Markelle Fultz

[JCSunsfan]

This little interaction is my big problem. I have no problem with hyping your favorite between Fultz and Ball. But the criticisms seem petty at times.

Ball's "winning" is probably over-hyped.
Fultz's "losing" is probably under-hyped.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'm really hoping the team(s) in front of us pass on Fultz because of Washington's record.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

James Harden took ASU, of all teams, to the big dance without much talent

 

[GatorAZ]

James Harden took ASU, of all teams, to the big dance without much talent

IIRC they won more conference games the next year after losing Harden and Pendergraph.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm kinda curious now, I wonder how many top 3 picks over the last 5-10 years were on bad college teams and how their doing now.

 

[slinslin]

James Harden took ASU, of all teams, to the big dance without much talent

Not a 18 yr old frehman and still much more talent than Washington had.

Washington did not have a single senior or even junior in their rotation , only 2 guys on the roster were barely ranked top150 in their classes by rivals, only 1 was ranked by ESPN and a few were completely unrated even.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not a 18 yr old frehman and still much more talent than Washington had.

Washington did not have a single senior or even junior in their rotation , only 2 guys on the roster were barely ranked top150 in their classes by rivals, only 1 was ranked by ESPN and a few were completely unrated even.

Didn't they have a kid who was rated the #1 overall pick in the draft?

 

[slinslin]

Well Jeff Pendergraph was a senior and the first player picked in the 2nd round of the NBA draft.

I'll take that alone over the collection of Fultz teammates at Washington.

 

[Russ Smith]

James Harden took ASU, of all teams, to the big dance without much talent

and CJ McCollum took Lehigh of all places to the dance his junior year and then scored or assistsed on more than half his teams points 30 and 6 assists out of 75 points, in an upset of a Duke team that had I think 7 McDonalds All Americans on it.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[JCSunsfan]

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Something looks wrong with Markelle in that photo. Yikes.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

James Harden took ASU, of all teams, to the big dance without much talent

You really should do some research here. Not comparable

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Okay, I had slight worries about the lack of success his Washington team had. But this quote from a nba scout is horrifying:

"I’ve talked to friends who recruited him, and they said even when they watched him in open gyms or playing AAU, his team hardly ever won. That scares the crap out of me.”

 

[Chaplin]

He's apparently scheduled a workout with Sacramento today -- makes you think. Are the Celtics looking at trading the #1 to Sacramento for the #5, #10 and some other asset?

 

[JCSunsfan]

He's apparently scheduled a workout with Sacramento today -- makes you think. Are the Celtics looking at trading the #1 to Sacramento for the #5, #10 and some other asset?

That is really odd. Why would he work out for Sacramento? 5 and 10 would not be enough. What other asset would make it worth it. Boston does not need numbers of players.

 

[Finito]

That's pretty odd basketball more than any of the major sports can be affected by one guy.

 

[Russ Smith]

Something looks wrong with Markelle in that photo. Yikes.

I'm guessing it's a misleading photo where he looks bigger than he really is. If he's THAT big something is wrong, you don't bulk up that much since the season ended.

 

[Russ Smith]

Fultz apparently shot very poorly in his Celtics workout. Goes back to something I said before he's a guy who's had a pro trainer for ages, what I read is that the Celtics saw pretty quickly he was well prepared in all the standard drills so they stopped it and started to just mix things up and it completely flustered him and he really shot worse than expected. They will still probably pick him but it's one of those things where a smart GM picked up quickly on what was going on and said let's see how he looks out of his comfort zone.

 

[Hoop Head]

He's still the projected #1 pick but the attitude towards him has changed a lot since the lottery drawing to now, and will probably continue to downgrade him until draft night. I don't see it being enough to drop him out of the spot but things could get interesting. I'd be surprised if Boston picks him and keeps him though. I don't see him being the answer to their problems or even helping them that much. Boston could be the worst fit for him of all of the teams at the top of the draft. The value of the #1 overall pick to take him, or Ball, Jackson, or Fox, seems to be dropping. I know there were rumors that the Celtics could move the #1 pick to bring in an All Star like Butler or George but now the #1 pick alone probably wouldn't be enough to do that, they'd have to include some other assets to do that.

