McNabb???

[TJ]

Im not one of the people who thinks McNabb is overrated. I think he is still one of the more talented QBs in the league. With that said, I still don't want him on the team, regardless.

To me, trading a 2nd round pick and giving up on Leinart is forfeiting the opportunities for younger players. There is a good chance Leinart comes in a runs the offense successfully. There is also a good chance that our 2nd round pick is someone who can pay immediate dividends or be an impact player the following season (see Calais Campbell). Not only that, we would be taking on an $11 million contract. First, that is the primary indicator that tells me we are NOT going to trade for him. IMO, the organization is done paying big dollars. Second, Whis has already anointed Leinart "The Man." He has the reigns, let him ride with it. Third, McNabb is old. It would be the equivalent of fixing your pipes with duct tape. I'd rather develop a QB who is going to be here long term. Leinart has the edge in that department with three years under his belt studying and learning the offense behind a great coach and a HoF QB.

In short, the team would be loony tunes if they made that trade IMO.

 

[Mulli]

It is weird. The Eagle/Card NFC Championship game really did not seem to come down to McNabb choking because his stats were really good. But one could very easily say McNabb blew it with mistakes and inaccuracy at the wrong times.

Same thing, to a certain extent, happened to Aaron Rodgers against the Cards.

 

[splitsecond]

Im not one of the people who thinks McNabb is overrated. I think he is still one of the more talented QBs in the league. With that said, I still don't want him on the team, regardless.

To me, trading a 2nd round pick and giving up on Leinart is forfeiting the opportunities for younger players. There is a good chance Leinart comes in a runs the offense successfully. There is also a good chance that our 2nd round pick is someone who can pay immediate dividends or be an impact player the following season (see Calais Campbell). Not only that, we would be taking on an $11 million contract. First, that is the primary indicator that tells me we are NOT going to trade for him. IMO, the organization is done paying big dollars. Second, Whis has already anointed Leinart "The Man." He has the reigns, let him ride with it. Third, McNabb is old. It would be the equivalent of fixing your pipes with duct tape. I'd rather develop a QB who is going to be here long term. Leinart has the edge in that department with three years under his belt studying and learning the offense behind a great coach and a HoF QB.

In short, the team would be loony tunes if they made that trade IMO.

I am glad you can put it down rationally, because I can't do it without going on a tirade. Not when it comes to McNabb.

It is weird. The Eagle/Card NFC Championship game really did not seem to come down to McNabb choking because his stats were really good. But one could very easily say McNabb blew it with mistakes and inaccuracy at the wrong times.

Same thing, to a certain extent, happened to Aaron Rodgers against the Cards.

McNabb threw a pick and lost a fumble that game IIRC, and had some wild passes and poor read choices at some critical times. His great plays mostly came from Celek and Jackson burning the tar out of our secondary in the middle of the field.

 

[Mulli]

I am glad you can put it down rationally, because I can't do it without going on a tirade. Not when it comes to McNabb.



McNabb threw a pick and lost a fumble that game IIRC, and had some wild passes and poor read choices at some critical times. His great plays mostly came from Celek and Jackson burning the tar out of our secondary in the middle of the field.

That is kinda what I said.

 

[40yearfan]

It is weird. The Eagle/Card NFC Championship game really did not seem to come down to McNabb choking because his stats were really good. But one could very easily say McNabb blew it with mistakes and inaccuracy at the wrong times.

Same thing, to a certain extent, happened to Aaron Rodgers against the Cards.

Astute observation Mulli.

 

[Mitch]

McNabb is highly overrated through the NFL and media. The perception of course would be in his favor. BUT HE CHOKES EVERY SINGLE TIME HE MAKES THE PLAYOFFS!

How hard is this to comprehend? Why is this thread even still going? How can people really feel more secure in a fairly inaccurate chokejob of a QB than in the guy that Whiz has already says he has confidence in, and has yet to be given the opportunity to win a playoff game? We know what we will get in McNabb: a few dynamite regular season games, a playoff berth, and a choke. I would much rather gamble for something more than the same old McNabb crap.


EDIT: didn't realize that post was a couple days old, either way. Still my feelings on the subject.

Donovan McNabb's career playoff record is 9-6. Kurt Warner's is 9-4. To label him an "everytime" choke in the playoffs is unfair. No, he hasn't won a Super Bowl, but he's knocked on that door repeatedly this past decade. Also, to be fair, McNabb hasn't had the type of first-class WRs that Warner had. If QBs could win Super Bowls simply on their own talent, then one would think Dan Marino would have won several. He didn't win any. Was he a choke? John Elway finally won a Super Bowl late in his career after many attempts. Experience is the greatest teacher.

One more point...did McNabb choke in the NFC Championship game versus the Cardinals? He rallied his team back from a large deficit to take the lead late in the game. He lost in much the same way Warner did in the Super Bowl.

