Melvin Names Halsey Fifth Starter

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No "April Fools Day" joke here:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/special3/articles/0401halsey-ON.html

Melvin names Halsey fifth starter

David Vest
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 1, 2005 11:26 AM

Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin on Friday named Brad Halsey the team's No. 5 starter, signaling Halsey's victory in his battle with Michael Gosling for a spot in the rotation.

Gosling also made the team and will begin the season as the left-handed option at long reliever.

"Both of them deserve to make the team," Melvin said, "and we're struggling right now having a long guy, too. We have some guys down there that we don't really feel like, at this point in time, can give us a long-inning type of stint. So, I felt good about keeping Gosling even though he hasn't been a bullpen guy before.

"He certainly did everything to make the team and this way both these guys who deserve to be here are here."

Melvin declined to finalize his bullpen. A final decision is due by Sunday.

I think another factor in Halsey's favor was that he was involved in the Johnson trade (so essentially the Dbacks got 2 starting pitchers and a starting RF in exchange for RJ)......

Isn't Gosling out of options which is why he wasn't sent to AAA? Otherwise, he would have gotten a better opportunity to get some more innings in
Tucson......
 

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another brilliant move by the team, not only has Gosling played better, but has more long term potential....after seeing Ortiz get shelled last night, I fear my prediction of 75-80 wins seems about right. :rolleyes: Remember the years when we were almost a lock to win the playoffs? I miss those days.
 

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Otherwise, he would have gotten a better opportunity to get some more innings in
Tucson......
More outtings like Ortiz last night (and Estes certainly capable of the same wildness), and Gosling will get plenty of innings work from the pen.
 

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Javy gave up what - 9 runs in a couple innings two or three days ago? Halsey couldn't stop throwing his fastball even when it was a failure last outing... Ortiz walked in 2 runs and gave up 6 ER in 1/3 inning... Estes has had some troubled outings - I think we might regard Gosling as 'very long emergency relief' or 'Sixth starter' - plus it'll remind Halsey to keep learning his craft or else.
 

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Since everyone on here seems to be Mr/Mrs Negativity, why would any of you bother going to any of their games? Since you all have them dead and buried already, what's the incentive? It's just amazing to me to read all the posts about baseball finally starting again after a long off season and before they play even the 1st game of the regular season your writing them off as having made horrible trades and/or signings. I just don't understand. :confused:
 

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This is your annual pre-opening-day "bad fan" lecture, right? ;)

I'm not writing them off, because I think they'll be watchable again. I have hope but not blind faith in Vazquez, Webb, and #5; I am delighted with Glaus, both the catchers, 4/5th of the bullpen, most of the bench, and our coaching staff. Our infield defense should be greatly improved.

They DID make some bad deals, as usual (and were not alone), and I suspect that in Ortiz they may turn out to have made one of the 3 or 4 worst of any team in the offseason. Some of us believe it could have been handled more sensibly.

Oh yeah - Seeing RJ in Yankee pinstripes casts a pall over the strart of the season for a few of us.

I went to over half a dozen ST games, and will go to 3 of the games this week - I kept my partial season ticket package. I am thrilled baseball is back - but am I going to be stupidly unrealistic about my team's chances? Am I going to pretend that a couple mediocre pitchers or low-offense infielders are a wonderful thing, Rah Rah!?

I don't see why that's a requirement for being a fan of the team.

 
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Moose Lady said:
Since everyone on here seems to be Mr/Mrs Negativity, why would any of you bother going to any of their games? Since you all have them dead and buried already, what's the incentive? It's just amazing to me to read all the posts about baseball finally starting again after a long off season and before they play even the 1st game of the regular season your writing them off as having made horrible trades and/or signings. I just don't understand. :confused:

Well, you have to understand that we, the "negative" group are not pleased with the direction, and most good writers also realize the same thing; the D-backs chose to follow the pipe dream that the addition of a few aging expensive additions could make this team a "contender", for what is the question. Personally I would have been happier to see them blow it all up, and recognize the reality that we are a middle market team, and need to change the way our organization is run. I am tired of seeing quality young talent not get the needed opportunity to play, and the idea of spending all this money to win 75-80 games is not particularily appetizing. The future of this team for the next 5 years seems pretty uncertain, with large contracts eating up much of payroll.
 

