that's one player at a time. Starting three of them is just asking for trouble and it makes each of them look less effective than they really are.
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OK. I don't think Dudley is a starter on a championship team, or even a good playoff team. He is a decent 6-8 energy guy.
Frye? Well that's another matter. Last year's Frye is a decent starter. This year? Yuck.
Morris is still unproven, but from what I have seen, I want him starting now and believe he would be a good starter on a good team, as long as he is not expected to by "the guy" on that team.
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But notice I'm talking about a championship caliber squad. Even the great teams usually have a starter that is more of a glue guy, someone that does the little things. Exchange Dudley with Bowen for example and I think the Spurs still win their championships. Add him to the Miami team as a starter and he's a plus. On our team, as a starter, he's a liability because he's surrounded by at least 2 other guys that are similarly capable.
I think Frye will continue to disappoint this season for the same reason we're harping on Dudley and Hill. They are each good enough to be our 5th best starter but not much more. Nash and Gortat compared to other teams 2 best players is somewhere around average plus for the league. But we don't have a number 3 or number 4 guy nor do we have a true sparkplug off the bench. We have a bunch of number 5's.
As for Morris, I think he'll start when he gets a grasp of how to stay on the court without picking up silly fouls.
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Hey jagu, it's a good thing no one on this board blasted the Polish Hammer since he arrived last season, huh. No one except almost everyone except the two of us. It is nice to know that our gut feelings were right on.
Gortat with 24 points and 12 boards vs. the Celtics, which led both teams in those categories. The top Celtic scorer had 14 points and their top rebounder had 6. Star of the game.
edukator1
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Realy amaizing game by gortat
And i'm just wondering,do you know who has the most d-d in a row in suns history?
And i'm just wondering,do you know who has the most d-d in a row in suns history?
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Realy amaizing game by gortat
And i'm just wondering,do you know who has the most d-d in a row in suns history?
I am not sure, but it's most likely Barkley or Nash.
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Hey jagu, it's a good thing no one on this board blasted the Polish Hammer since he arrived last season, huh. No one except almost everyone except the two of us. It is nice to know that our gut feelings were right on.
Gortat with 24 points and 12 boards vs. the Celtics, which led both teams in those categories. The top Celtic scorer had 14 points and their top rebounder had 6. Star of the game.
That's just not true. Perhaps you're confusing arguments. You might have been in a distinct minority when you ranted about Gortat not starting but many of us liked the guy from the moment he arrived.
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Hey jagu, it's a good thing no one on this board blasted the Polish Hammer since he arrived last season, huh. No one except almost everyone except the two of us. It is nice to know that our gut feelings were right on.
Gortat with 24 points and 12 boards vs. the Celtics, which led both teams in those categories. The top Celtic scorer had 14 points and their top rebounder had 6. Star of the game.
I don't know what you're talking about. Almost everyone was happy to have him come to PHX. (Aside from Slin, who still tries to include him in every trade proposal he comes up with.)
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Who should really be called out on Marcin are the 30 General Managers that passed on him in the 1st round of the draft.
Why was he drafted so late?
Just asking, really don't know.
Why was he drafted so late?
Just asking, really don't know.
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He was an unknown Euro. Also, big men develop slower. He spent years on the bench behind DHoward, but going against him in practice all the time.
I don't blame GM's for that one.
Also, he seems to have a work ethic and a desire to improve. He has a strong, body and good coordination. Gortat also seems amazingly healthy with very little injury issues. We would be fools to trade him.
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Fun fact: The SUNS drafted him and traded him for Cash, who is yet to suit up.
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I've heard Cash has been working out for Suns and I understand Sarver believes he may have the most potential of anyone on the roster.
I understand 2012 FA money will be invested in Cash.
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And to think if they would have been patient and waited to sign Melo in the offseason, they could be trotting out a line-up of Felton, Chandler, Galinari, Anthony, and Stoudemire with Fields, Mosgov, and perhaps Shumpert off the bench.
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Gortat is now a top 2 center in the West imo. I hope he makes the all star game this year.
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What really happened is that Melo forced the whole deal. Surely he wanted New York but he did not want to take a pay cut either. If New York does not make that deal he could still be in Denver. That is why Dolan pulled the trigger on the deal. The Knicks got raped becaucse Denver worked them and Melo wanted to make the same in New York as he would by still remaining in Denver. If he just became a free agent this summer he would have had to sign with the Knicks for a shorter deal worth less each year.
Hey jagu, it's a good thing no one on this board blasted the Polish Hammer since he arrived last season, huh. No one except almost everyone except the two of us. It is nice to know that our gut feelings were right on.
Gortat with 24 points and 12 boards vs. the Celtics, which led both teams in those categories. The top Celtic scorer had 14 points and their top rebounder had 6. Star of the game.
You must not have read the boards that often. Many of us were saying Gortat was the real deal. I had many a debates with one slinslin about how irrational his thoughts were about the guy and his unwavering support of Lopez.
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When I think of Carmelo Anthony I often think of Rashard Lewis. Both are vastly overpaid for what they bring to the table.
Yep. I had huge expectations for Gortat from day one. And you know what? He's living up to them.
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Forgetting about their salary for a minute. I always thought Rashard would have been a nice piece to add to our roster at the right price.
Price is not the issue with Carmelo. I really do not understand why any teammate would want to play with him.
What did he accomplish in Denver?
They had a lot of very good players around him and a great coach and only one year went to the WCF.
Dolan did not make a basketball trade. He traded to get a personality.
