Max Hall
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Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Max Hall was not great today, but he was good enough to win a game which is very important. He showed some things that you have to be pretty excited so see from a young player and generally are signs of a good QB.
1:He learned throughout the game. Not many young players can do this, but Max showed that he can process his play in a game and apply it later in the same game. Example of this was in the red zone. First time, he almost threw a pick. Second time he threw the ball away. Not every young QB can do that.
2:He got the ball to his playmakers, but also included his other options. Not only did he get the ball to Fitz, but he was also smart enough to understand the need to use everybody. Ben Patrick, Andre Roberts, Max Komar, B Wells, Stephen Williams and Jim Dray were all targeted in this game. This is important because it showed that Max understands that it is a priority to get the ball to Fitz, but you don't have to force it to him every play. The more yards you get, the more opportunities to get the ball to him.
3:He allowed his receivers to make plays. The deep throw to Fitz, the throw to Andre Roberts in traffic, the high throw to S Williams, and the flip to Ben Patrick were all throws that he put to his receivers in their catching radius and allowed them to make a play. Kurt Warner used to say that the worse thing he could do was overthrow Fitz on a deep ball, because it took away his ability to make a great play. Max made throws that gave his receivers chances and they seemed to make the most out of them.
4:The game never seemed to big for him. Despite throwing an early pick or getting down 10 early, Max never seemed overwhelmed. He looked inexperienced at times, but never over matched which is very important.
5:He stopped the bleeding. Guys will talk about how games can snow ball on teams and it takes a special player to be able to stop the effect. Trent Dilfer talks about this, and it's importance in a QB navigating through a NFL football game. Max Hall showed this. He was able to get first downs and stretch out drives, which kept the Saints off the field and never allowed them to get rolling. A prime example was after the Saints touchdown in the first quarter. The Cardinals had possession of the football for 4 min and 51 sec in the first quarter, and the Saints were rolling after the touchdown to a wide open Shockey. Instead of a three and out which would have allowed the Saints to keep rolling, Hall leads the Cardinals on a 5 min drive resulting in a field goal. This slows momentum and allows the defense time to rest and make adjustments. Hall did this several times in the game and showed an ability to slow down the momentum of the game.
Now the question is if he can continue to grow and improve, while showing that he can repeat the things he does well week to week.
1:He learned throughout the game. Not many young players can do this, but Max showed that he can process his play in a game and apply it later in the same game. Example of this was in the red zone. First time, he almost threw a pick. Second time he threw the ball away. Not every young QB can do that.
2:He got the ball to his playmakers, but also included his other options. Not only did he get the ball to Fitz, but he was also smart enough to understand the need to use everybody. Ben Patrick, Andre Roberts, Max Komar, B Wells, Stephen Williams and Jim Dray were all targeted in this game. This is important because it showed that Max understands that it is a priority to get the ball to Fitz, but you don't have to force it to him every play. The more yards you get, the more opportunities to get the ball to him.
3:He allowed his receivers to make plays. The deep throw to Fitz, the throw to Andre Roberts in traffic, the high throw to S Williams, and the flip to Ben Patrick were all throws that he put to his receivers in their catching radius and allowed them to make a play. Kurt Warner used to say that the worse thing he could do was overthrow Fitz on a deep ball, because it took away his ability to make a great play. Max made throws that gave his receivers chances and they seemed to make the most out of them.
4:The game never seemed to big for him. Despite throwing an early pick or getting down 10 early, Max never seemed overwhelmed. He looked inexperienced at times, but never over matched which is very important.
5:He stopped the bleeding. Guys will talk about how games can snow ball on teams and it takes a special player to be able to stop the effect. Trent Dilfer talks about this, and it's importance in a QB navigating through a NFL football game. Max Hall showed this. He was able to get first downs and stretch out drives, which kept the Saints off the field and never allowed them to get rolling. A prime example was after the Saints touchdown in the first quarter. The Cardinals had possession of the football for 4 min and 51 sec in the first quarter, and the Saints were rolling after the touchdown to a wide open Shockey. Instead of a three and out which would have allowed the Saints to keep rolling, Hall leads the Cardinals on a 5 min drive resulting in a field goal. This slows momentum and allows the defense time to rest and make adjustments. Hall did this several times in the game and showed an ability to slow down the momentum of the game.
Now the question is if he can continue to grow and improve, while showing that he can repeat the things he does well week to week.
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The deep floater to Fitz was awesomely Warner-esque. Perfect touch, outside shoulder, led the receiver and hit him in stride.
On the INT early in the game, he forced it into Fitz in double coverage, but since the strong safety was up top doubling Fitz, he had Komar open underneath for at least 8-10 yards plus a run. He's just got to know not to force it. That was the only really terrible read I saw from him, and I expected 3-4 more of these since he's a rookie and still would've been satisfied with his performance. Great game and I can't wait the 2 weeks to see him play again!
On the INT early in the game, he forced it into Fitz in double coverage, but since the strong safety was up top doubling Fitz, he had Komar open underneath for at least 8-10 yards plus a run. He's just got to know not to force it. That was the only really terrible read I saw from him, and I expected 3-4 more of these since he's a rookie and still would've been satisfied with his performance. Great game and I can't wait the 2 weeks to see him play again!
