McCown looked good???

[b8rtm8nn]

I watched the game on TV and have seen some remarks in another thread that McCown looked decent and better than Grossman and I'm wondering if we saw the same game.

McCown looked HORRIBLE. His stats mask the number of passing plays that were called and he panicked if any pressure came his way. His mechanics in hand-offs and his movement in the pocket are also poor, he projects plays a step or two in advance.

He reminds me of Burris, the third stringer for the Bears last year, who was waived. McCown may be a good QB in practice, but I want to see Parsons in a game before we bump him for the veteran that we are going to acquire for backup slot next week

 

[ChiCard]

Agree completely. Except for his ability to scramble McCown didn't show much of anything.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

The Cardinal organization made the point that Josh is the guy, so don't expect anything to change.

 

[ChiCard]

I hear ya'.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The point that some of you are missing, is that McCown looked good relative to how he looked last year.

He looks 100 times better, but that isn't saying too much, since he looked like he didn't even belong in the NFL last year.

 

[pinnacle]

I made the comment...I did not see the game on tv..live only. Josh was much improved over week one and two. No turnovers and at least he moved the ball with his feet. 0 turnovers. Rex grossman threw 2 picks and 0 touchdowns. His picks were awful throws. Chris Simms and Ken Dorsey are having much better preseasons - and rex was a 1st round pick.

Josh did not look like a starter - but it was better than what I saw in game 1 or 2 - and in game 3 he started out awful but seemed to do better as the game wore on.. He has happy feet like Plummer...but Josh is alot faster than plummer and could use it to his advantage. 3 for 5 with no picks are not horrible stats when you consider we were playing conservatively with a lead.

 

[Bobcat]

The Cardinal organization made the point that Josh is the guy, so don't expect anything to change.

If this is the case then "Mac" must go!!! Being loyal to a player won't win you ball games. In the business world Josh would be gone by now if I was the coach. We do not need a coaches pet around.

Allan

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Bobcat
The Cardinal organization made the point that Josh is the guy, so don't expect anything to change.

If this is the case then "Mac" must go!!! Being loyal to a player won't win you ball games. In the business world Josh would be gone by now if I was the coach. We do not need a coaches pet around.

Allan

Huh? Mac must go because McCown is the number 2?

Maybe, just maybe, he believes that McCown isn't any worse than the pathetic QBs available. And the team wants to keep Parsons as well.

Sure I wanted a vet backup, but not at the expense of young prospects.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain


Sure I wanted a vet backup, but not at the expense of young prospects.

That is my worry, they bring in a vet since McCown is not remotely close to be a number 2, and we release Parsons, who MAY be a better backup over McCown for the NEAR future.

I saw McCown after the game and he was still high strung and twitchy (just walking off the field) - I think a few years will take that out of him, but to push him as the primary backup now is just silly.

 

[Krangodnzr]

But if anything happens to Blake, be honest, would any backup out there actually win with this team?

Going with the young QB with potential is never a bad thing if you aren't competitive. If Blake goes down I want McCown playing instead of Ray Lucas.

Honestly, I've gone back and forth on this issue, and I've come to the conclusion that he will need to play to get better. His main problems right now aren't physical; Josh McCown physically can play in this league, an area which I sometimes questioned with Plummer.

 

[Bobcat]

Krangthebrain

You are so wrong on Josh, but right on Parsons!!! Parsons os better than Josh, but Mac cannot see the the forest from the trees about Josh. Move Josh to Flanker; where is speed can and could be a benifit. right now he sucks as a QB. He really doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL Qb right now and may never become one. As I said to the people around me the best Qb to play at SDS this years name is "Walter." Not Blake.

We do need another vet at QB. And I think that we will be competetive this year. This team has had 15 years in the valley to rebuild. Now is the time to start winning, "F" rebuilding.

Allan

 

[Shane]

I really never have ben a fan of McCown and watching him hasent changed that opinion!

I personally think that in the long scheme of things Parsons will be a better QB. He has a good arm but doesnt get rattled and just seems to be cool with the football!