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I am tired of seeing quality young talent not get the needed opportunity to play, and the idea of spending all this money to win 75-80 games is not particularily appetizing. The future of this team for the next 5 years seems pretty uncertain, with large contracts eating up much of payroll.
Essentially agree with your ideas, BUT the most positive thing the current front office did over the off season was refuse to trade away our blue chip prospects, so I'm still hopeful that they can visualize a better quality team down the road.

I didn't like a number of their other moves (other than the items AZZenny cites), but understand that the front office also has the Arizona market in its sights, calculating that the locals would desert the BOB without a "competitive" team on the field. Given the fact that the NL West doesn't have a standout team, they "may" be able to sell that idea for most of the upcoming season. At least the team will be more watchable and entertaining than last year's debacle.

Despite some overblown contracts, they have also apparently managed to turn the team into a fiscally more responsible situation.

So there's still a future for the franchise. A real sign of positive change will occur when Joe Jr. is permanently removed, however.
 

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Well, you have to understand that we, the "negative" group are not pleased with the direction, and most good writers also realize the same thing; the D-backs chose to follow the pipe dream that the addition of a few aging expensive additions could make this team a "contender", for what is the question. Personally I would have been happier to see them blow it all up, and recognize the reality that we are a middle market team, and need to change the way our organization is run. I am tired of seeing quality young talent not get the needed opportunity to play, and the idea of spending all this money to win 75-80 games is not particularily appetizing. The future of this team for the next 5 years seems pretty uncertain, with large contracts eating up much of payroll.

The payroll is somewhere around $15M LESS than last year's (not including a cent of the $19M we acquired over the winter), the team is vastly improved, and the front office has not given away a single piece of the future. What more could you possibly want? :shrug:
 
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Another factor that shouldnt be overlooked is that most of the players the Dbacks acquired this past offseason were to 1-2 year contracts...

True, Ortiz was signed for 4-years, however, he is relatively young and has been successful for most of his career....I'd rather have him as a #2 starter than rushing a younger pitcher into the majors... Plus, the Dbacks had to overpay for him since it is somewhat complex for them at this time to sign those above "mid-tier" (not necessarily classifying Ortiz a "uber" pitcher", but was better than most pitchers that were available at around his "asking" price (range).....

The only signing I questioned initially was Counsell (probably shouldnt have signed him for more than 1-yr), however, I'd rather have him at 2nd base than the likes of Hairston and Cintron (who constantly committed the most "bone-headed" errors last season and were both inconsistent from the plate for the most part).... If Hairston or Cintron can actually manage to prove themselves this season whether it be in the Majors or in Tucson...I am certain that Counsell would be willing to relinquish his starting role at 2nd base next season if in fact the scenario involving Hairston or Cintron finally proving their worth comes to fruition....The signing of Counsell to a 2 yr contract wouldnt affect the Dbacks whatsoever in that sense....

Clayton and Cruz Jr. both merely have 1-yr contracts respectively, so they're esentially "stop-gaps" until Santos or Drew (if he ever miracously signs) will take over at SS and either Terrero, Jackson, or Quentin are poised enough to become an everyday CF next season.......

Green I believe has either a 2-3 yr deal (just precise detail on that escapes me at the moment), but if the Chad Tracy experiment at 1B isnt a complete success this season, then Green can be switched back to 1B to create a spot for either Jackson or Quentin... Tracy could then become a utility player (if he does make an impact with the bat)....

Estes signed merely for a 1-yr contract, so Gosling, Rosario, Edgar Gonzalez, Matt Chico, etc can replace him next season in the starting rotation.....

Glaus was indeed a major risk with his long-term contract, but has anyone noticed his production this Spring..... He's not only proved that he's fully recovered, but he'll thrive in the confines of the BOB and is a force to be wreckened with.........

Vasquez is out of the media pressure/scrutiny in the "Big Apple" and is on a mission to prove that his 2nd half of last season was a fluke, so they have somone who is on a mission to stake his claim... Therefore, I obviously hope that he is successful and also wants to remain in a Dbacks uniform beyond this season (seeing how he can "opt-out" of his contract).....

