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You and Nixon!
My mom also went to a Quaker school - Earlham in Indiana - the Fighting Quakers......oxymoron if there ever was one.
Marquette.... WTF?!?!?!
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You and Nixon!
My mom also went to a Quaker school - Earlham in Indiana - the Fighting Quakers......oxymoron if there ever was one.
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lol thanks for the laugh Wendy...
What is an all-teacher's college by the way? Where all the students are majoring in education or something?
thirty-two said:
Yupper. It was like that way until the 60s. Now we have Colleges of Engineering, Communication, Business, Liberal Arts and Sciences, Fine and Performing Arts and, yes, Education but we are still all Profs.
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I PRAY THAT THEY CHANGE IT BACK TO GOLDEN EAGLES!! (but im not holding my breath)
MU board regroups amid Gold outcry
Trustees to discuss response to nickname
By DON WALKER
[email protected]
Posted: May 10, 2005
The Marquette University Board of Trustees has scheduled an emergency meeting today to review the flood of angry e-mails, letters and phone calls from concerned alumni, faculty and students upset over last week's decision to adopt Gold as the school's nickname.
Trustee John J. Stollenwerk, president and CEO of the Allen-Edmonds Shoe Corp., wrote an e-mail to a friend expressing his concern about the process the board took to adopt Gold.
Rana Altenburg, Marquette's vice president for public affairs, confirmed the meeting. She said she did not know whether the trustees would consider dropping the Gold nickname and adopting a new one.
Rather, she said, the board is getting together "because they want to review the communications from students, alumni, faculty and other stakeholders regarding the decision."
"All of the individuals on our board have a very strong commitment to this institution," Altenburg said. "Our trustees feel very deeply about Marquette. As part of that commitment, they want to pay careful attention to the concerns of all Marquette stakeholders."
Some trustees live in the Milwaukee area but others live in other parts of the country. Altenburg said out-of-town trustees would listen in on a teleconference call. She said she did not know if the school planned to issue a statement after the meeting concludes.
"Their agenda is to have a discussion together about the communications from all of the stakeholders," she said. "It's been almost a week since they met. They want to make sure they are paying attention to everyone's concerns. We care about our alumni and our students. We want to be mindful of how people are reacting to this situation. All of the trustees feel the same way."
The news of the meeting came as some cracks started to appear among the board, at least one trustee. In that case, John J. Stollenwerk, president and CEO of the Allen-Edmonds Shoe Corp. and a prominent trustee, wrote an e-mail to a friend expressing his concern about the process the board took to adopt Gold.
The existence and contents of the e-mail were confirmed by a source familiar with the board's decision-making. The e-mail was first reported Monday on the "Mark Belling Late Afternoon Show" on WISN-AM (1130). The same day, Marquette officials told the Journal Sentinel that the WISN report was not true.
In the e-mail to the unidentified friend, Stollenwerk said he hoped the board would rescind its decision regarding Gold in the context of his concern that the process did not include all members of the Marquette community.
The e-mail was forwarded to Father Robert A. Wild, the university president, the source said.
Wild was not available for comment. Stollenwerk did not return several phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.
Generally, trustees have declined to return phone calls, or referred reporters' questions to the university's public affairs office.
The new meeting comes exactly one week after the trustees voted to pass on bringing back the Warriors nickname, drop the Golden Eagles and settle on Gold. For the trustees, the word "Gold" was a nickname they thought represented the old and new traditions of the school's sports teams.
But the reaction from students, faculty and alumni was immediate and nearly all negative. With Web sites exhorting students and alumni to protest, the university was bombarded by e-mails, calls and letters protesting the decision to adopt Gold. Many upset alumni argued that Marquette had become a national joke both for the nickname and the way the trustees decided the matter.
The reaction to Gold was overwhelmingly negative, but others were upset trustees decided against bringing back the old Warriors nickname.
Despite the outcry, university officials said late last week that they were sticking with Gold and moved to conduct focus groups on how best to proceed.