That all being said I must agree(just rewatched the game) McCown looked 10 times better tinight then he has in previous games! But the dude definately needs to learn to either slide or run out of bounds!

 

[vince56]

Originally posted by Bobcat
Now is the time to start winning, "F" rebuilding.

Amen to that!!

BTW, I have a new favorite smiley:

Damn that one kicks ass! For some reason it makes me think "Monica Lewinsky" but I can't figger out why

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But if anything happens to Blake, be honest, would any backup out there actually win with this team?

Going with the young QB with potential is never a bad thing if you aren't competitive. If Blake goes down I want McCown playing instead of Ray Lucas.

Honestly, I've gone back and forth on this issue, and I've come to the conclusion that he will need to play to get better. His main problems right now aren't physical; Josh McCown physically can play in this league, an area which I sometimes questioned with Plummer.

Great post. I have never understood the Ray Lucas love fest. McCown needs playing time and lots of it. I am a fan and think he can do it but until he gets playing time regularly he is going to be skittish. I am not suggesting him over Blake for the sake of experience but if Blake goes down, maybe the best thing to do is just throw him in the deep end and let him sink or swim.

Even though the preseason has looked good, I still don't buy this as a playoff contender just yet...especially if starters keep dropping. Therefore there is little harm in playing McCoiwn, if God forbid, Blake gets hurt.

Besides, IMO a vet backup should have been brought on board long before now if they were going to do that.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Even though the preseason has looked good, I still don't buy this as a playoff contender just yet...especially if starters keep dropping. Therefore there is little harm in playing McCoiwn, if God forbid, Blake gets hurt.

We've shown great potential, outplayed all three of our opponents so far but still some folks are OK with throwing this season into the "we're not a contender" file. I just don't get it. This team looks nothing like last years 5-11 debacle. Looking at our schedule there is reason to believe that we can contend for the playoffs this year (especially if we bolster the CB & DE depth) but put a fork in us if McNown becomes our guy. I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong about Cade but he clearly needs another year to develop and I'm not ready to throw in the towel before week 1.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Rivercard
We've shown great potential, outplayed all three of our opponents so far but still some folks are OK with throwing this season into the "we're not a contender" file. I just don't get it. This team looks nothing like last years 5-11 debacle. Looking at our schedule there is reason to believe that we can contend for the playoffs this year (especially if we bolster the CB & DE depth) but put a fork in us if McNown becomes our guy. I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong about Cade but he clearly needs another year to develop and I'm not ready to throw in the towel before week 1.

Well, which Backup QB available, could we win with if Blake goes down? I don't see a single one out there...

I'm not throwing in the towel, and I'm also cautiously imbibing the Cardinal kool-aid. We won't contend this year, but we could be respectable.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I'm not throwing in the towel, and I'm also cautiously imbibing the Cardinal kool-aid. We won't contend this year, but we could be respectable.

You're probably right. But with a few lucky bounces (like in our playoff year) we may have a shot. But come to think of it, luck isn't usually one of our strong points is it?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Rivercard
You're probably right. But with a few lucky bounces (like in our playoff year) we may have a shot. But come to think of it, luck isn't usually one of our strong points is it?

Nope, it has never been a strong point of this franchise.

Even with lucky bounces, with the injury to Starks, and the injuries to solid players KVB and Bell, we will be lucky to go 9-7 with 7-9 looking more realistic.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Nope, it has never been a strong point of this franchise.

Even with lucky bounces, with the injury to Starks, and the injuries to solid players KVB and Bell, we will be lucky to go 9-7 with 7-9 looking more realistic.

That's pretty realistic but we'll have to wait and see. I just get frustrated when people want to throw in the towel before week 1 after we've shown such promise in the preseason. If we were getting shoved around the field I could understand - but we've been doing the shoving.

 

[HookemCardsOld]

I say we bring in Jeff George and see what he can bring to the table. Give him little or no signing bonus so if he is a cancer or has an attitude problem you just cut his ass. He's experienced, and we all know he can throw the ball. Both Parsons and McCown can be put on the practice squad I believe.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by Rivercard
... put a fork in us if McNown becomes our guy. I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong about Cade but he clearly needs another year to develop and I'm not ready to throw in the towel before week 1.