I know many (and sometimes I) have lambasted Joe Jr. on here repeatedly, but he actually did exhibit some control when trying to acquire that elusive starting CF.... He only sacrificed Fossum (who wouldnt have even made the Dbacks opening-day roster) rather than mortgaging Jackson or Quentin to the As for Byrnes (Cruz Jr. is even more proven than Byrnes is) or for Cameron who is sometimes oft-injured....Another factor about Joe Jr. constraint is that either Byrnes or Cameron would have demanded a hefty long-term contract which would have stalled the Dbacks OF prospects progress considerably.....

I think the best approach is to reserve judgement on all the offseason moves until at least the 1st month of the season is complete in order to gague if all the moves were wise.... Although, they didnt necessarily affect the long-term direction in the process which is the essence....
 

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Another factor that shouldnt be overlooked is that most of the players the Dbacks acquired this past offseason were to 1-2 year contracts...

True, Ortiz was signed for 4-years, however, he is relatively young and has been successful for most of his career....I'd rather have him as a #2 starter than rushing a younger pitcher into the majors... Plus, the Dbacks had to overpay for him since it is somewhat complex for them at this time to sign those above "mid-tier" (not necessarily classifying Ortiz a "uber" pitcher", but was better than most pitchers that were available at around his "asking" price (range).....

The only signing I questioned initially was Counsell (probably shouldnt have signed him for more than 1-yr), however, I'd rather have him at 2nd base than the likes of Hairston and Cintron (who constantly committed the most "bone-headed" errors last season and were both inconsistent from the plate for the most part).... If Hairston or Cintron can actually manage to prove themselves this season whether it be in the Majors or in Tucson...I am certain that Counsell would be willing to relinquish his starting role at 2nd base next season if in fact the scenario involving Hairston or Cintron finally proving their worth comes to fruition....The signing of Counsell to a 2 yr contract wouldnt affect the Dbacks whatsoever in that sense....

Clayton and Cruz Jr. both merely have 1-yr contracts respectively, so they're esentially "stop-gaps" until Santos or Drew (if he ever miracously signs) will take over at SS and either Terrero, Jackson, or Quentin are poised enough to become an everyday CF next season.......

Green I believe has either a 2-3 yr deal (just precise detail on that escapes me at the moment), but if the Chad Tracy experiment at 1B isnt a complete success this season, then Green can be switched back to 1B to create a spot for either Jackson or Quentin... Tracy could then become a utility player (if he does make an impact with the bat)....

Estes signed merely for a 1-yr contract, so Gosling, Rosario, Edgar Gonzalez, Matt Chico, etc can replace him next season in the starting rotation.....

Glaus was indeed a major risk with his long-term contract, but has anyone noticed his production this Spring..... He's not only proved that he's fully recovered, but he'll thrive in the confines of the BOB and is a force to be wreckened with.........

Vasquez is out of the media pressure/scrutiny in the "Big Apple" and is on a mission to prove that his 2nd half of last season was a fluke, so they have somone who is on a mission to stake his claim... Therefore, I obviously hope that he is successful and also wants to remain in a Dbacks uniform beyond this season (seeing how he can "opt-out" of his contract).....

I know many (and sometimes I) have lambasted Joe Jr. on here repeatedly, but he actually did exhibit some control when trying to acquire that elusive starting CF.... He only sacrificed Fossum (who wouldnt have even made the Dbacks opening-day roster) rather than mortgaging Jackson or Quentin to the As for Byrnes (Cruz Jr. is even more proven than Byrnes is) or for Cameron who is sometimes oft-injured....Another factor about Joe Jr. constraint is that either Byrnes or Cameron would have demanded a hefty long-term contract which would have stalled the Dbacks OF prospects progress considerably.....

I think the best approach is to reserve judgement on all the offseason moves until at least the 1st month of the season is complete in order to gague if all the moves were wise.... Although, they didnt necessarily affect the long-term direction in the process which is the essence....



I understand this line of thinking, and I know many people are capable of justifying it, my problem with the team is that I feel it has a complete lack of direction and an identity problem. I don't think that Joe realizes that we are a middle market team at best, and because of this, he spends his money poorly. Perhaps he should see what other middle market teams, (i.e. the Marlins and Indians) have done, and learn from their example. These teams refuse to overpay their own players, and always go for younger and cheaper.