Mulli, read that a thousand times. Then read it again a thousand more times. Then a million times. Then a million more.
No, really. Read it. All those times. When you are done reading it all those times...then you can come and make your sad sack case as to why DA should be starting (your default argument since you think MH is a midget in QB clothing).
IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?
loved your post Chopper.
I love Max Hall if thats what you are saying, I just wanna know how tall he is.
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+1.
The comparisons to Steve Young are justified. Unfortunately, that includes the mad hatter type play from Young/Hall early in their career.
#1 - Has to realized he is going to get hurt, and put on IR if he is not smart about running with the ball. Note to Mr. Hall, we need more than 1 touchdown the rest of the year. Act like you are in the NFL.
#2 - Patience. Compsure. At least 5 throws that if Hall was actually breathing and not hyper-ventilating he would have made them.
No doubt the guy is a competitor, and will make a play. Much better than Anderson, IMO.
But, he is a rookie and needs to CALM DOWN!
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again he was measured at the combine at the exact same height as Brees at his combine. Both were 6'0 5/8" . That was by NFL people who were going to draft players based in part on those measurements.
Their shoulder pads are about even there as are their beltlines, Max is leaning back slightly which makes him look smaller but according to the NFL official measurements they are the same height.
Not sure I agree with this one.
But he is a rookie, so it will be overlooked.
I still want us to draft a quarterback to groom.
You still got Skelton for that. Its Hall good.
DeAnna
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The funniest was the Clark Haggans story, who was on with Jude LaCava last night.
He said that morning in the locker room, Max told HIM to "get his mind right." They were both laughing at that, and Clark told Whis he might want to put Max on specials teams so he could bust a wedge (since he was so hyped up).
He said that morning in the locker room, Max told HIM to "get his mind right." They were both laughing at that, and Clark told Whis he might want to put Max on specials teams so he could bust a wedge (since he was so hyped up).
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Anyone else love how Max looked for and used the TE? 6 catches to the TE.
Anyone with eyes can see that Ben Patrick has good soft hands. Kurt Warner commented during the broadcast how Patrick has all the tools to be a good receiving TE. Just seems the QB's never looked their way. Hopefully Max can change this.
Would be nice to see them used more in the middle of the field.
Anyone with eyes can see that Ben Patrick has good soft hands. Kurt Warner commented during the broadcast how Patrick has all the tools to be a good receiving TE. Just seems the QB's never looked their way. Hopefully Max can change this.
Would be nice to see them used more in the middle of the field.
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The biggest thing to me was his perfect placement of nearly everything he threw to Fitz. They looked like they had been practicing together for a long time, when we know that isn't the case. He was placing the throws almost identical to where Warner would place them when throwing to Fitz: right where Fitz can get em in stride, and out of reach of defenders.
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Max threw a pass to the TE whent he saints were bringing the house DA NEVER could. He just lofted it up there ala Warner style. Took a 1 handed catch but the ability to use touch and get some air under the ball is a great thing to see.
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He was not the reason we won the game BUT I am excited to see him play. He brings a spark. Scrappy kid.... He will only get better. The kid seems to be teachable..
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bah! i don't understand why this site does this to me all the time. i type up something and then it says i don't have permission to post.
here's everything but not as eloquent:
liked hall
he's ty detmer
will be fine for this year
don't think many drew breeses out there. so not hoping that he's one.
if defense plays close to yesterday's performance we should win division.
anyone else notice that the only offensive TD we've scored in the last 9 quarters was by levi brown??? that won't get it done people.
here's everything but not as eloquent:
liked hall
he's ty detmer
will be fine for this year
don't think many drew breeses out there. so not hoping that he's one.
if defense plays close to yesterday's performance we should win division.
anyone else notice that the only offensive TD we've scored in the last 9 quarters was by levi brown??? that won't get it done people.
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
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i can't help it. as excited as i am about yesterday's victory, and make no mistake i am stoked about it, it's difficult not to recognize how unsustainable a win like yesterday's is. that said, i expect that the offense will get better with max growing into it and with the addition of breaston and doucet. but it's still an astounding stat. over two games where the only way the offense scored a td (yes, there have been fgs) was on a forwarded fumble recovery by an offensive lineman???
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The Cards won and Max only made one mistake that cost anything. It will be fun to see what he can do given 2 weeks for the coaching staff to scheme and Max to get starter reps in practice with Fitz and Co.
I like the way they sprinted him out occasionally. Defenitely a nice wrinkle.
I like the way they sprinted him out occasionally. Defenitely a nice wrinkle.
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Probably 'cause IT knew it was going to be something dark-sidey.
no, most of it was positive. i fess up when i was wrong. hall showed a TON more than i expected. and whereas most of my calls were pretty accurate (what did i say, 4 sacks-two ints-1 fumble-out with concussion by third?) the overall effect he had on the game was MUCH better than i expected and i suspect he'll get even better. in answering shane's question about what can maxie do this year i think he can be our qb. that's not dark-sidey at all.
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Nice interview with Hall on the Jim Rome Show today. Tough scrappy kid. I would expect nothing less from a fellow Mountain View grad.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20101012_101210-Max-Hall-on-Rome.mp3
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20101012_101210-Max-Hall-on-Rome.mp3
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