Matt Leinart does not look like a rookie

[Cheesebeef]

exactly....that's why ML sits and learns........patience

I'd rather him learn on the field like Manning or Big Ben, then lead us to a 13-3 record or a Super Bowl in his 2nd season.

Both of those guys I KNEW we're going to be mega-studs in the NFL - they were ready to play immediately and paid huge dividends in their second years - hell, one even went 15-1.

 

[PJ1]

I am really happy with what I have seen from Leinart. He doesn't look like a rookie and we really have something here.

That said Warner with a running game will win for us this year. Don't get down on Warner because Leinart looks good.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I love this kid as well

The only knock on Leinart right now is that I noticed he does eye his recievers from time to time (looked at Johnson the whole way on the TD pass) but consider the amount of practice this kid has had...he is freaking AMAZING. This is a UT EX who is becoming a HUGE fan and thinks this kid is special and could it be that we finally have our QB of the future...it's early but I think so. Having someone like Warner to guide him and Denny Green at the helm is a major plus.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am really happy with what I have seen from Leinart. He doesn't look like a rookie and we really have something here.

That said Warner with a running game will win for us this year. Don't get down on Warner because Leinart looks good.

I've been down on Warner since he injured his thumb and became Mr. Concussion. He hasn't looked impressive since his heyday in St. Louis. I don't need Leinart to look good to make me think Warner looks shaky. He does that all on his own.

 

[BACH]

I'd rather him learn on the field like Manning or Big Ben, then lead us to a 13-3 record or a Super Bowl in his 2nd season.

Both of those guys I KNEW we're going to be mega-studs in the NFL - they were ready to play immediately and paid huge dividends in their second years - hell, one even went 15-1.

I dunno.....

The odds of him succeeding are much better if he isn't pushed into action before he's ready for it. He very close, but realisticly against a live NFL D in the regular season he's probably not there yet. So I think it would be good for him to sit out....

On the other hand.... Rookie QBs can thrive and development under the right circumstances. Big Ben had a strong D and a strong run game and wasn't really asked to do anything. Payton is.. well Payton. Leinart has a solid pass-protecting OL, a solid D and the most weapons in the league. The circumstances should be there.

 

[PJ1]

I've been down on Warner since he injured his thumb and became Mr. Concussion. He hasn't looked impressive since his heyday in St. Louis. I don't need Leinart to look good to make me think Warner looks shaky. He does that all on his own.

Really, a shaky QB led us to have the top passing game in the league last year? He hasn't looked bad in preseason either.

He had some tough times but had a good year last year. I am glad we signed him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Really, a shaky QB led us to have the top passing game in the league last year? He hasn't looked bad in preseason either.

He had some tough times but had a good year last year. I am glad we signed him.

Josh McCown had a couple big games last year as well two 385 + and two games of 290 + yards - does that mean Josh McCown also can't be considered "shaky" (especially when we see on another team he's the THIRD string QB)? The only reason we had "the top passing game" was because we were so far behind all season so we HAD to throw the ball a ton. If you notice, 2 of Kuurt's best three games camein game in which we got down a ton early and then played against prevent defenses against the Lions and the Seahags. That passing offense didn't amount to anything more than field goals while we were down 20 points. Throwing for 11 tds and 9 ints in 11 games ain't that impressive.

I'm not upset we signed him - I'm just not hoping he's going to lead us anywhere - he is what he is - mediocre at best.

 

[PJ1]

Josh McCown had a couple big games last year as well - and the only reason we had "the tp passing game" was because we were so far behind all season so we HAD to throw the ball a ton. That passing offense didn't amount to anything more than field goals while we were down 20 points. Throwing for 11 tds and 9 ints in 11 games ain't that impressive.

I'm not upset we signed him - I'm just not hoping he's going to lead us anywhere - he is what he is - mediocre at best.

We actually stayed in alot of games but couldn't run the ball at all. With no running game at all his stats were very impressive. Have to be able to run the ball to score in the redzone. Warner was hardly the reason we didn't win last year. May have been the worst performance by an OL I have seen and I went to my first Card game in 1967. No QB could have won with that line.

 

[Evil Ash]

my prediction - Warner gets injured by Game 5 and Matt actually comes in, struggles a little bit, gets better and Kurt never sees the field again for the Arizona Cardinals.