On Friday, more than 100 students shouted at Wild in a protest at the Alumni Memorial Union. On Saturday, Wild and John F. Bergstrom, the chairman of the board of trustees, met with a large group of students in a meeting that was closed to reporters.
On Sunday, the Journal Sentinel reported that Wild and Bergstrom were, in fact, proponents of going back to the Warriors nickname. But after consulting with American-Indian leaders and discussing the matter further with other trustees, the two said they thought going back to Warriors would be an affront to American Indians and make a mockery of Jesuit ideals on human dignity.
Bergstrom said the vote to adopt Gold was a super-majority of the 30 trustees in attendance. Bergstrom defined super-majority as more than 75% of those present.
Bergstrom was traveling and was unavailable for comment.
The board arrived at its decision after nearly a year of gathering feedback from students, alumni, faculty, staff and the community.
At the same time, the board adopted a new MU monogram that has been well received. The MU monogram is expected to appear on uniforms, printed materials, apparel and other merchandise, and on the floor of the Al McGuire Center and the Bradley Center.
One person who has steered clear of the controversy is Father Albert DiUlio, the former Marquette University president who first led the move to change the Warriors name to Golden Eagles, beginning in 1993.
Reached for comment in Washington, D.C., where he is secretary for finance and higher education for the Jesuit order in the United States, DiUlio said he had not kept up with the furor.
"Bob is the president," DiUlio said, referring to Wild. "Those are Bob's choices. I've been away a long time. I haven't talked with Bob about it. I haven't talked to the board about it."
DiUlio added: "It goes along with my own philosophy. When you leave, you leave it in other people's hands."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/marq/may05/325171.asp
MU board regroups amid Gold outcry
Trustees to discuss response to nickname
By DON WALKER
[email protected]
Posted: May 10, 2005
The Marquette University Board of Trustees has scheduled an emergency meeting today to review the flood of angry e-mails, letters and phone calls from concerned alumni, faculty and students upset over last week's decision to adopt Gold as the school's nickname.
Trustee John J. Stollenwerk, president and CEO of the Allen-Edmonds Shoe Corp., wrote an e-mail to a friend expressing his concern about the process the board took to adopt Gold.
Rana Altenburg, Marquette's vice president for public affairs, confirmed the meeting. She said she did not know whether the trustees would consider dropping the Gold nickname and adopting a new one.
Rather, she said, the board is getting together "because they want to review the communications from students, alumni, faculty and other stakeholders regarding the decision."
"All of the individuals on our board have a very strong commitment to this institution," Altenburg said. "Our trustees feel very deeply about Marquette. As part of that commitment, they want to pay careful attention to the concerns of all Marquette stakeholders."
Some trustees live in the Milwaukee area but others live in other parts of the country. Altenburg said out-of-town trustees would listen in on a teleconference call. She said she did not know if the school planned to issue a statement after the meeting concludes.
"Their agenda is to have a discussion together about the communications from all of the stakeholders," she said. "It's been almost a week since they met. They want to make sure they are paying attention to everyone's concerns. We care about our alumni and our students. We want to be mindful of how people are reacting to this situation. All of the trustees feel the same way."
The news of the meeting came as some cracks started to appear among the board, at least one trustee. In that case, John J. Stollenwerk, president and CEO of the Allen-Edmonds Shoe Corp. and a prominent trustee, wrote an e-mail to a friend expressing his concern about the process the board took to adopt Gold.
The existence and contents of the e-mail were confirmed by a source familiar with the board's decision-making. The e-mail was first reported Monday on the "Mark Belling Late Afternoon Show" on WISN-AM (1130). The same day, Marquette officials told the Journal Sentinel that the WISN report was not true.
In the e-mail to the unidentified friend, Stollenwerk said he hoped the board would rescind its decision regarding Gold in the context of his concern that the process did not include all members of the Marquette community.
The e-mail was forwarded to Father Robert A. Wild, the university president, the source said.
