Marcin Gortat

[Mainstreet]

Morris has really struggled offensively since being put in the starting lineup. He is still putting up solid rebounding numbers when he isn't immediately called for multiple ticky-tack fouls because he's a rookie.

I know Frye hasn't been playing any better so we don't have a ton of options. Probably the biggest challenge for Morris is that he's on the scouting report now & teams don't give him open looks at 3's anymore. He doesn't have a strong post game yet & doesn't finish well around the rim. Occasionally he'll fly in for a follow dunk off a missed shot, but it seems like he needs some momentum to elevate high enough to get above the rim.

The point I was making, under Sarver, the Suns do not draft well when they elect to draft.

It worries me that Morris might follow that tradition solely based upon the Suns recent draft history, nothing more. I hope Morris does not fall under the spell of ghosts past.

 

[Covert Rain]

3 yrs 10M$ would be fair for Lopez but obviously there is no point accepting that because he might get more in the FA market.

If that stiff can get 10 mil it's just further proof Gortat will get paid.

 

[slinslin]

If that stiff can get 10 mil it's just further proof Gortat will get paid.

Who disputes that?

Gortat will clearly opt out after next year and turns 30 in the next season and ask for something around 5yrs and $60-70M. I would not be willing to invest that before we have assembled a stock of young cheap talent.

 

[jagu]

I love how Slinslin assumes we could get something for Gortat. We will never get something better in value for Gortat.

 

[Folster]

Who disputes that?

Gortat will clearly opt out after next year and turns 30 in the next season and ask for something around 5yrs and $60-70M. I would not be willing to invest that before we have assembled a stock of young cheap talent.

Again. Where are you showing that Gortat has an opt out? Hoopshype does not show a player option or a team option. It shows that he is signed through the 2013-14 season. Do you have a source that shows this player option?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

 

[jagu]

The Suns have a legit center for the first time and slinslin is trading him everyday. He's about one of the few bright spots on this crappy team. Leave him alone.

 

[slinslin]

Again. Where are you showing that Gortat has an opt out? Hoopshype does not show a player option or a team option. It shows that he is signed through the 2013-14 season. Do you have a source that shows this player option?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

Hoopshype is inaccurate and outdated.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/Phoenix.htm

 

[dziki]

Well, it`s kinda entertaining to read all of those word-fights between slin and the rest of the world.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hoopshype is inaccurate and outdated.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/Phoenix.htm

Hoopsworld does not show an ETO on Gortat for 2013-14 either. However, if true, the Suns should be able to offer Gortat more money under "Early Bird Rights."

 

[Covert Rain]

Gortat does not have a player option. He is under contract until he becomes RFA. Rotoworld and at least 3 other sites I have checked all say he does not have a player option.

Either way slinslin is still insane. He is a legit center in his prime that the Suns MUST resign.

 

[jagu]

21 and 12 tonight!! I don't care who the PG is, if you aren't a talented C you can't keep up this production on a nightly basis.

 

[Covert Rain]

21 and 12 tonight!! I don't care who the PG is, if you aren't a talented C you can't keep up this production on a nightly basis.

NAH....didn't you hear? Gimmicks can rip off 9 straight double doubles and be one of the leading centers in double doubles, rebounds and increase a teams overall center stats from bottom feeders to the best in the league.

 

[BC867]

Way more than a handful of teams have a legit center.

Howard, Hibbert, Bynum, Gasol, Cousins, Monroe, Bogut, Hawes, Jordan, Chandler, Noah, Dalembert I could probably name more legit centers that are right up there in the conversation.

So because you cited twelve teams with legit Centers, we should throw away ours? You actually made a good argument for us being one of the lucky thirteen. For a change!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Exactly...it's not Amare's fault that they built a completely misguided squad around him. Melo and Amare on the same team is just stupid. Further, for all the bellyaching about his health, he was healthy for the majority of last year despite being run into the ground by D'A, and it's hard to argue he'd be any less effective here playing with Nash. They were the perfect pick and roll combo.

I think it's a little early to crow about what a good decision it was to get rid of Amare, especially considering how much more entertaining last year/this year would be with him.

Gortat and Nash are turning into a a very good pick and roll combo. The main difference is that Gortat rebounds and plays solid defense.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Gortat and Nash are turning into a a very good pick and roll combo. The main difference is that Gortat rebounds and plays solid defense.

What does this have to do with what I posted?

 

[jbeecham]

What does this have to do with what I posted?

It would be nice to have both Amare & Gortat running pick & rolls with Nash all game long. There would be a nightly battle to see who can get the most dunks. Plus they can both nail a 15-18ft jumper when the lane collapses on the other guy rolling to the basket. Sure there would've been some spacing issues, but they would have been a deadly combo once they got those worked out.

If only Amare had faith in his own health...

 

[jagu]

Gortat

20+ in last 4 games with rebounding totals of 16,15,7,15.

Beast. He's like a poor man's Nikola Pekovic.

Would Josh Smith look good with Gortat as the C-PF combo? Just a thought. I'm tired of Channing Fried.

 

[slinslin]

It would be nice to have both Amare & Gortat running pick & rolls with Nash all game long. There would be a nightly battle to see who can get the most dunks. Plus they can both nail a 15-18ft jumper when the lane collapses on the other guy rolling to the basket. Sure there would've been some spacing issues, but they would have been a deadly combo once they got those worked out.

If only Amare had faith in his own health...

You can't run pick and rolls all game long. If you could Gortat would have huge scoring games.

