kerouac9 said:
I dunno. What I heard Young say was "Mack finally understood my generation and just let me be me" (my rememberance of the exact quote). And it sounded like Mack was saying, "We stopped trying to make him into a throwing QB and let him do whatever he wanted" (my interpretation of what Brown said). I have little doubt that Mack Brown has no idea what to do with a "real" quarterback, and that Simms was under-utilized and in a stupid system at Texas. But Vince Young was in that same system and even that system had to be discarded before Young could become successful.
I still don't think that Vince Young is a quarterback. It never looked like Vince Young was picking apart the USC defense (which was middling at best the entire season), he was running around them most of the time, never had to deal with pressure, and his wideouts were mostly open on all their boring 5-yard slants.
I didn't like Phillip Rivers because I don't think that you draft a kid in the Top 5 and hope that you can deconstruct his throwing motion so that he can toss the ball for more than 15 yards without a three-second windup. I don't like Vince Young for the same reason. What were Young's top 3 passes in Wednesday's game? Really, I was more impressed with Leinart and the kid from Penn State's (a remarkably brave performance all game long in the face of blistering pressure) bowl performances more than Young's, who basically ran around a lot. I remember another guy who went to a National Championship game like that. I think his name was Eric Crouch.
Actually, what Young ment by this was that Mac brown tried to mold all these guys into "great character guys" and wanted them to act a certain way on and off the field, with the press etc. I just got finished reading a huge article on this where Mac states that he started letting the kids be kids. He started listening to rap music himself, he was ok with the do-rags, and basically started understanding "his generation" It had nothing to do with coaching. IN fact Young in the post game presser acknowledged how far he has come since being rcrutied out of highschool as far as reading defenses, staying calm, understanding the game etc. and credited Brown and his staff for that.
Didnt pick apart the USC defense? I guess if you want to call 30-40 for 270 yards and 75% completion percentage "not picking apart the USC defense" than I dont know what you would call it? Sub par?
You mention you would take a QB that has to have his throwing motion overhauled yet you have this intense man-love for Vick? Come on his motion and footwork are beyond reproach. Frankly, that is the most overrated excuse I have ever heard anyway. If it were that NFL coahces only took QB's with perfect mechanics, we wouldnt have Favre, Vick, Rothelisberger, Leftwich etc. Thats comeplete Bull.
Youngs arm is strong. it doesnt matter to what degree it is strong. As long as he can make the 5 throws an NFL scout is looking for w/o struggling (deep in, fly, down and out, corner etc) then thats as strong as it needs to be. I would venture to say he has every bit as strong an arm as McNabb or McNair does.
Was OSU's defense middling as well? I agree USC's defense was not good, but OSU's was, Michigans last year was a solid defense.
Also, as much as you like Vick it probably would have behooved you to do a little research on the type of offense VaTech ran with Vick at the helm before stating that Young only succeeds b/c he is a simple offense (which by the way he shattered UT records that have been in existence for dozens of years)
As Joel Buchsbaum, draft analyst for Pro Football Weekly, said he believed the only way Vick an be successful immeditaly would be if the team drafting him (Chargers at the time) literally threw their offensive playbook out the window and just let Vick do what he does best.
"If you just let him freelance and run his own offense," Buchsbaum said when asked what it would take for Vick to start immediately. "I think they want to discipline him into a system. The whole system (at Virginia Tech) was 'Drop back, see if you like what you see, otherwise take off and go.' "
Additonally, the article stated:
"Other than the lack of experience, the only other knocks on Vick appear to be his lack of height, which could hinder his vision in the pocket, and the fact that he wasn't forced to learn an offensive system at Virginia Tech.
Being allowed to freelance at Virginia Tech, Vick didn't develop the by-the-book mechanics NFL quarterbacks are expected to have. He also has shown too much of a tendency to tuck the ball away and run rather than search for secondary receivers"
I get it, you dont like Young or UT.-fine, but you might actually want to put away that double edge sword your wielding and come up with some new (and better) reasons!