He's apparently scheduled a workout with Sacramento today -- makes you think. Are the Celtics looking at trading the #1 to Sacramento for the #5, #10 and some other asset?

They could make that deal, maybe getting a couple future 1st's from Sacramento also. The Kings don't have any talent that you'd think would interest Boston so that's why I think they'd want more picks in return. Since the lottery drawing I've heard that the Celtics are most interested in Tatum. He's projected to be one of the most NBA ready prospects and he'd provide Boston with scoring on the wing, which they need. He should be available at #5 for them also if they traded with Sacramento. He'd definitely be a reach at #1 and that could throw everything off on draft night if they selected Tatum #1. I don't see Ainge making a move like that, he seems to be able to deal better than just about any GM in the league and if they took Tatum at #1 that would be a fail for Boston if only because they could find a way to get him and more by swinging a deal, like with the Kings for #5 & #10 plus more, possibly. They don't need multiple rookies so I could see them packaging #10 right away to bring in someone else. They have so many assets like the Brooklyn pick next year and a slew of young players with value on rookie deals they should be able to find a way to bring in more talent than what they could select with the #10 pick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Fultz apparently shot very poorly in his Celtics workout. Goes back to something I said before he's a guy who's had a pro trainer for ages, what I read is that the Celtics saw pretty quickly he was well prepared in all the standard drills so they stopped it and started to just mix things up and it completely flustered him and he really shot worse than expected. They will still probably pick him but it's one of those things where a smart GM picked up quickly on what was going on and said let's see how he looks out of his comfort zone.

that kid has Steve Francis-like bust written ALL OVER HIM.

I truly don't get the hype.

 

[Hoop Head]

that kid has Steve Francis-like bust written ALL OVER HIM.

I truly don't get the hype.

I think most people see him like a Steve Francis, someone who can be marketed as a star and he'll put up good stats but he'll lead his team nowhere. The sort of "star" power or marketability is what is keeping him at the top of the draft. He may have the best rookie season in terms of numbers but I'd be surprised if he's the best player from this draft class in 2-3 years.

 

[overseascardfan]

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that kid has Steve Francis-like bust written ALL OVER HIM.

I truly don't get the hype.

Is this sarcasm? Francis averaged 18/6/5.5 over a 10 year career. No where near a bust.

 

[Hoop Head]

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Is this sarcasm? Francis averaged 18/6/5.5 over a 10 year career. No where near a bust.

They were empty stats. He never led a team anywhere despite being nicknamed "The Franchise". He played similar to how Melo does in NY except he was supposed to be a PG. He didn't make his teams or teammates better. Once he was moved away from Houston and Yao it was apparent that he wasn't a "franchise" type player.

 

[Russ Smith]

that kid has Steve Francis-like bust written ALL OVER HIM.

I truly don't get the hype.

I don't think he'll be a bust but I do think it's interesting that teams are looking at stuff like that. You hear about that with QB workouts in the NFL, they're so scripted that teams will often want a private workout so they can tell what a guy can do off a script making throws he hasn't been drilling to do for months.

Sounds like Boston did the same thing with Fultz.

Allegedly the Lakers people were saying Lonzo Ball wasn't in as good a shape as they expected and apparently were told it was because he was recovering from the hamstring injury in the NCAA's. That is apparently unconfirmed and would actually concern me if that injury lingered that long.

I still think they're going 1 and 2 but it's that time before the draft where all the "flaws" are coming out.

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW there's a guy who every now and then posts on BRO (UCLA site) but he's a UW fan and connected to the UW Scout.com site. He's saying now that he thinks Fultz is getting too much heat for how bad UW was. But he's saying it in an interesting way, saying people are saying he didn't make teammates better but the real issue was that UW had not enough talent and terrible team chemistry. What's interesting is what apparently was behind the chemistry issues, the perception on the team that Romar was favoring Fultz, and that the same thing was going to happen the next year with then committed Porter Jr.

That is there was resentment on the team that Romar was essentially trying to showcase Fultz and that the rest of the team was going to be buried next year with the recruiting class he brought in.