Wild was not available for comment. Stollenwerk did not return several phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.
Generally, trustees have declined to return phone calls, or referred reporters' questions to the university's public affairs office.
The new meeting comes exactly one week after the trustees voted to pass on bringing back the Warriors nickname, drop the Golden Eagles and settle on Gold. For the trustees, the word "Gold" was a nickname they thought represented the old and new traditions of the school's sports teams.
But the reaction from students, faculty and alumni was immediate and nearly all negative. With Web sites exhorting students and alumni to protest, the university was bombarded by e-mails, calls and letters protesting the decision to adopt Gold. Many upset alumni argued that Marquette had become a national joke both for the nickname and the way the trustees decided the matter.
The reaction to Gold was overwhelmingly negative, but others were upset trustees decided against bringing back the old Warriors nickname.
Despite the outcry, university officials said late last week that they were sticking with Gold and moved to conduct focus groups on how best to proceed.
On Friday, more than 100 students shouted at Wild in a protest at the Alumni Memorial Union. On Saturday, Wild and John F. Bergstrom, the chairman of the board of trustees, met with a large group of students in a meeting that was closed to reporters.
On Sunday, the Journal Sentinel reported that Wild and Bergstrom were, in fact, proponents of going back to the Warriors nickname. But after consulting with American-Indian leaders and discussing the matter further with other trustees, the two said they thought going back to Warriors would be an affront to American Indians and make a mockery of Jesuit ideals on human dignity.
Bergstrom said the vote to adopt Gold was a super-majority of the 30 trustees in attendance. Bergstrom defined super-majority as more than 75% of those present.
Bergstrom was traveling and was unavailable for comment.
The board arrived at its decision after nearly a year of gathering feedback from students, alumni, faculty, staff and the community.
At the same time, the board adopted a new MU monogram that has been well received. The MU monogram is expected to appear on uniforms, printed materials, apparel and other merchandise, and on the floor of the Al McGuire Center and the Bradley Center.
One person who has steered clear of the controversy is Father Albert DiUlio, the former Marquette University president who first led the move to change the Warriors name to Golden Eagles, beginning in 1993.
Reached for comment in Washington, D.C., where he is secretary for finance and higher education for the Jesuit order in the United States, DiUlio said he had not kept up with the furor.
"Bob is the president," DiUlio said, referring to Wild. "Those are Bob's choices. I've been away a long time. I haven't talked with Bob about it. I haven't talked to the board about it."
DiUlio added: "It goes along with my own philosophy. When you leave, you leave it in other people's hands."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/marq/may05/325171.asp
Good luck!!!
Renz
An Army of One
Alumni and faculty to vote for new mascot
Associated Press
MILWAUKEE -- Amid heavy criticism over its new nickname, the Marquette board of trustees decided Wednesday to abandoned the name Gold and let students, alumni and faculty vote for a new moniker.
The decision came a week after trustees voted to switch the school's nickname to Gold from the Golden Eagles, which the school took in 1994.
In the last week, people upset about the new name flooded the school with angry phone calls, letters and e-mails.
"No one ever thought there would be as much reaction as we got," board chairman John Bergstrom said.
The school will hold a vote via the Internet and allow people to pick from 10 names, university president Robert Wild said.
Wild said the 10 names won't include the Warriors, the university's nickname during a run that saw it win the NCAA men's basketball tournament in 1977 under coach Al McGuire.
The outcry over the university's nickname started about a year ago at graduation when two trustees offered the school $1 million each to go back to Warriors, which it dropped in favor of the Golden Eagles because the name and logo offended some American Indian groups.
Some alumni and students of the Jesuit university couldn't accept the Golden Eagles nickname.
The school hasn't scheduled the Internet vote yet, though Wild said it would take place soon.
Wild said trustees decided to let people vote because they felt much of the negative reaction over the Gold nickname arose because they didn't included others in the decision.
