Max Hall Sucks

[Joe L]

Hall has one very good game and one bad game behind him. I don't know how you can make any statistical conclusions on him? Nobody made the comparison, you concluded as such, but i illustrated the non logical overreactions and how they are made

What you need to evaluate him on is his accuracy, toughness and leadership. He has shown all three to me so far, so he is capable of doing this. This game was impossible due to weather, O-Line, Seattle...

He will be fine

LOL, I hope you don't mean the game where the defense scored more points. I'm not sure how you can make that conclusion when he had 3 TO's ( 2 recovered) and no offensive TD's.

I'd give up some toughness for a few points from my QB
I'd take a less accurate QB that can move the ball into the redzone without the help of the defense. And just like the commentator said, you can't lead without production...or something along those lines. Bottom line, I don't want a QB that can take a hit, I want a QB that can produce points.

 

[Sandan]

Vick anyone hahaha. Not happy to be right but hall's pathetic

After getting sore from patting yourself on the back .. what makes you right ?

 

[desertdawg]

Max Hall sucked today. Most of his passes were plain terrible. The Saints game he came out and progressed after starting poorly. He was smiling when he threw bad passes. He stayed confident and had a better second half.

This game he looked like he would rather be some where else. Hall lost the accuracy and confidence he showed before the bye. And failed to put up any thing on the score board.
I was too quick to get excited about our little guy. If he starts next week, I really hope he plays better.

 

[conraddobler]

See the difference between Hall and DA is like I said, DA is a known commodity, he may get hot for a while but then, well we know what comes next in all likelyhood, don't get me wrong he could have a sudden change of outlook and get things he's done wrong for years right but that's not very likely.

Hall on the other hand was in a division game, on the road, in the rain.

I'd want to see him start at home one more time to see what he's made of.

Why the heck not?

You don't bail on a rookie that fast, you can't just keep changing out the QB's like underwear, we've seen that movie before and it stinks.

In reality some QB's get whole lost seasons to progress, I'm not sure I'd go that far with an UDFA QB, probably not but you have to give it a few games at least, not just two.

 

[B-Dogg]

Plain and simple we do not have a NFL quality starting QB on this roster. DA cant hid the broad side of a barn and Hall simply doesnt have the size or arm strength to be an NFL QB.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Well that bandwagon crashed in a hurry.

 

[Bobcat]

Run the damn ball.

I could not agree more.

 

[Duckjake]

Well that bandwagon crashed in a hurry.

When your passes look like Neil Rackers crunch time FG attempts that will happen.

 

[187]

Hall was horrible today, but I would still give him 2 more games to see what he's got. The conditions were pretty awful early on and Max never had a chance to get comfortable. I'm 6' 2" and don't have very large hands, so I know how big of a bitch it is to try and throw a wet football. Besides, what do we have to lose? The DA we all know and love (ha) showed up today as usual. Looked great on that first drive and then captain inaccuracy decided to show up on the second drive. I stopped watching after that, had to DVR the game because the store I work at got rid of directtv. Sad day.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Horrible.

So bad I would be hard pressed to ever let him on the field today.

Hall's entire game was horrible. How can anyone, teammates, WR's, fans, etc., etc. have any faith in a guy that cannot complete a single pass.

Unwatchable, Unacceptable, and an absolute dagger in the heard of the season.

Losing streak starts today.....

 

[Black Jesus]

When your passes look like Neil Rackers crunch time FG attempts that will happen.

I laughed out loud at this.

Max Hall was atrocious.

 

[Pariah]

Hall sucks + Anderson sucks = worst QB situation in the NFL x 2.

 

[TJ]

Hall sucks + Anderson sucks = worst QB situation in the NFL x 2.

I looked around the league to see if I could find a worse QB situation. Nope.

One of my best friends is a Bills fan and given their circumstances, he is plenty content with Fitzpatrick under center (Gilbert product ) As a matter of fact, they dropped 30+ on Baltimore yesterday. I would kill to have that situation.

 

[Cardiac]

Maximus had a suckimus game. I understand why some would give up all hope of him being even a servicable back up. Take a step back and a deep breath and review what we know about him. His college results were VERY impressive. He has made some very impressive throws since playing for the Cards.

