Marcus golden leading rookie Olb class

[BigRedRage]

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[cardncubfan]

Good to hear. Also there is a good article on DJ Humphries on the Cardinals site. They say he's progressing nicely.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Good to hear. Also there is a good article on DJ Humphries on the Cardinals site. They say he's progressing nicely.

Are you saying that it's possible some fans may have overreacted about our recent draft class because none of them were hall-of-famers after training camp?

 

[football karma]

Good to hear. Also there is a good article on DJ Humphries on the Cardinals site. They say he's progressing nicely.

Progression can only be measured in a game, but I also found it encouraging

The most encouraging thing was him asking his coach what he had to do to get playing time. At a minimum, it says he cares and wants to play.

 

[Shane]

Are you saying that it's possible some fans may have overreacted about our recent draft class because none of them were hall-of-famers after training camp?

A Koolaid article written by the team cronies amounts to a whole bunch of crap. Just sayin

 

[overseascardfan]

I think "QB pressures" are a very misleading stat. It's like your close but not close enough. QB's can evade pressures and still make plays, but TFL & sacks are the real measures for productivity. Those stats mean you made plays to stop an offense. ARZ was able to pressure Big Ben in the SB but no one could bring him down when it counted on the game winning drive, ARZ's lack of a pass rush has really been evident in the first 6 games and have prevented them from being a dominant defense.

 

[Shane]

I think "QB pressures" are a very misleading stat. It's like your close but not close enough. QB's can evade pressures and still make plays, but TFL & sacks are the real measures for productivity. Those stats mean you made plays to stop an offense. ARZ was able to pressure Big Ben in the SB but no one could bring him down when it counted on the game winning drive, ARZ's lack of a pass rush has really been evident in the first 6 games and have prevented them from being a dominant defense.

Don't tell that to Bucky who expects Freeny to take us to another level based in his "pressures" last year

 

[pinetopred]

If you move a qb off his spot that matters sacks are great but making someone make a decision when they aren't expecting it usually just as good as a sack we have failed on the backend of our defense in a scamble situation jmo

 

[BigRedRage]

Good to hear. Also there is a good article on DJ Humphries on the Cardinals site. They say he's progressing nicely.

Yeah but that is a cardinals Fluff piece and coaches praise. It's nice to hear the coaches turn a corner on him but goldens love is from measurable stats.

Humphreys was always a future pick either way

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[BigRedRage]

I think "QB pressures" are a very misleading stat. It's like your close but not close enough. QB's can evade pressures and still make plays, but TFL & sacks are the real measures for productivity. Those stats mean you made plays to stop an offense. ARZ was able to pressure Big Ben in the SB but no one could bring him down when it counted on the game winning drive, ARZ's lack of a pass rush has really been evident in the first 6 games and have prevented them from being a dominant defense.

Pressures also mean making there qb move, duck and dodge. They are not as important as tfl or sacks but it is important

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[Goldfield]

If you move a qb off his spot that matters sacks are great but making someone make a decision when they aren't expecting it usually just as good as a sack we have failed on the backend of our defense in a scamble situation jmo

Pressure is a good thing but if you give the option of letting the qb throw the ball under pressure or sack him. I take the sack every time.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Are you saying that it's possible some fans may have overreacted about our recent draft class because none of them were hall-of-famers after training camp?

Your 1st rd pick should not be a healthy scratch week in and week out: He's progressing: big deal. So he goes from UDFA level production to 6th round pick...what a job.

 

[BigRedRage]

Your 1st rd pick should not be a healthy scratch week in and week out: He's progressing: big deal. So he goes from UDFA level production to 6th round pick...what a job.

He will either be a backup or starter next year, active every game unless injured. Bank on it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

"pressures" matter alot with this group of defensive backs.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Your 1st rd pick should not be a healthy scratch week in and week out: He's progressing: big deal. So he goes from UDFA level production to 6th round pick...what a job.

That's a ridiculous assessment. Would it make you feel better if he was active and still not playing? Or does it make sense to de-activate him and dress a guy who can play special teams and actually help you win a game?

