Martay is back

[HIX]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
Actually I'm not trying to rip on anybody. I'm just wondering why people don't think he's that good of a receiver or at least better then either Foster,Gilmore, McCaddley, Jenkins? As Pasch mentioned he's only a #4 or #5 receiver at best. Why is that?! What makes him that way? Why doesn't Sully think he's good enough? I want to know!!!

Maybe it is because everytime he starts to climb up the depth chart and show his stuff he gets injured. Broken ribs, strained back,pulled hip flexor such is the life of the KR. Dude needs to get some durability to last in this league. He would have been #3 widout last season for Denver if he would have stayed and healthy he was beating Lelie.

 

[cardsunsfan]

maybe I decided to post one last thread to see if I could get any more opinions. It just confuses me that coaches have such a low opinion of him. Gilmore was out all last year almost it didn't seem to affect his position.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by HIX
Maybe it is because everytime he starts to climb up the depth chart and show his stuff he gets injured. Broken ribs, strained back,pulled hip flexor such is the life of the KR. Dude needs to get some durability to last in this league. He would have been #3 widout last season for Denver if he would have stayed and healthy he was beating Lelie.

Yesterday on 1060 they were talking about Kasper taking kickoff and turning his back to whoever was about to hit him and how it was causing injuries.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by nidan
No Cheesie, when Jim posts here he is doing at Jim, not as Cards representative. Get used to it.

He is just as entitled to post as the rest of us.

I agree. But regardless of his entitlement to post here - he does work for the Cards - he is a producer on one of their radio shows (is that correct?) - and unfortunately for me, you can't separate the two and anyone in business knows that they are ALWAYS representing their employeer - especially when their involved in the discussion of that entity. I am used to Jim's posts - and appreciate the info he gives us - but if he is just like the rest of us than I can question the way he talks towards our few fans that we actually do have.

 

[az1965]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'd beg to differ. Scobey's a draft choice, and Kasper's a guy that they signed off the street.

Thmoas Jones was a draft choice (a high one!), Shipp was signed off the street???

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I said that Mar Tay looks like he's having a lot of fun on the field, and I like that. Kasper, to me, doesn't. He goes on the field, returns the kick, and then goes back. I haven't seen him "pumping up the crowd" or anything, which is one of the ways that Dex Jackson won me over big time in the first preseason game. You can like him for whatever reasons that you like him, and I can not like him for whatever reasons that I do.

I also don't like Kasper because in over 50 chances, he's never taken the ball back to the house. I think in 50 chances he only once took the ball past mid-field. You never knew when MarTay was going to take a ball all the way, and I like that in a player. I like Tim Dwight for the same reason.

So you want me to dance! You want me to dance! You know I don't do that K9.... That's it that is it....... I reaching for the phone..... Jones isn't the only one going down again.....

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[PDXChris]

Is does not matter anyways since Martay failed his physical and will not be joining teh Cards

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I agree. But regardless of his entitlement to post here - he does work for the Cards - he is a producer on one of their radio shows (is that correct?) - and unfortunately for me, you can't separate the two and anyone in business knows that they are ALWAYS representing their employeer - especially when their involved in the discussion of that entity. I am used to Jim's posts - and appreciate the info he gives us - but if he is just like the rest of us than I can question the way he talks towards our few fans that we actually do have.

Doesn't your company have a policy about spending all day on a message board?? Man you are a discrace to your employeer...

 

[kerouac9]

All right, fine. You guys are all absoluely correct. Kevin Kasper is the best kick returner in the league, a player that opposing Special Teams coaches stay up late at night figuring exotic schemes to stop. Every time the opponent kicks off, everyone on both sidelines holds their breath, knowing that odds are he's in the end zone by the time the zebra blows the whistle. Gunners hate to see him on the other side of the field.