Rivercard:

Cade McNown is out of football. Josh McCown is the Cards' backup (for now, at least).

God help us if we bring McNown in, BTW. He's done. One of the biggest busts of the last decade, IMO.

WC

 

[Assface]

Originally posted by Rivercard
You're probably right. But with a few lucky bounces (like in our playoff year) we may have a shot. But come to think of it, luck isn't usually one of our strong points is it?

The only lucky bounces we ever get is that chick on the jumbotron. I'm going to have to make a point of flying out to see a game.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Well, which Backup QB available, could we win with if Blake goes down? I don't see a single one out there...

Krang:

Of the QBs available, Ray Lucas is still probably the best option. Seven-year vet, career 58.0 percent completions, 6.3 ypa, 18 TDs & 17 INTs. Career year was 1999 with the Jets (161-272-1,678, 14 TDs, 6 INTs). Had two horrible, deer-in-the headlights games last year at Miami, then played reasonably well his next three starts (51-77-642, 2 TDs 0 INTs) as the Dolphins went 2-1.

The Dolphins replaced Lucas with Brian Griese, a former Pro Bowler and the son of a local legend. That doesn't mean Lucas can't still play in this league. He's still relatively young, with good athleticism and arm strength, and highly competitive. I'm honestly surprised that he hasn't already signed with Dallas.

Of the QBs under contract, I'd be going at Philadelphia hard for A.J. Feeley. The right offer might well convince the Eagles to part with their talented third-stringer, who looks from his play the last two seasons (96-168-1,154, 6.9 ypa, 8 TDs & 6 INTs) to be a clear upgrade over Josh McCown.

If the line were solid and the receivers established veterans, I'd be more comfortable with the notion of throwing McCown in and letting him "sink or swim." With the Cards' entire offense in the process of coming together, I'd be more comfortable with a #2 QB who's started a game or two in the NFL.

WC

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Wild Card
Krang:

Of the QBs available, Ray Lucas is still probably the best option. Seven-year vet, career 58.0 percent completions, 6.3 ypa, 18 TDs & 17 INTs. Career year was 1999 with the Jets (161-272-1,678, 14 TDs, 6 INTs). Had two horrible, deer-in-the headlights games last year at Miami, then played reasonably well his next three starts (51-77-642, 2 TDs 0 INTs) as the Dolphins went 2-1.

The Dolphins replaced Lucas with Brian Griese, a former Pro Bowler and the son of a local legend. That doesn't mean Lucas can't still play in this league. He's still relatively young, with good athleticism and arm strength, and highly competitive. I'm honestly surprised that he hasn't already signed with Dallas.

Of the QBs under contract, I'd be going at Philadelphia hard for A.J. Feeley. The right offer might well convince the Eagles to part with their talented third-stringer, who looks from his play the last two seasons (96-168-1,154, 6.9 ypa, 8 TDs & 6 INTs) to be a clear upgrade over Josh McCown.

If the line were solid and the receivers established veterans, I'd be more comfortable with the notion of throwing McCown in and letting him "sink or swim." With the Cards' entire offense in the process of coming together, I'd be more comfortable with a #2 QB who's started a game or two in the NFL.

WC

Oh I understand all that, but is he good enough that we can win with him? I don't think so, and it would be foolish not to give the young guy (McCown) some time if Blake goes down.

I was clamoring for Ray Lucas a few months ago, because I wasn't sure if McCown belonged in the NFL. After the first 3 games, I believe he belongs, but needs time to get the kinks out of his game. If Blake goes down, we are screwed either way imo.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Wild Card
Rivercard:

Cade McNown is out of football. Josh McCown is the Cards' backup (for now, at least).

God help us if we bring McNown in, BTW. He's done. One of the biggest busts of the last decade, IMO.

WC

Doh....Brain fart. Josh-Cade, I've always gotten those two QB's mixed up. Wierd mental block I guess.