If it were up to me, I'd sacrifice the entire year to start Matty from Game 1 - I have ZERO confidence in Warner to take us to anything more than 7 wins and if we don'tmake the playoffs, who gives a crap what our record is this year because with a full year under his belt, i believe Leinart WILL be one of the best QBs in the league - period.

Yup - I said it. The kid is pure solid gold.

Dennis Green because if we're 6-10 or worse again (possibly even 7-9), he's gone and we're starting over again

Lets not go crazy due to a preseason game performance. Just like I told people not to panic due to last week's game, I'm saying now don't get too excited over this week's game.

Its better for everyone involved if Matt doesn't play a down this season, although thats unlikely to happen

 

[PJ1]

Dennis Green because if we're 6-10 or worse again (possibly even 7-9), he's gone and we're starting over again

Lets not go crazy due to a preseason game performance. Just like I told people not to panic due to last week's game, I'm saying now don't get too excited over this week's game.

Its better for everyone involved if Matt doesn't play a down this season, although thats unlikely to happen

Agreed. Nice to see him perform well but we will see him if Warner gets hurt. Or should I say when he gets hurt.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Trust me I have more faith in this kid than anyone and i believe we have the next Tom Brady on our hands. If we surround him with a few talented players and some goos coaching he is good enough of a QB to take us the rest of the way. I truly believe that.

But i disagree we should start him for any other reason than Warner is injured or inneffective. Game experience is great but every QB has sat a year had gone on to do well. We have the goose that laid the golden egg here. Lets be over cautious about his development IMO.

I do agree with one of cheese's statements though - I to think Warner will go down at some point this year and then we will have no choice but to go to the kid (can you imagine the hype leading up to the week of his first start around here????) And at that point I don't see Warner ever getting "his" team back.....

 

[vince56]

If it were up to me, I'd sacrifice the entire year to start Matty from Game 1 - I have ZERO confidence in Warner to take us to anything more than 7 wins and if we don'tmake the playoffs..., who gives a crap what our record is this year because with a full year under his belt, i believe Leinart WILL be one of the best QBs in the league - period.

Yup - I said it. The kid is pure solid gold.

Alright, yeah, he looked good, but I want to see him play against a defense not running the Madden '07 playbook before I give Matt his crown of thorns. This is the preseason.

Warner's physical abilities, much like some of his recent passes, are a little shaky, but he still makes the correct read on almost every play & has the trust of his receivers.

It's a nice position to be in, to have 2 great QBs on the team. It's a rare priviledge.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't care. I'm still pissed at Leinart for holding out so long.............

 

[Brighteyes]

Maybe we'll see Leinart in the 49'ers game -- 4th quarter.

NOT because Kurt's hurt -- but because we're up by 30 points ...

 

[Jasper]

Please no controversy. Warner will not choke, and even if he does to a point he won't be a Kent Graham.

Whatever happens don't try to get Matt starting this season.

The only time when Matt should start is if and when Kurt goes down. Which is very possible. If we suddenly have a winnning steak with Matt starting then it's time to have a controversy.

 

[blindseyed]

Alright, yeah, he looked good, but I want to see him play against a defense not running the Madden '07 playbook before I give Matt his crown of thorns. This is the preseason.

Warner's physical abilities, much like some of his recent passes, are a little shaky, but he still makes the correct read on almost every play & has the trust of his receivers.

It's a nice position to be in, to have 2 great QBs on the team. It's a rare priviledge.

I agree. I think Warner looked good, good reads and got out of the pocket when he needed to. When Kurt has time, he STILL has an arm.
Matt will get his turn, ya don't sacrifice a season on one player, and certainly don't want to mess with the fragile psyche of the rest of the team now that they have some confidence.
And like Vince says, we're in a great position with 2 good QB's..


Remeber how many people wanted to keep Josh?....

 

[Goodyear Card]

There will be a controversy ....next year. At least let's hope so. If there is a controversy this season, it means we're in the tank.

Also, to be fair, Leinart was getting much better blocking. Warner really got rocked a few times.

Warner better not get hurt. He if does he won't play again.

 

[ajcardfan]

Warner better not get hurt. He if does he won't play again.