Either way, DJ isn't playing. Why waste a game day spot?

 

[overseascardfan]

He will either be a backup or starter next year, active every game unless injured. Bank on it.

If not a starter next year it's a bad pick for Round 1 especially when there are other players that we could have took that are playing this year (Kendricks). STL is starting 2 rookies on their OL and although Foles has been sacked 11 times in 6 games, the rookies are not solely to blame.

Point being ARZ had other needs they could have filled at #24 that could have helped them this year.

 

[Harry]

If I recall correctly Freeney had 53 pressures last year to go along with his 3.5 snaps and yet wasn't re-signed. I have to side with the group that says closing the deal is what really counts.

 

[BigRedRage]

If not a starter next year it's a bad pick for Round 1 especially when there are other players that we could have took that are playing this year (Kendricks). STL is starting 2 rookies on their OL and although Foles has been sacked 11 times in 6 games, the rookies are not solely to blame.

Point being ARZ had other needs they could have filled at #24 that could have helped them this year.

I expect him to be starter next year but he has to earn it. Yes we could have taken someone else but it is always a crapshoot and with MAssie leaving, this FO is very focused on OL.

Remember how many years we would never draft top level OL? I am ok with the new style.

 

[cardsfanmd]

That's a ridiculous assessment. Would it make you feel better if he was active and still not playing? Or does it make sense to de-activate him and dress a guy who can play special teams and actually help you win a game?

What I would like/expect is for a first round LT to be able to immediately beat out Bradley Sowell.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What I would like/expect is for a first round LT to be able to immediately beat out Bradley Sowell.

Agree and I think if a major injury occurred DJ would be put in the lineup before Sowell and give him a week of prep time.

However, on game day the coaches are probably more comfortable with Sowell right now because he can play both tackles, knows the system better, and probably would minimize any communication errors, which is what you'd want in an emergency back up situation.

 

[CardinalMan]

Agree and I think if a major injury occurred DJ would be put in the lineup before Sowell and give him a week of prep time.

However, on game day the coaches are probably more comfortable with Sowell right now because he can play both tackles, knows the system better, and probably would minimize any communication errors, which is what you'd want in an emergency back up situation.

A rational analysis and can be understood by anyone. Good job.

 

[overseascardfan]

I expect him to be starter next year but he has to earn it. Yes we could have taken someone else but it is always a crapshoot and with MAssie leaving, this FO is very focused on OL.

Remember how many years we would never draft top level OL? I am ok with the new style.

Well if you feel that way, what about the CB situation next year? Both Powers and Bethel are UFA's but we didn't address it this year.

I agree OL is very important but the point of a 1st round pick is to take someone that will make an immediate impact or BPA, Humphries was neither.

Who would you rather have right now, Eric Kendricks/Thompson/Kikaha or Humphries?

 

[frankeegee1]

Well, maybe that is your criteria for taking a first round pick and not BASK?☺ And maybe they think he was bpa, or whatever?

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[Cheesebeef]

A rational analysis and can be understood by anyone. Good job.

I'm not sure how rational it is to say Sowell can actually play either T position or that he would be a better communicator. The guy has been atrocious in every way as a player and if a 1st round pick can't beat him out, that's concerning at the very least. I mean, we're not talking about a guy off the street being better then Sowell. We're talking about someone we believed to be one the best players in the draft.

 

[BigRedRage]

Well if you feel that way, what about the CB situation next year? Both Powers and Bethel are UFA's but we didn't address it this year.

I agree OL is very important but the point of a 1st round pick is to take someone that will make an immediate impact or BPA, Humphries was neither.

Who would you rather have right now, Eric Kendricks/Thompson/Kikaha or Humphries?

Captain hindsight is always an easy job to excel in. We have who we have and we will be better off next year because of it. There are other guys I wanted and other guys who are doing well but we saw a top shelf future pick in a position that will be a need moving forward and took it. I am not upset about it.

As far as CB, I am assuming we keep bethel, let powers walk or get him on the cheap and draft another CB.