Associated Press
MILWAUKEE -- Amid heavy criticism over its new nickname, the Marquette board of trustees decided Wednesday to abandoned the name Gold and let students, alumni and faculty vote for a new moniker.
The decision came a week after trustees voted to switch the school's nickname to Gold from the Golden Eagles, which the school took in 1994.
In the last week, people upset about the new name flooded the school with angry phone calls, letters and e-mails.
"No one ever thought there would be as much reaction as we got," board chairman John Bergstrom said.
The school will hold a vote via the Internet and allow people to pick from 10 names, university president Robert Wild said.
Wild said the 10 names won't include the Warriors, the university's nickname during a run that saw it win the NCAA men's basketball tournament in 1977 under coach Al McGuire.
The outcry over the university's nickname started about a year ago at graduation when two trustees offered the school $1 million each to go back to Warriors, which it dropped in favor of the Golden Eagles because the name and logo offended some American Indian groups.
Some alumni and students of the Jesuit university couldn't accept the Golden Eagles nickname.
The school hasn't scheduled the Internet vote yet, though Wild said it would take place soon.
Wild said trustees decided to let people vote because they felt much of the negative reaction over the Gold nickname arose because they didn't included others in the decision.
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A team named after the Ultimate Warrior is offensive? Okay I guess I can see why.
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Sooooooooooooo happy to hear of their decision. It was about time they got their heads out of their asses.
Right now we have no name though ... are the Marquette TBD's
Right now we have no name though ... are the Marquette TBD's
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thirty-two said:Right now we have no name though ... are the Marquette TBD's
I take it back, apparently they are re-instating Golden Eagles until the new name is picked.
here's the official news brief (since I know all of you are just hanging onto your chairs in antipation of what the outcome will be
):Second Marquette University News Briefs for May 11, 2005
Marquette Trustees announce new nickname selection process, reaffirm position not to reinstate Warriors nickname
Marquette’s Board of Trustees today unanimously reaffirmed its position not to reinstate the Warriors nickname and announced that it would establish a process for stakeholders to select the new Marquette athletics nickname. The Trustees made the decision after reviewing feedback received in the past week from students, alumni and fans expressing surprise and frustration that their voices were not adequately heard in the decision to change from Golden Eagles to Marquette Gold.
“We have spent the past week listening. We heard you,” said John Bergstrom, chairman of the Board of Trustees. “The decision to change the nickname to Marquette Gold generated a response that we did not expect from Marquette stakeholders. We regret that we disappointed them and we want to respond to those concerns. We’ve established a new process today so that your voices can be heard. It’s transparent, it’s inclusive and it’s easy.”
The Board unanimously reaffirmed its position not to reinstate the Warriors nickname. As stewards of the university’s mission, the Trustees believe Marquette must adhere to the highest possible standards of its Catholic, Jesuit mission, which include recognizing and appreciating the dignity of every member of our human family.
“While I recognize that some people are disappointed that we are not reinstating the Warriors nickname, we cannot teach one principle about respect for human dignity in our classrooms and then fail to act by that same principle when making decisions,” President Robert Wild, S.J., said. “The Warriors nickname will always be part of our proud athletics tradition, and we will honor that tradition. But we live in a different era than when the Warriors nickname was selected in 1954. The perspective of time has shown us that our actions, intended or not, can offend others. We must not knowingly act in a way that others will believe, based on their experience, to be an attack on their dignity as fellow human beings.”
The Board of Trustees announced a new process by which a new athletics nickname will be chosen and also announced the formation of the Marquette Nickname Advisory Committee made up of representative students, alumni, faculty and staff. The process will include:
1. Within the next two weeks, a list of as many as 10 names will be presented to the Marquette community. All the names presented will be selected from the hundreds of names suggested by the Marquette community during either the 1994 or 2004 nickname processes. While the final list has not been decided, the list will certainly include some of the obvious names given Marquette’s athletics history, including Blue and Gold, Golden Avalanche, Hilltoppers and Golden Eagles.