Furthermore, he's an All-Pro wide reciever. Randy Moss and Terrell Owens both have posters of him on their walls, and think about what they can do to be more like Kevin Kasper. Marvin Harrison calls him on Monday mornings and asks him to review game tape with him. If only he weren't a Cardinal and playing for iron-fisted and favoristic coordinator Jerry Sullivan, who knows nothing about evaluating talent at the wide reciever position, and inflexible, win-my-way Dave McGinnis, he'd be recognized for what he is: the best wide reciever--nay, football player--in the history of the NFL.

His sweat cures psoriasis, so he wrings out his jerseys and pants at the end of practices and games and donates it to Phoenix Children's Hospital. His toe jam, when properly applied, reverses the effects of the flesh-eating virus. Men want to be him, women want to be with him.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Kasper doesn't seem to really be having a lot of fun playing, and that's one of the reasons that I don't like him.

K9:

Jeez, that's a load. I'm sorry, but where do you come up with this stuff? Here's a quote from Kasper's head coach at Iowa, Kirk Ferentz:

"Boy, what a football player," Hawkeyes coach Kirk Ferentz said. "He is a guy that just loves to play and he loves everything about football. We thought we were going to dock him when he had some injuries. But he's done a great job and is an excellent receiver. And I think he is a little better physically than people give him credit for."

His Iowa position coach, Lester Erb:

"The guy, when we need a catch in a possession-type situation, he's there to make that catch and throughout the year he's made a couple of big plays for us, so whatever opportunity he has he makes the best of it," Erb said. "He's flying around on the field, whether it's catching passes or whether it's run-blocking. The kid loves to play the game."

Of course, what would they know? They just coached the guy, from being a walk-on freshman to graduating as Iowa's record-holder for single-game, season and career receptions. They don't have the in-depth perspective of some guy sitting in the cheap seats.

Enough of this. You don't like Kasper, that's your prerogative. Just stop trying to justify it with off-the-wall insights and half-baked statistical analysis, O.K.?

 

[cardsunsfan]

What's your point of that post? I just think he should be a starter for our inexperienced receiver group that hasn't proven anything yet and didn't look good the first game. What's wrong with that?

 

[kerouac9]

I love how, when people are discussing free agents that we could sign, but aren't interested in, all I hear is "Well, the coaches and general managers know better than you! Why don't you trust them to make the correct decisions!" But, in this case, all those same people are saying "Why isn't he playing? He should be starting! He's the best wideout we have!"

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by who_me?
Martay just fluncked his physical!!!!!!!!

Apparently the strain of granite that his hands are made of is chipping an bit much from the dropped passes. They think with the proper treatment, and some clever stone work, he can be a viable gunner again by midseason.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by nidan

nidan, when you quote someone and all you do is use this emoticon, you are saying the person you quoted is stupid...like you did to me (intentionally or not) I can only imagine that you don't think Jim O is stupid.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by AZCB34
nidan, when you quote someone and all you do is use this emoticon, you are saying the person you quoted is stupid...like you did to me (intentionally or not) I can only imagine that you don't think Jim O is stupid.

I think he means it as a denotation of agreement. He's focusing more on the "I'm with" part than the "stupid" part.

 

[Northern Card]

Where does the "he flunked his physical" come from?

 

[cardsunsfan]

in response to
I love how, when people are discussing free agents that we could sign, but aren't interested in, all I hear is "Well, the coaches and general managers know better than you! Why don't you trust them to make the correct decisions!" But, in this case, all those same people are saying "Why isn't he playing? He should be starting! He's the best wideout we have!"


Why are some teams picking up Corners, Recievers and DL and we are not?



I like how our team did in the preseason. I'm really looking forward to the season but I don't know why we haven't addressed our weakest areas, especially corner. I know we still have time but I'm starting to doubt we will be picking any players up, except for maybe a holder.

For instance I don't understand the argument that there are no corners out there that are better than ours. I take it then the teams that are picking up corners and other areas of need aren't as deep a team in those areas as we are? I'm about as optimistic as anybody but we weren't exactly the highest ranked defense or offense last year. There has to be some areas we need to improve on as much as other teams need do. When Mac says there isn't really any corners out there it almost seems to me like he's ripping on the teams who are picking them up because they must be stupid.





