Mason Rudolph

[schutd]

yeah... kinda like seeing a badass 4x4 and finding out it has a six cylinder....Rudolph's arm isnt "weak"...just not ideal, not overly impressive...I am not a fan... but I would jump on him at 47....a year or two behind bradford would help him.

Alright, bud. No more car analogies!

 

[juza76]

According to Jurecki, the Cards have 6 QBs on their list and Rudolph isn't one of them.

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Can I know the jurecky list?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Great point! After all, how many touchdowns are of the 70 yards in the air variety? Pretty sure that NFL defenses don’t allow the kind of time it takes to complete that throw anyhow. Much rather have a a strong decision maker with great accuracy.

It's not the 70 yard passes that is the concern. It is throwing to the far hash, is the concern. NFL CBs turn a floater into a pick 6, a house call if you will. If you watch his game tapes you'll see it I talked about it long before the combine. It's too bad too, because if he had that kind of an arm top 2 or 3 pick. IMO

 

[Jetstream Green]

It's not the 70 yard passes that is the concern. It is throwing to the far hash, is the concern. NFL CBs turn a floater into a pick 6, a house call if you will. If you watch his game tapes you'll see it I talked about it long before the combine. It's too bad too, because if he had that kind of an arm top 2 or 3 pick. IMO

Allen is not accurate enough to make a corner back stay up late thinking he is going to take him to town on a far hash throw... just like Mahomes cannot deliver that throw with any accuracy as a pro, without nailing a guy in the stands and spilling his beer all over the place

 

[oaken1]

Allen is not accurate enough to make a corner back stay up late thinking he is going to take him to town on a far hash throw... just like Mahomes cannot deliver that throw with any accuracy as a pro, without nailing a guy in the stands and spilling his beer all over the place

the difference with allen is that half the time it is gonna get there quickly and on the money.... the other half it will get there quickly and its anybody's guess as to where... but it will not be a pick unless it is off target towards the DB...anywhere else and the ball will pass before they can get to it

 

[oaken1]

Alright, bud. No more car analogies!

lol... yeah, I guess thats like two in three days...a bit odd for me, I aint a car guy, lol

 

[moklerman]

It's not the 70 yard passes that is the concern. It is throwing to the far hash, is the concern. NFL CBs turn a floater into a pick 6, a house call if you will. If you watch his game tapes you'll see it I talked about it long before the combine. It's too bad too, because if he had that kind of an arm top 2 or 3 pick. IMO

That's where recognition, timing, accuracy and anticipation come in. If you're like Favre, you can be late and get away with it(sometimes). Everyone else has to compensate. Rudolph will be no different. If he can do all those other things then far-hash throws won't be any more problematic for him than everyone else. Granted, that's a big "if" but it's the same for all of these guys coming out.

The couple of them that have the instincts(everything all rolled together) will make it, the others will be disappointments. Derek Anderson has the arm strength to make any pass that can be made. But...

 

[POISON]

It's not the 70 yard passes that is the concern. It is throwing to the far hash, is the concern. NFL CBs turn a floater into a pick 6, a house call if you will. If you watch his game tapes you'll see it I talked about it long before the combine. It's too bad too, because if he had that kind of an arm top 2 or 3 pick. IMO

What's bad? I watched every game the guy played. He threw few interceptions and made good long throws. You sure your watching his tape?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Can I know the jurecky list?

Here you go. More than 6 now...

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[Lagerfilled]

Here you go. More than 6 now...

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Based on this and what Gambo has confirmed recently, here are the QBs the Cards are most interested in:

J Allen
Darnold
Mayfield
Rosen
Lauletta
Falk
White

Which means you can probably cross Jackson & Rudolph off the list. Sorry LJ & MR honks. The reason I strongly believe these are the guys is all are smart and accurate (save Allen).

If this is truly the list, good job Cards!

 

[JeffGollin]

Question - How elevated do a QB's intangibles have to be in order to make up for so-so athletic ability?

What is the minimum-required athletic skill-set, and what would he need in the way of processing quckness, field awareness, poise under pressure, decision-making etc. to make up for athletic mediocrity in other areas of play in order to be good enough to consistently win 10+ games a year as a pro?