 

[slinslin]

Gortat

20+ in last 4 games with rebounding totals of 16,15,7,15.

Beast. He's like a poor man's Nikola Pekovic.

Would Josh Smith look good with Gortat as the C-PF combo? Just a thought. I'm tired of Channing Fried.

He also played over 40 minutes each of those games and 33 in the 7 rebound game.

Gortat averages 17/11 56% in 36mpg in february.
Pekovic averages 17/10.5 57% in 32mpg in february.

 

[edukator1]

Summarizing in few worlds:
-Gortat sucks like always and we should trade him for i don't know....
EVERYTHING what's we can get because his too old (28) and of course...
He's playing great just because he has Nash as a PG

-Pekovic:
Master,god,unprecedented definitely better than Gortat

 

[dziki]

50th double-double in his career, 20th this season.

Pekovic vs Gortat ^^ some stats.

1. Field Goals.
FG %
Pekovic 126 out of 216 shots --> 0.583 % (2nd in NBA)
Gortat 230 out of 410 shots --> 0.561 % (3rd in NBA)
but 1st Chandler has 133/188 (0.707 %). So both - Tyson and Nikola - made around half of Gortat`s shots.

FG made/attempted:
Gortat attempted 410 2pts shots. It is the 41st position in NBA. Pekovic`s 216 2pointers locate him on 158th position in NBA.
In the same time Gortat made 230 2 pts. He is 17th in overall ranking. Meanwhile Pekovic, with 126 shots is on 102nd place.

Gortat is averaging 15.9 pts per game, Pekovic - 12.5.

2. Assists/Blocks/Steals
Gortat has 1 assist per game, 0.8 steal and 1.6 block. Pekovic 0.4, 0.7 and 0.8.

3. Turnovers/Fouls
Gortat has 1.5 TO per game, Pekovic 2.16. Actually that`s one of maximum 4/5 categories where Pekovic can be consider as a part of "top 50" in this league.

With 2.15 fouls per game Gortat is still better than Pekovic (2.4).

4. FT %
Just to show that Pekovic has one better statistic then Gortat - 0.779 % of FT and 0.672 %, respectively.

5. Rebounds
Gortat is averaging 10.4 rbs per game. Pekovic 7.2.

Gortat is 8th in the league. Pekovic around 33th.

Marcin has had 355 rebounds. Pekovic 181.
Marcin in defense grabbed 265 balls, Pekovic 78.
In offense Pekovic grabbed impressive 103 balls, Marcin 90 (respectively 15th and 24th in the league).

6. Double-doubles.
Marcin with 20 d-d is 4th in the league. Pekovic with 9 is 27th.

 

[slinslin]

None of the stats you posted mean anything. Pekovic is a 2nd year plazer and did not get minutes at the beginning of the season like he gets now so your volume stats are a farce. Since he is starting he produces basically the same numbers as Gortat in less minutes, on a better team, on less assisted baskets.

CREATED = [PTS - (PTS * %AST)] + (2 * AST)

Without further ado, here are your 2012 Phoenix Suns, by this measurement. Keep in mind these numbers are per 36 minutes, so they project totals as if all players had the same number of minutes.

TEAM Player POS PTS

UNAST

PTS


AST

PTS
AST CREATED
PHO Steve Nash PG 15.9 13.1 2.8 12.4 37.92
PHO Sebastian Telfair PG 11.5 9.0 2.5 4.7 18.37
PHO Ronnie Price PG 8.9 5.7 3.2 5.0 15.70
PHO Hakim Warrick PF 16.4 7.7 8.7 2.0 11.74
PHO Michael Redd SG 19.1 6.2 12.9 1.8 9.85
PHO Grant Hill SF 12.4 3.4 9.0 2.6 8.65
PHO Shannon Brown SG 15.3 5.4 9.9 1.5 8.45
PHO Jared Dudley SF 13.9 3.6 10.3 2.1 7.77
PHO Markieff Morris PF 14.0 4.1 9.9 1.8 7.66
PHO Josh Childress SF 7.1 2.7 4.4 2.4 7.46
PHO Channing Frye C 14.0 3.7 10.3 1.6 6.85
PHO Robin Lopez C 12.4 5.1 7.3 0.7 6.47
PHO Marcin Gortat C 17.0 3.4 13.6 1.0 5.38

If you compute the stats like this, Gortat is dead last on the team in creating point for himself or teammates.

 

[edukator1]

Slinslin I know.
As a pole and it's very likely that my judgment (when we are talking about Gortat) can by a little inequitable but seriously are you really think that Marcin must dribble ball for all court make some kobe moves and finishes action whit 2+1?
And by the way Gortat DOESN'T CREATING POINTS FOR HIMSELF ?!!
Did you saw last few games,god lord it isn't so bad as you said...
Jumps shots,hooks shots,"machine shakes"and of course pick and rolls whit Nash.....
I think that is good enough to be a one of the beast centers in the business soooo....












TRADE HIM QUICKLY !!!!

 

[Errntknght]

Peckovic is in his second season averaging 24 mpg while Gortat is in his fifth averaging 33 mpg. Peck is playing more and more time as the season goes along so he'll close the gap on rebounding as they rebound close to each other on a per48 basis - and thats competing with Love for rebounds.

If he can avoid major injury problems I would say its very likely that Peckovic will emerge a full notch ahead of Marcin on the offensive end and perhaps a better defensive rebounder - he's already well ahead as an offensive rebounder.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I am not a huge Gortat fan but he is pretty damn good and can play on my team any day.

We have far more problems to deal with than Marcin.