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[cardsunsfan]

By the way I later mentioned picking up a DL after we picked up a corner. I also mentioned picking up the guy who did pretty well on the other side of the ball against us last week

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I think he means it as a denotation of agreement. He's focusing more on the "I'm with" part than the "stupid" part.

Personally this works better for agreement:



JMHO

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Personally this works better for agreement:



JMHO

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I liked Mar Tay on kickoffs. They would play Destiny Child's "Jumpin' Jumpin'" and he'd get the crowd all pumped up. He was a player that I liked rooting for. Kasper doesn't seem to really be having a lot of fun playing, and that's one of the reasons that I don't like him. For the record, I don't not like him because he's white.

Yeah, Martay was great on kickoffs...except he fumbled like the ball was greased.

Love to have him back as a gunner, or even as WR depth. I DO NOT want to see him returning kickoffs again. I used to hold my breath as he ran them back just like I'd hold my breath watching Jake drop back for a pass. Simply Scary!

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Northern Card
Where does the "he flunked his physical" come from?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16062

 

[Assface]

in the unemployment line.

 

[CardinalMike]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I agree. But regardless of his entitlement to post here - he does work for the Cards - he is a producer on one of their radio shows (is that correct?) -

Well this is the start of the road that forces Jim to quit posting here. I've seen it happen in many different communities (TV show writers and Game devs to name 2) many different times. Either you accept that Jim is just Jim with an informed opinion or you force him to become Mr. Cardinals Spokesman and losing most of what he gives us.

Originally posted by cheesebeef
and unfortunately for me, you can't separate the two and anyone in business knows that they are ALWAYS representing their employeer - especially when their involved in the discussion of that entity. I am used to Jim's posts - and appreciate the info he gives us - but if he is just like the rest of us than I can question the way he talks towards our few fans that we actually do have.

Well if he is "just like the rest of us" then why would you want to force him to be Mr. PR? Seriously are you so daft that you "can't seperate the two"? I know, from having read your posts for quite some time, that you're not an idiot so why act like one this time? Is this feigned outrage or are you just trying to defend your fellow darksider?

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I am used to Jim's posts - and appreciate the info he gives us

Then treat Jim like you would anyone else on this board. I work for the State of Washington, are you going to question my representation of my employer because of my post? If that answer is no then why would you question Jim's if he is trully one of us posters? If my past experience with situations is any indicator you can't have it both ways.

Cardinal Mike!!

 

[Sandan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I agree. But regardless of his entitlement to post here - he does work for the Cards - he is a producer on one of their radio shows (is that correct?) - and unfortunately for me, you can't separate the two and anyone in business knows that they are ALWAYS representing their employeer - especially when their involved in the discussion of that entity. I am used to Jim's posts - and appreciate the info he gives us - but if he is just like the rest of us than I can question the way he talks towards our few fans that we actually do have.

Cheese, why are you acting like an idiot, I met you and you arn't an idiot.

Jim posts here as Jim. He obviously has the blessing of Cardinals management to do it but that does not mean he is a spokesperson for them. Honestly he just isn't that senior in the org.

He is a fan just like us who happens to work for the Cardinals and gives us cool info occasionaly.

There are two schools of thought here.

1) You are correct and he really is presenting a Cardinals view.

OR

2) I'm right and Jim is a fan on this board with cool access.

Now you have never met him or any of the people there who really are responsible for Cardinals PR. Conversly I have met him (talked to him this afternoon actually), I've also met the PR folks and now some of them quite well and they have been real nice to us.

Now given that, which of us is more likely to have the more accurate view on the subject ?

I would ask that you just drop this, it is pointless and if he gets PO occasionaly with a poster, so what, so do I and everybody else.

If you want and "official" line from the Cardinals or diplomaticly well crafted response, I suggest you send letters to the Cardinals. Then you will get the polite replies you seem to be seeking.

As for Kourac, he deserves to get chewed on from time to time.