That is very possible. Whenever Leinart takes over, I hope Warner stays here as backup and plays out his deal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We actually stayed in alot of games but couldn't run the ball at all. With no running game at all his stats were very impressive. Have to be able to run the ball to score in the redzone. Warner was hardly the reason we didn't win last year. May have been the worst performance by an OL I have seen and I went to my first Card game in 1967. No QB could have won with that line.

we actually stayed in a lot of games? Do you not remember that we got CRUSHED in 6 of our 11 losses? I'm not saying Warne was the reason we lost - it was obvious we had zero rushing game and a piss-poor run-blocking O-line, but Warner was not as impressive as you guys are making him out to be. Again, Josh put up two games of 385+ and and two games 294+ (4 total) in his six starts and Josh is dog crap so stats in an offense when you're down a lot don't tell much, especially when there is a paucity of TDs in those stats.

 

[PJ1]

we actually stayed in a lot of games? Do you not remember that we got CRUSHED in 6 of our 11 losses? I'm not saying Warne was the reason we lost - it was obvious we had zero rushing game and a piss-poor run-blocking O-line, but Warner was not as impressive as you guys are making him out to be. Again, Josh put up two games of 385+ and and two games 294+ (4 total) in his six starts and Josh is dog crap so stats in an offense when you're down a lot don't tell much, especially when there is a paucity of TDs in those stats.

We won five games. Six of our losses combined we lost by an average of 5 points. Hardly blowouts. That is eleven games we can characterize as being in.

Let's talk about the five "blowout" losses.

Giants game we lead at half 13-7 and special teams and D come apart in second half.

First Seattle game we are down 10-9 at half and Alexander takes over and we are cooked.

Game against Dallas we were never in. Warner did not play but our line on both offense and defense were dominated. Not the QB's fault.

Second Seattle game we were smoked by a team that can run the football and we cannot. Will happen again this year if we cannot run the football. Don't care who is QB.

Houston game Warner comes out and we were actually playing well at that point. He had completed every pass he threw. 10-10 115yds.

So no, our QB's didn't rack up their yards because were always behind by 20 points. They did have to pass and the other team knew it.

You may not like Warner and I agree he won't be able to stay healthy but he is not a bad QB.

I am excited about Leinart but not ready to send him to the pro bowl after playing in two preseason games.

 

[RedStorm]

my prediction - Warner gets injured by Game 5 and Matt actually comes in, struggles a little bit, gets better and Kurt never sees the field again for the Arizona Cardinals.

If it were up to me, I'd sacrifice the entire year to start Matty from Game 1 - I have ZERO confidence in Warner to take us to anything more than 7 wins and if we don'tmake the playoffs, who gives a crap what our record is this year because with a full year under his belt, i believe Leinart WILL be one of the best QBs in the league - period.

Yup - I said it. The kid is pure solid gold.[/quote]

I agree....AND EVERYONE STAY AWAY FROM BUYING LEINART JERSEYS. WE DON'T NEED ANY JINX.

 

[JeffGollin]

It's unrealistic to "expect" Leinart to be an instant success.

So far (at least to me) he's shown that he can be trusted to come into games, protect the football, make plays that win football games and generally not screw things up the way most inexperienced QB's do.

That said - he's still a rook with a lot of learning ahead of him. It's fortunate we have the luxury of having someone as experienced and good as KW ahead of him so that time remains our friend and not our enemy.

The beautiful thing about this is that - assuming that Matt remains open to learning, being coached and improving - there's no limit to how good he can be.

But right now, he is what he is - A rookie QB who seems very mature for his age and ready to step in and win some games for us if and when called upon.

To "expect" (or demand) more wouldn't be fair to Matt and is, at this time, unecessary.

 

[Assface]

49ers fans must be really pissed off about Matt going back to school last year. LOL, we have Leinart and they got Alex Smith.

 

[seesred]

I don't understand any of the Warner bashing in this thread. He played great for us last year IMO and he has had a solid camp. The guy has won the big game and knows how to win. MVP and respect that is what Kurt gives us. As far as Lienart goes hopefully he wont play anything but clean up when we are safely ahead of teams. IMO this kid can be our Peyton or Brady by next year. I would not be afraid if Kurt were to get hurt the Matt can keep us in games as soon as needed.

GBR
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[ajcardfan]

seesred, you've got your head on your shoulders. Leinart has yet to see a defense specifically scheme to confuse him. Warner has seen everything thrown at him, including the kitchen sink. He's not top notch physically, but he can make reads as good as anyone you can think of and far better than the majority of NFL QBs. It can only help Leinart to watch for a while.

Most of the people pushing Leinart starting were scolding people for not taking preseason seriously enough after the whipping in NE. It's still just preseason, whether we look good or bad.