 

[splitsecond]

That is kinda what I said.

basically, yes. I guess my point is, we know McNabb will continue to do this, because he is 33 and done this his whole career.

 

[Mulli]

basically, yes. I guess my point is, we know McNabb will continue to do this, because he is 33 and done this his whole career.

Yep. And this year, his Eagles were completely destroyed by the Cowboys. He is totally out of gas.

 

[Mulli]

Donovan McNabb's career playoff record is 9-6. Kurt Warner's is 9-4. To label him an "everytime" choke in the playoffs is unfair. No, he hasn't won a Super Bowl, but he's knocked on that door repeatedly this past decade. Also, to be fair, McNabb hasn't had the type of first-class WRs that Warner had. If QBs could win Super Bowls simply on their own talent, then one would think Dan Marino would have won several. He didn't win any. Was he a choke? John Elway finally won a Super Bowl late in his career after many attempts. Experience is the greatest teacher.

One more point...did McNabb choke in the NFC Championship game versus the Cardinals? He rallied his team back from a large deficit to take the lead late in the game. He lost in much the same way Warner did in the Super Bowl.

Nope. Warner led the team back in the second half, and he succeeded in his final chance to get a score.

McNabb failed miserably.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I feel like, to quote Yogi Berra, this is "deja vu all over again."

Two years ago the board was so unanimous on Leinart being the starter to the point of lashing out at anyone who would dare question his status or ability.

Here we are two years later and a 5 time Pro Bowl QB who has extensive playoff experience and success (go look up McNabb's playoff record) is being dismissed even though he has professed that he wants to play in Arizona.

Let me ask you this...if the Cardinals were to somehow swing a deal for McNabb, what do you think the perception around the NFL would be? Try to put blind loyalties aside.

I think Jeff said it best, trading for and signing McNabb would be "of Biblical proportions."

Don't know... probably positive given that he's coming in from the east.

But, really, really don't care.

("Biblical proportions" - I know that the Bible covers just about everything pertaining to the human condition, but didn't realize there was a "Book on NFL Trades".)

 

[Mitch]

Nope. Warner led the team back in the second half, and he succeeded in his final chance to get a score.

McNabb failed miserably.

Again, to be fair, the 4th down pass that he threw to Kevin Curtis was right on the money. Curtis slipped a little and replays showed that pass interference could have been called.

 

[Mulli]

Again, to be fair, the 4th down pass that he threw to Kevin Curtis was right on the money. Curtis slipped a little and replays showed that pass interference could have been called.

Mayhaps. It is hard to remember, but I think McNabb wasn't too accurate with the first three downs.

If it had been Warner, the ball doesn't hit the ground.

 

[Zeno]

Again, to be fair, the 4th down pass that he threw to Kevin Curtis was right on the money. Curtis slipped a little and replays showed that pass interference could have been called.

If by right on the money you mean high and behind him then I agree.

 

[Zeno]

McNabb has 9 TDs and 11 INTs in playoff losses...he only had 2 losses with multiple TD passes--against us and the Super Bowl (where he also threw 3 picks). The guy even threw up in the huddle in the Super Bowl because he was so uptight.

He is not worth a first, second or thrid round pick when you also consider he would have to learn a brand new offense for the first time in his career. He might be worth that to teams that run the West Coast offense but not to us.

 

[splitsecond]

Again, to be fair, the 4th down pass that he threw to Kevin Curtis was right on the money. Curtis slipped a little and replays showed that pass interference could have been called.

It is ridiculous the kind of arguments you propound due to your underlying and undying disapproval/hatred of Leinart.

 

[Cardiac]

McNabb has 9 TDs and 11 INTs in playoff losses...he only had 2 losses with multiple TD passes--against us and the Super Bowl (where he also threw 3 picks). The guy even threw up in the huddle in the Super Bowl because he was so uptight.

He is not worth a first, second or thrid round pick when you also consider he would have to learn a brand new offense for the first time in his career. He might be worth that to teams that run the West Coast offense but not to us.

A LOT of NFL players hurl before the game, McNabb just timed it poorly.

 

[Cardiac]

It is ridiculous the kind of arguments you propound due to your underlying and undying disapproval/hatred of Leinart.

Hhmmmm. Mitch doesn't hate Matt, at least not at the level that you hate McNabb.

 

[splitsecond]

Hhmmmm. Mitch doesn't hate Matt, at least not at the level that you hate McNabb.

fair enough, haha.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Ken Whisenhunt hopes McNabb gets everything he wants

Donovan McNabb reportedly wants to play for the Cardinals sometime in the future.

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt, in a generous mood, hopes McNabb's dreams are realized.

"As of right now, he's with another football team so it's not something I can comment on," Whisenhunt said. "I've known Donovan from being on the field with him, and he's a good football player and a good person. Hopefully, things work out for him the way he wants it to."

We saw these comments and thought they were a little too transparent to mean much. Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, who knows Whisenhunt well of course, thinks the Whiz was just having a little fun.