I'm not as high on him as Early but I'm not ready to throw him away. My biggest concern is that he can't throw a wet ball. Even though we play in a dome we can't have a QB who plays like Hall did in Seattle as the QBOF. Maybe he needs to start throwing with gloves so he doesn't look like a Sally when it rains.

 

[kerouac9]

Maximus had a suckimus game. I understand why some would give up all hope of him being even a servicable back up. Take a step back and a deep breath and review what we know about him. His college results were VERY impressive. He has made some very impressive throws since playing for the Cards.
I'm not as high on him as Early but I'm not ready to throw him away. My biggest concern is that he can't throw a wet ball. Even though we play in a dome we can't have a QB who plays like Hall did in Seattle as the QBOF. Maybe he needs to start throwing with gloves so he doesn't look like a Sally when it rains.

Which ones are you talking about here?

 

[conraddobler]

He needs to wear gloves.

Seriously, I'm not kidding, he couldn't grip the ball.

Warner needs to have a talk with him, I would be practicing with them this week to see how it goes just in general, it'll give him more grip on the ball and could easily give him the ability to toss it harder.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I looked around the league to see if I could find a worse QB situation. Nope.

One of my best friends is a Bills fan and given their circumstances, he is plenty content with Fitzpatrick under center (Gilbert product ) As a matter of fact, they dropped 30+ on Baltimore yesterday. I would kill to have that situation.

Fitzpatrick really has been pretty solid as a starter this year. The Bills offense seems to be rejuvinated under his control. Putting 30 on Baltimore is extremely impressive.

 

[Cardiac]

Which ones are you talking about here?

I know you think he can't throw the ball more then 20 yards so let's just agree to disagree on this. I will give you one example and it's from the Seahawks game, the swing pass to Dash was made with touch and placed perfectly for him to be at full speed and make good yardage. The next time DA does that will be the 1st time.

I will say that his effort and throws against Seattle support everything you have said about his arm strength. I believe it's because he couldn't grip a wet ball, which if he can't overcome means he won't be in the NFL for long.

IMO the thread should be Max Hall sucked and not sucks.

 

[kerouac9]

I know you think he can't throw the ball more then 20 yards so let's just agree to disagree on this. I will give you one example and it's from the Seahawks game, the swing pass to Dash was made with touch and placed perfectly for him to be at full speed and make good yardage. The next time DA does that will be the 1st time.

I will say that his effort and throws against Seattle support everything you have said about his arm strength. I believe it's because he couldn't grip a wet ball, which if he can't overcome means he won't be in the NFL for long.

IMO the thread should be Max Hall sucked and not sucks.

Well, the thread was begun in the middle of the second quarter, so Max Hall was sucking in the present tense.

But don't you expect a starting QB to be able to throw a simple screen pass. If #7 had thrown that ball, would it be a "very impressive throw"? Of course not. Expectations have been lowered to the point that a 13-yard catch-and-run which traveled maybe eight yards through the air is a "very impressive throw?

 

[Cardiac]

Well, the thread was begun in the middle of the second quarter, so Max Hall was sucking in the present tense.

Fair enough.


But don't you expect a starting QB to be able to throw a simple screen pass. If #7 had thrown that ball, would it be a "very impressive throw"? Of course not. Expectations have been lowered to the point that a 13-yard catch-and-run which traveled maybe eight yards through the air is a "very impressive throw?

Point well made and taken. He has made some nice throws and you should concede that point. Has he made throws that state boy does he have a cannon for an arm. I don't think anyone has or will say that. Is there some throws he may not be able to make, possibly yes. I just don't think anyone can say he hasn't completed a good pass this year.

 

[JeffGollin]

Re: Max Hall Sucks

He did, but he may not.

(Or he may).

We're always tempted to base our judgments on snapshots instead of the entire movie.

We're talking about an undrafted newbie who (after surviving his first outing) looked flat-out Pop Warnerish in his second game as a pro.