There will also be a write-in option, presented with the parameters that votes for Warriors will not be counted, and that all write-in’s must be consistent with both our Jesuit, Catholic mission and the Board resolution on Native American imagery.
2. All members of the Marquette community, including students, alumni, faculty and staff, will be asked to choose two nicknames from the list, or can offer a write-in option.
3. The two options receiving the most support from the first vote will be presented to the Marquette community for a second vote. The nickname with the most support in the second vote will then be presented to the president to be announced as Marquette’s new athletics nickname going into the Big East Conference.
Both votes will be binding, and will be conducted on the Web with provisions made for those who do not have Internet access. Members of the Marquette community will be notified via mail and e-mail in the coming weeks about steps for participating in the voting process. More information about the voting process will also be available at http://marquette.edu/nickname.
The Marquette Nickname Advisory Committee will oversee the voting process and will advise the university in the development of the look of the new nickname, following its selection after the second vote.
Marquette has preliminarily planned that the timing for the nickname process will be as follows:
Week of May 23: List of nickname options will be presented to the Marquette community for the first vote. The Marquette community (students, alumni, faculty and staff) will choose two names from the list, or offer a write-in.
Mid-June: Second vote will be conducted with the top-two vote getters.
By July 1: The winning nickname will be announced.
Following the choice of a new nickname, Marquette will further engage the Marquette community, through focus groups and other forums, in the design of a visual identity for the new nickname, with a new logo to be chosen by the start of the school year. Students will be asked to give input on design and name the mascot (the costumed character appearing at games) in the fall.
The Board agreed that any nickname selected must be consistent with the university’s mission and adhere to the resolution passed last September banning use of any Native American imagery or references in Marquette’s athletics nickname, logo or mascot. In addition, the new nickname must be selected by Marquette’s official entry into the Big East Conference on July 1. The Golden Eagles will remain Marquette’s athletics nickname until July 1.
Father Wild concluded, “We must remember that Marquette University is first and foremost an academic institution. We have great momentum resulting from the accomplishments of our students, faculty and alumni over the past several years. Just last week, we received the largest single donation in university history with a gift of $28 million that will transform our College of Communication. For the third consecutive year, we celebrate the fact that students are applying to Marquette in record numbers. Marquette has risen in national academic rankings. The campus has undergone a physical transformation, and Marquette has enjoyed the most successful fund-raising period in its history, raising more than $300 million during the current comprehensive campaign. These are the true measures of a great university.”
Sounds like they came to their senses, finally.
Any early favorites?
Kate - have any ones you are suggesting?
It would be funny if after all this, it ended up staying Golden Eagles....
Any early favorites?
Kate - have any ones you are suggesting?
It would be funny if after all this, it ended up staying Golden Eagles....
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Dback Jon said:
Golden Avalanche (the moniker given to our football team back in like, the 40's)
Hilltoppers (our very first name, i believe... the mascot was a cool looking ram.. MU used to be located on a hill.. thus hilltoppers
Golden Eagles
Blue and Gold
Gold
those are the only one's I've heard so far... out of those which one do you think sounds the best?
I'm starting to like "hilltoppers".. not cuz its menacing and mean, but cuz it's got history behind it and the mascot looke cool
I like the Gold Diggers.
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Djaughe said:
as long as it's not the golden showers...
What about the Golden Warriors?? 
NCAA ponders future of Indian nicknames
No mention of Warriors....
After wrestling with the politically delicate issue for more than four years, the NCAA may be close to rendering a verdict on the use of Native American mascots and nicknames - from Indians and Braves to Redmen and Savages - by 30 of its member universities.
The governing body will conduct the first in a series of summer meetings next month and could decide by August whether it can and should impose a ban on Indian imagery, which critics charge is demeaning and even racist.
Ultimate responsibility falls to the NCAA's highest body, the 17-member Executive Committee, which meets in early August.