(Note - Might work the opposite way - i.e. How physically talented does a dude need to be to make up for being functionally slow-thinking or dumb)?

And to further complicate matters are the varying ways teams prioritize intangibles, apply stereotypes etc. etc.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Based on this and what Gambo has confirmed recently, here are the QBs the Cards are most interested in:

J Allen
Darnold
Mayfield
Rosen
Lauletta
Falk
White

Which means you can probably cross Jackson & Rudolph off the list. Sorry LJ & MR honks. The reason I strongly believe these are the guys is all are smart and accurate (save Allen).

If this is truly the list, good job Cards!

Agreed....I mentioned earlier that the Cards weren't interested in Rudolph, based on MJ's feedback.

 

[BW52]

Based on this and what Gambo has confirmed recently, here are the QBs the Cards are most interested in:

J Allen
Darnold
Mayfield
Rosen
Lauletta
Falk
White

Which means you can probably cross Jackson & Rudolph off the list. Sorry LJ & MR honks. The reason I strongly believe these are the guys is all are smart and accurate (save Allen).

If this is truly the list, good job Cards!

Josh Allen will be be overdrafted.Darnold and Rosen will be gone before #15.Mayfield will be overdrafted by some team buying the hype just like Allen.
So that leaves lauletta (blah),Falk (blah),White (okay).Rudfolph (meh).....Oh well looks like QBOF next years draft.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Agreed....I mentioned earlier that the Cards weren't interested in Rudolph, based on MJ's feedback.

...and I think the only reason they don't like Jackson, is the possibility of spending a 1st on a definite project QB. You can get those in 2nd-4th...The first rounder, while not necessarily needing to start day one, shouldn't be a 2-3 year project.

 

[BW52]

...and I think the only reason they don't like Jackson, is the possibility of spending a 1st on a definite project QB. You can get those in 2nd-4th...The first rounder, while not necessarily needing to start day one, shouldn't be a 2-3 year project.

I find it ironic that people say Cards won`t spend a 1st round pick on a project who might take a couple of years to develop .The Cards just did that 2016 with NKemdiche.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I find it ironic that people say Cards won`t spend a 1st round pick on a project who might take a couple of years to develop .The Cards just did that 2016 with NKemdiche.

I think it's different for skill position players, especially QB's...and I specifically posted about a project QB in the 1st.

 

[BW52]

I think it's different for skill position players, especially QB's...and I specifically posted about a project QB in the 1st.

Was watching NFL network yesterday and they were talking Cards draft.They seem to think WR ( Calvin Ridley Alabama) and think Cards will likely pick a QB to develop sometime after RD1.

 

[CardsFan88]

Question - How elevated do a QB's intangibles have to be in order to make up for so-so athletic ability?

What is the minimum-required athletic skill-set, and what would he need in the way of processing quckness, field awareness, poise under pressure, decision-making etc. to make up for athletic mediocrity in other areas of play in order to be good enough to consistently win 10+ games a year as a pro?

(Note - Might work the opposite way - i.e. How physically talented does a dude need to be to make up for being functionally slow-thinking or dumb)?

And to further complicate matters are the varying ways teams prioritize intangibles, apply stereotypes etc. etc.

It's a good question. I would just add it's probably more complicated then this. Each QB, good or bad, is different in all of those attributes and more. It wouldn't surprise me if there's 10 or 20 more attributes, not all equal or chance it impacts as often.

Each one is a sliding scale that can help or hurt compared to someone else. If the mix is sufficiently beneficial it may give that player an advantage over others and allow them to be late on something else.

But then of course there's the intangibles. Injuries. OL play. Playcalling/offensive strategy. Quality of playmakers (do they get open early? find seams in the defense?).

Even then it's not cut or dry as each of these intangibles can probably be broken down further. I.E. Field awareness. Maybe the guy can easily see and recognize one type of play or on one side or at certain depth levels, but not others. Or better yet can see 90 percent of the field but you didn't notice there's a couple spots on the field where he just seems to suck it.

Maybe he can throw on the run, or maybe he can't. Palmer wasn't good on the run, and you couple that with his limited mobility and that chained together to create a bad situation for him. He needed to stay in the pocket and have the ability to subtlety slide away from pressure to buy more time. That was his mobility. Other guys, say an athletic guy, might not be able to slide like that, and will have to rely on his athleticism to escape the pocket to buy time. Some guys, might be able to do both. Even then it gets more complex. So the guy can't slide. Can he learn? Some will, some won't.