If you look in any publication, the response is the same to the offseason moves of the D-backs: why? Here is one by Dayn Perry; "

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I'm led to ask: Why? The D-backs lost a whopping 111 games last season. No conceivable overhaul is going to make them into contenders in the matter of a single winter. Sure, they've added the likes of Troy Glaus, Shawn Green, Russ Ortiz and Javier Vazquez, but they also lost Randy Johnson.

At this point, I feel the need to point out once again that they lost 111 games in 2004. Marginal upgrades are nifty for a team coming off, say, 85 victories, but this amounts to a lot of wasted money all for a humdrum charge not to lose 100. Big deal. The Snakes badly needed to embrace the rebuilding process, and they failed to do that. "

Again, could you ever see teams like the Marlins or Indians investing more money into players who fit in the categories of mediocre, on the downswing, or overpriced? Rarely, because they know based on their economic situation, that these players are too big of a risk. Big contracts and "feel good" contracts, like the Gonzo "thanks for the memories" contract have ruined the team. Ridiculous contracts for Gonzo and Mantei, among others have ruined a team that was a given for the postseason and always a contender for more. Because of these bad contracts, we were forced to let Miguel walk, and trade Schilling for pennies on the dollar. (Someone needs to tell Joe, when you trade a top 3 pitcher to save money, you need to get some good prospects in return).

I know some of you will come back and say this and that wasn't Joe's fault, because of this circumstance or that circumstance, but look at what we are at today. We are a team with no identity, a complete lack of direction, and we completely forgot what brought us success, lights out pitching. Adding the likes of Russ Ortiz, who has been less consistent as the years went on, and who only will get worse pitching in a hitters park after being in Atlanta and SF before is just another move that shows the complete lack of direction. I would consider this move on par with giving Elmer a ton of money. Ortiz will be laughing all the way to the bank. (very shocking to see him get destroyed by the Red Sox second team the other night....expect to see him getting behind consistently in the count, and having his mediocre fastball killed.)

I can understand why some will bitch at me for being negative, but I have supported this team from the beginning, and even at our worst, I knew that the team had a plan, and you could see the progression the team is making. At this point, contending for a division title appears to be a pipe dream, and the idea of sniffing a title at our budget seems less and less likely. That's baseball for you, I guess, unless you are one of 6 or so teams that can compete financially, you have to have unbelievable talent evaluators, such as the Marlins and Oakland. We don't really fit in either of those categories. :(
 

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I understand this line of thinking, and I know many people are capable of justifying it, my problem with the team is that I feel it has a complete lack of direction and an identity problem. I don't think that Joe realizes that we are a middle market team at best, and because of this, he spends his money poorly. Perhaps he should see what other middle market teams, (i.e. the Marlins and Indians) have done, and learn from their example. These teams refuse to overpay their own players, and always go for younger and cheaper.


As far as "direction & identity", how far has the NYY gone every year since we beat them? George put out some really large contracts for the best he could find and just what did that help? Nothing. Talk about identity problem. And they are still trying to find their "identity".
As far as blowing it apart and starting over, didn't everyone see the lack of fans in the stands last year? This club would take at least another 2-3 years to get it all together with our youngsters out there. Most of the "fans" in Phoenix aren't going to wait that long for another winning season. Yeah, it would be the thing that they should do but realistically they just can't. It will have to be done slowly with bringing 2 or 3 guys up each year along with playing the veterans. We'll just have to slip them in and hope the guys in the stands don't notice. ;)
 
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Moose Lady said:
As far as "direction & identity", how far has the NYY gone every year since we beat them? George put out some really large contracts for the best he could find and just what did that help? Nothing. Talk about identity problem. And they are still trying to find their "identity".
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Didn't the Yankees win their division in 2002, 2003, and 2004 and get to the World Series in 2003? Is that really considered "nothing?"

Also, George and his team operate in a totally different universe. MUCH more income to the team from the fat TV revenue and other NYC based resources, so handing out large contracts is NOT as big a deal with the Yankees as it is with lower level media markets. Can't compare NYY operation with virtually any other organization that has to operate on a more fiscally sound basis.
 
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