Whether the association will or legally must continue to yield to individual campus discretion - as the NCAA does on such matters as minority hiring - is uncertain. Targets range from Florida State (Seminoles) and Utah (Utes) to lower-division institutions with particularly provocative nicknames: Southeastern Oklahoma (Savages) and Carthage, Wis. (Redmen).
"What we can do is educate, get the information out there to you," says Southwestern Athletic Conference Commissioner Robert Vowels, who heads the Minority Interests and Opportunities Committee. "I can't sit here and say right now that we can enforce something or establish a penalty structure."
One possibility, says the NCAA's Corey Jackson, who works closely with the committee, is a lever the association has applied to the issue of flying the Confederate flag or incorporating in their state flags. Two states that do, South Carolina and Mississippi, are barred from hosting association championships.
The NCAA's attention to the mascot issue grew out of the flag flap four years ago.
This isn't the first time the NCAA has undertaken a review of such nicknames. In 2002, the minority interests committee called for "this tradition to be retired." Those schools say the use of the nicknames is in many case a tradition intended to honor Native Americans and their culture.
No mention of Warriors....
After wrestling with the politically delicate issue for more than four years, the NCAA may be close to rendering a verdict on the use of Native American mascots and nicknames - from Indians and Braves to Redmen and Savages - by 30 of its member universities.
The governing body will conduct the first in a series of summer meetings next month and could decide by August whether it can and should impose a ban on Indian imagery, which critics charge is demeaning and even racist.
Ultimate responsibility falls to the NCAA's highest body, the 17-member Executive Committee, which meets in early August.
Whether the association will or legally must continue to yield to individual campus discretion - as the NCAA does on such matters as minority hiring - is uncertain. Targets range from Florida State (Seminoles) and Utah (Utes) to lower-division institutions with particularly provocative nicknames: Southeastern Oklahoma (Savages) and Carthage, Wis. (Redmen).
"What we can do is educate, get the information out there to you," says Southwestern Athletic Conference Commissioner Robert Vowels, who heads the Minority Interests and Opportunities Committee. "I can't sit here and say right now that we can enforce something or establish a penalty structure."
One possibility, says the NCAA's Corey Jackson, who works closely with the committee, is a lever the association has applied to the issue of flying the Confederate flag or incorporating in their state flags. Two states that do, South Carolina and Mississippi, are barred from hosting association championships.
The NCAA's attention to the mascot issue grew out of the flag flap four years ago.
This isn't the first time the NCAA has undertaken a review of such nicknames. In 2002, the minority interests committee called for "this tradition to be retired." Those schools say the use of the nicknames is in many case a tradition intended to honor Native Americans and their culture.
Fools gold
Marquette ready for new nickname, again
Welcome to Marquette Watch on CSTV. Let's go the New York Mascot Exchange for a check on precious metals. And we see that gold is down...
Earlier this week Marquette University decided to renege on its decision to change the school's mascot name to "Gold." The verdict came after public and private rebuke (an alumnus friend of mine noted "I bought a nickel-bag of that on spring break once"). Although, as a sportswriter, I must admit that I was disappointed: I was looking forward to dubbing Marquette the "Au."
A brief history of Marquette nicknames: For the longest time, the Milwaukee-based Jesuit university was known as the Warriors. That moniker sat well with MU students, alums and fans of the '80s band Scandal. Then, in 1994, at the zenith (nadir?) of the P.C. movement, the Marquette administration decided "Warriors" was offensive to Native Americans. Never mind 27 other colleges also use Warriors as their team name.
Marquette dropped Warriors, leaving fans of the eponymous 1979 film such as myself distraught. No longer would I dress up as a Baseball Fury or a Gramercy Riff when a Marquette team invaded my alma mater's turf. No longer would I taunt them with shouts of, "Warriors, come out and play-ay."
Marquette renamed itself the Golden Eagles, a bird that, according to one environmental web site I checked, "is now virtually extirpated ... east of the Mississippi River." Not unlike the Jesuits.