What remains undetermined (& the question of the moment) is "Will Max Hall ever be a successful NFL quarterback?" (with the follow-up question being: "If he can, how long will it take?" And the follow-up to that follow-up: "Can we afford to wait for him?")

I'm not optimistic right now, but I don't think it's particularly helpful to Max or the Cardinals for us to give up on him and distribute the "S" word about him like a sky full of Frisbees.

He and DA are all we've got. Perhaps a more relevant question should be: "Within our offensive schemes, what can we do differently to give these guys half a chance to help us win?" (i.e. Run more? More play action? Less play action? Some Wildcat? More 3-steps and unload? More multi-receiver stuff? Less multi-receiver stuff? I dunno - something)!!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

I know you think he can't throw the ball more then 20 yards so let's just agree to disagree on this. I will give you one example and it's from the Seahawks game, the swing pass to Dash was made with touch and placed perfectly for him to be at full speed and make good yardage. The next time DA does that will be the 1st time.

YES. DA doesn't understand how to execute that play. He throws that pass at the RBs calves (meaning low and behind him) forcing the RB to stop, turn and dip to make the catch (unlikely) and then turn around only to get hammered by a LB or safety. That SINGLE throw alone is impressive not because it's tough but because for some maddening reason we haven't been able to run that play for decades.

He threw several nice balls in the NO game in the second half, well placed and nice touch. They all came in the second half of that game.

He threw a nice pass on the slant yesterday to Larry, who should have caught it...put it where only Larry could have gotten it but he was being ridden like a pony so he couldn't get there.

Hall played like manure, but I've still seen more upside from him than from DA.

 

[Duckjake]

but because for some maddening reason we haven't been able to run that play for decades.

What!?!?!

The Cards used to run that play 50-100 times a season with Larry Centers.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Re: Max Hall Sucks


What remains undetermined (& the question of the moment) is "Will Max Hall ever be a successful NFL quarterback?" (with the follow-up question being: "If he can, how long will it take?" And the follow-up to that follow-up: "Can we afford to wait for him?")

You pose a very good set of questions here; the best of the lot being "can we afford to wait for him".

It seems the problem with the NFL these days is just that-- coaches cannot afford to give the quarterbacks due dilligence when it comes to development.

Jerry Glanville once said it best.. The NFL truly does stand for Not For Long. If the quarterback doesn't get in there right away and win big, or make some kind of serious contribution off the bat, he's going to be looking over his shoulder because otherwise the coach finds himself on the hotseat.

On top of things, with the NFC West being a complete and epic disaster from top to bottom, the conference is wide open and the Cardinals have as good of a chance as anyone of winning it, despite the monumental mess they have at QB now.

Does Max give them a good chance to win? I sincerely doubt it. We're talking a redblood rookie that was an undrafted free agent. History is working against him, and over the last two games (even in the Saint victory), he's shown me no inclination that he's going to lead Arizona there. And to be fair, when you have expectations that are low (he was undrafted for a reason), anything he does produce is a benefit and a plus.

Problem is, there's NOONE on the roster now who really gives them that chance to win, and best case scenario is the team wins inspite of them. I've never been much of a Derek Anderson fan, his decision making process is atrocious at best. Thus, Hall is being thrust in to really what is a no win situation.

I'm not optimistic right now, but I don't think it's particularly helpful to Max or the Cardinals for us to give up on him and distribute the "S" word about him like a sky full of Frisbees.

He and DA are all we've got. Perhaps a more relevant question should be: "Within our offensive schemes, what can we do differently to give these guys half a chance to help us win?" (i.e. Run more? More play action? Less play action? Some Wildcat? More 3-steps and unload? More multi-receiver stuff? Less multi-receiver stuff? I dunno - something)!!!!

Problem is, they're so drastically different QB. I think if Whis is the offensive genius he's been cited as being in the past, he can work an offensive scheme to "dummy down" the system for Hall or DA while capitalizing on their strengths and skills. Problem there is, by dummying it down, they really cut out their best offensive weapon, Fitzgerald.

 

[D-Dogg]

What!?!?!

The Cards used to run that play 50-100 times a season with Larry Centers.

Ok, for a decade then.