If a guy has a big arm but can't see the field deep, that's a problem. Whereas a guy with a weak arm that can see the field deep but is a little slow processing quick throws, well that's a problem. Stuff like this.

A guy has a strong arm, but his release is slower, thus his big arm can distract that in overall time the CB's might have a bigger window then you initially think. Of course there will be times such a setup deceives like when a batter is expecting a changeup and gets a fastball.

They can also chain together. If the guy with a big arm, processes a bit slow, and has a slow release, and the play is going to an area of the field he is less accurate on. Or the guy has the big arm, processes normally, with a normal release, but the receiver came out of his break late and is barely getting open.

But since all these things come in to play at one point or another or in conjunction, that at times some of these benefits or drawbacks won't occur and at other times cluster together and seemingly always occur.

Sometimes we like to say with blanket coverage a person is this or that, when in reality that might describe them 90 percent, but there's that 10 percent where they aren't. So offenses should try to keep the QB from doing those things, and defenses should want to put the onus on the offense to have to do it those ways.

I think overall you have to find a QB with the right mix that fits your offense and that you are confident can perform in it. Then us as fans have to hope they can find that, and that the offense itself can lead to success. Because you can have a QB be good at the offense, but if the offense sucks.... Then also defense, special teams.

I'm sure it's much more complicated then even this, I'm just spitballing.

 

[juza76]

How did keim open rhe conference yesterday?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Was watching NFL network yesterday and they were talking Cards draft.They seem to think WR ( Calvin Ridley Alabama) and think Cards will likely pick a QB to develop sometime after RD1.

I can see that...don't know about Ridley though...NFL Radio last night, was talking about the WR's...They say Ridley runs awesome routes, but has drop issues...his drop % is 10%, which puts him in bottom 1/3rd in college football...also he's 23 and other WR's he's being compared to are a few years younger.

 

[BW52]

I can see that...don't know about Ridley though...NFL Radio last night, was talking about the WR's...They say Ridley runs awesome routes, but has drop issues...his drop % is 10%, which puts him in bottom 1/3rd in college football...also he's 23 and other WR's he's being compared to are a few years younger.

IMHO the Cards can find a WR later in the draft and since its supposed to be a semi-ball control offense getting a sure-handed WR means more than a fastburner with drop issues.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Allen is not accurate enough to make a corner back stay up late thinking he is going to take him to town on a far hash throw... just like Mahomes cannot deliver that throw with any accuracy as a pro, without nailing a guy in the stands and spilling his beer all over the place

Neither of they guys you just mention are even on my radar anyway. I'm all about Lamar Jackson.

 

[WisconsinCard]

That's where recognition, timing, accuracy and anticipation come in. If you're like Favre, you can be late and get away with it(sometimes). Everyone else has to compensate. Rudolph will be no different. If he can do all those other things then far-hash throws won't be any more problematic for him than everyone else. Granted, that's a big "if" but it's the same for all of these guys coming out.

The couple of them that have the instincts(everything all rolled together) will make it, the others will be disappointments. Derek Anderson has the arm strength to make any pass that can be made. But...

I stated in another one of the threads about MR that if he can learn to read a defense like Kurt Warner then his arm just got stronger.

 

[WisconsinCard]

What's bad? I watched every game the guy played. He threw few interceptions and made good long throws. You sure your watching his tape?

I watch several of his games live, and stated it back then. He doesn't have a prototypical NFL arm. That is not to say he can't succeed, I hope he does, I'm a big fan of his. Comparing college DBs to the NFLs is like the best little league hitter in the world facing Randy Johnson in his prime. What he did in college no longer matters.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I watch several of his games live, and stated it back then. He doesn't have a prototypical NFL arm. That is not to say he can't succeed, I hope he does, I'm a big fan of his. Comparing college DBs to the NFLs is like the best little league hitter in the world facing Randy Johnson in his prime. What he did in college no longer matters.

Pump the brakes on that one hoss... a college DB is closer to a NFL WR than a little league kid going against a Hall of Fame pitcher but I agree with the premise