Then, earlier this month the 30 members of the school's Board of Trustees voted to change -- or perhaps simply truncate -- the mascot name from Golden Eagles to Gold. That resolution prompted Milwaukee Journal Sentinel columnist Jim Stingl to wonder if other schools from America's Dairyland would abbreviate their nicknames: The University of Wisconsin Bad? The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Pants?
"We're done," said John Bergstrom, the school's chairman of the Board of Trustees, in an opinion echoed by MU president Father Robert A. Wild, on May 5. "This is not an optional program. This is going to be a brand that we're going to build."
Six days later, Gold was buried. "We have spent the past week listening," said Bergstrom. "We heard you."
Gold discovered, then as soon lost. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre is playing out along the banks of Lake Michigan. Or you can think of the Board of Trustees giving the school a new nickname, and then taking it back. Which would make them ...
With the Fools Gold era at Marquette having come to an end, here are a few observations:
1. Marquette, your alumni are not happy. Why not just lose the dude in the headdress while welcoming back the Warrior nickname.
2. If Warriors is so offensive, how come Nyack (N.Y.) College, a Christian liberal arts college, has no reservations (I hope that word does not offend anyone) about switching its nickname this year to the Warriors? Nyack previously referred to itself as The Purple Pride.
3. Isn't "Wild" a rather inappropriate name for the president of a Catholic university? Can that be changed, too?
4. Marquette proudly proclaims itself to be a "Jesuit" university. The actual name of the Jesuit order is "Society of Jesus." "Jesuit" is in fact a slang term, one that originated as a slur. According to the Etymology Dictionary (and my high school teachers at Brophy College Prep, which is also Jesuit), "Their enemies (in both Catholic and Protestant lands) accused them of belief that ends justify means, hence the sense "a dissembling person" (1640), and Jesuitical, "deceitful" (1613).
In fact, looking up "Jesuit" in my dictionary, I find the definition, "one given to subtle casuistry." And, because, just like you, I had no idea what casuistry means, I looked that up, too: "subtle but specious reasoning intended to rationalize or mislead."
So it is alright for Marquette to embrace the term "Jesuit," which was once unquestionably derisive, but it is offensive for the school to align its sports teams with the term "Warrior," which means "one who is engaged in or experienced in battle?" Isn't that a fairly accurate analogy for an athletic competitor?
5. If not "Warrior," then how about "Crusader"?
Marquette ready for new nickname, again
Welcome to Marquette Watch on CSTV. Let's go the New York Mascot Exchange for a check on precious metals. And we see that gold is down...
Earlier this week Marquette University decided to renege on its decision to change the school's mascot name to "Gold." The verdict came after public and private rebuke (an alumnus friend of mine noted "I bought a nickel-bag of that on spring break once"). Although, as a sportswriter, I must admit that I was disappointed: I was looking forward to dubbing Marquette the "Au."
A brief history of Marquette nicknames: For the longest time, the Milwaukee-based Jesuit university was known as the Warriors. That moniker sat well with MU students, alums and fans of the '80s band Scandal. Then, in 1994, at the zenith (nadir?) of the P.C. movement, the Marquette administration decided "Warriors" was offensive to Native Americans. Never mind 27 other colleges also use Warriors as their team name.
Marquette dropped Warriors, leaving fans of the eponymous 1979 film such as myself distraught. No longer would I dress up as a Baseball Fury or a Gramercy Riff when a Marquette team invaded my alma mater's turf. No longer would I taunt them with shouts of, "Warriors, come out and play-ay."
Marquette renamed itself the Golden Eagles, a bird that, according to one environmental web site I checked, "is now virtually extirpated ... east of the Mississippi River." Not unlike the Jesuits.
Then, earlier this month the 30 members of the school's Board of Trustees voted to change -- or perhaps simply truncate -- the mascot name from Golden Eagles to Gold. That resolution prompted Milwaukee Journal Sentinel columnist Jim Stingl to wonder if other schools from America's Dairyland would abbreviate their nicknames: The University of Wisconsin Bad? The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Pants?
"We're done," said John Bergstrom, the school's chairman of the Board of Trustees, in an opinion echoed by MU president Father Robert A. Wild, on May 5. "This is not an optional program. This is going to be a brand that we're going to build."
Six days later, Gold was buried. "We have spent the past week listening," said Bergstrom. "We heard you."
Gold discovered, then as soon lost. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre is playing out along the banks of Lake Michigan. Or you can think of the Board of Trustees giving the school a new nickname, and then taking it back. Which would make them ...
With the Fools Gold era at Marquette having come to an end, here are a few observations:
1. Marquette, your alumni are not happy. Why not just lose the dude in the headdress while welcoming back the Warrior nickname.
2. If Warriors is so offensive, how come Nyack (N.Y.) College, a Christian liberal arts college, has no reservations (I hope that word does not offend anyone) about switching its nickname this year to the Warriors? Nyack previously referred to itself as The Purple Pride.
3. Isn't "Wild" a rather inappropriate name for the president of a Catholic university? Can that be changed, too?
4. Marquette proudly proclaims itself to be a "Jesuit" university. The actual name of the Jesuit order is "Society of Jesus." "Jesuit" is in fact a slang term, one that originated as a slur. According to the Etymology Dictionary (and my high school teachers at Brophy College Prep, which is also Jesuit), "Their enemies (in both Catholic and Protestant lands) accused them of belief that ends justify means, hence the sense "a dissembling person" (1640), and Jesuitical, "deceitful" (1613).
In fact, looking up "Jesuit" in my dictionary, I find the definition, "one given to subtle casuistry." And, because, just like you, I had no idea what casuistry means, I looked that up, too: "subtle but specious reasoning intended to rationalize or mislead."
So it is alright for Marquette to embrace the term "Jesuit," which was once unquestionably derisive, but it is offensive for the school to align its sports teams with the term "Warrior," which means "one who is engaged in or experienced in battle?" Isn't that a fairly accurate analogy for an athletic competitor?
5. If not "Warrior," then how about "Crusader"?
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lol awesome article (i'll look past the brophy part (GO KNIGHTS)...)
(GO KNIGHTS)...)
thirty-two said:lol awesome article (i'll look past the brophy part
I figured you'd like that part
Renz said:
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! Actually, I went to Glassboro State for two years, then we got the $100 million gift from Henry Rowan and changed the name of the university to Rowan College of New Jersey so technically I attended Rowan College for two years, as well.
Now we are a university so I work at Rowan University. Have SIX diplomas (Glassboro State, Rowan College, Rowan University) for two degrees. I look important!
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Lots of mascot choices for Marquette U., just not 'Gold'
Associated Press
May. 24, 2005 08:30 AM
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]MILWAUKEE - Forget the Marquette Warriors. The university's Board of Trustees won't return to the nickname dumped in the early '90s as being insensitive to American Indians.
But the board of the Wisconsin school has approved 10 possible choices, and opened voting to students, season ticket holders, faculty, and alumni.
The move follows a flood of angry phone calls and e-mails over the board's first choice for a new nickname, the Gold.
The choices released include Blue and Gold, Golden Avalanche, Voyagers, and Wolves. Online voting starts today, through June fifth. [/font]
Associated Press
May. 24, 2005 08:30 AM
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]MILWAUKEE - Forget the Marquette Warriors. The university's Board of Trustees won't return to the nickname dumped in the early '90s as being insensitive to American Indians.
But the board of the Wisconsin school has approved 10 possible choices, and opened voting to students, season ticket holders, faculty, and alumni.
The move follows a flood of angry phone calls and e-mails over the board's first choice for a new nickname, the Gold.
The choices released include Blue and Gold, Golden Avalanche, Voyagers, and Wolves. Online voting starts today, through June fifth. [/font]
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maddogkf said:
Friggen sweet!
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