Mendenhall the "starter"

[Cardiac]

Not so sure I agree with BA on this. I do recall a play late 3rd early 4th QTR where Duke slipped and fell down and looked like he was out of gas. I also recall him breaking a long run later in the game and it is possible he was tired and could have scored if fresher.

Rookie wall. Slight of build, many compare him to Sproles who never has been named starter.

If Mending is healthy then he has a resume of a quality starting NFL RB.

Me, I'll wait to see how this plays out before getting outraged.

 

[Hollywood]

What would desertdawg say?

I am going to guess:

wfffffff.....'ear

 

[Hollywood]

Fans always want now now now but slow down look at the big picture and use some sense. Don't forget this kid is a rookie he's going to hit that wall especially playing the position he plays. You got a young horse you wanna bring him along at a good pace not run him out of the gate till he falls over there's still a ton of football to be played this year. Remember its not who starts its who finishes.

As far as Mendy this guys been playing hurt all year. I'll give him credit for that. That deserves respect.

I am normally a 'let the professionals (coaches) do their jobs' but this doesn't make any sense. BA is a self proclaimed aggressive offensive coach. Not pulling the trigger with Ellington because you want to save him for the 4th quarter is playing not to lose. I want to win.

 

[Cardiac]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/11/08/the-touchy-subject-with-ellington/

Darren does circle the wagons quickly.

Bottom line is I agree with the premise of the article.

 

[TJ]

Being the "starting" running back is overrated. I'm fine with Mendenhall starting as long as I know Ellington is going to get 20 +/- touches.

The only change I would make is to not make Mendenhall a pass-catching RB.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It doesn't matter who starts. Ellington is going to play about 35 plays, like he has been. He's not going to be able to take the pounding of running the ball 20+ times a game.

 

[Finito]

Your comparing him to Adrian Peterson really? The guy who when its all said and done might be the greatest running back of all time fanboy logic at its best.


Arian's said today they wanna get him 20 touches this week, that's more than he got against ATL just relax see how it plays out before calling for the coaches head

 

[BullheadCardFan]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/11/08/the-touchy-subject-with-ellington/

Darren does circle the wagons quickly.

Bottom line is I agree with the premise of the article.

Good read. Thought the top backs were getting more touches than that.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Even with Mendenhall out and Ellington starting in the Cardinals’ last game, Ellington totaled just 17 touches, with 15 carries and two catches. It seems awfully unlikely that Ellington would get more touches while backing Mendenhall up than he got while starting in Mendenhall’s place.

But what is clear is that even though Arians feels a lot of loyalty toward Mendenhall, Arians realizes that Ellington has been the more explosive playmaker of the two of them this season. Mendenhall has 92 carries for 281 yards this season, an average of 3.1 yards a carry, plus 10 catches for 66 yards, an average of 6.6 yards a catch. Ellington has 43 carries for 333 yards this season, an average of 7.7 yards a carry, plus 22 catches for 198 yards, an average of 9.0 yards a catch.

Link.

 

[BigRedRage]

It doesn't matter who starts. Ellington is going to play about 35 plays, like he has been. He's not going to be able to take the pounding of running the ball 20+ times a game.

it doesn't but he earned the title imo

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[SoCal Cardfan]

I agree with BA.

Why give your skittish old QB 2nd and short (more times than not), when you can get a guaranteed 2nd and 10-11 from Mendenhall?

 

[Jetstream Green]

BA was saying on Sirius--I believe it was Tuesday--that it wasn't just about the injury fear. He said Ellington is one of the few players on offense that can hit the home-run from anywhere on the field and that he wanted to preserve that ability throughout the game, especially in the 4th quarter, and he worried that gassing him too much early would negate that ability. He said he feared it would take the 80 yard TD potential in the 4th quarter and turn it into a 15, 20, 30 yard gain instead. He wants to preserve that fear in the defense for the whole game, he said.

That has no logic what so ever because touchdowns in the first half count just as much as fourth quarter scores. Your still getting what Ellington is going to give you, except you will probably get more. Let's see, Ellington with two big play in the first half and equal yardage tired to a Mendy is still just as good and the Duke can still pull off a 20 yard later on and Mendy hardly even if fresh. No BA, that does not wash with me

 

[JeffGollin]

That has no logic what so ever because touchdowns in the first half count just as much as fourth quarter scores. Your still getting what Ellington is going to give you, except you will probably get more. Let's see, Ellington with two big play in the first half and equal yardage tired to a Mendy is still just as good and the Duke can still pull off a 20 yard later on and Mendy hardly even if fresh. No BA, that does not wash with me

Your logic makes sense, but you may be overlooking one thing BA said - namely that the opposition's reaction to the THREAT of Ellington breaking off an 80-yarder later in games will help us more than their reaction to the THREAT of a worn-down Ellington breaking off a 10 or 15-yarder later in games.

Do I buy it? Maybe a little, but it seems like splitting hairs - i.e. BA's weighing the extent that an opposing team will lose its fear of an overused Ellington against the proverbial "bird in hand" of Ellington getting enough touches

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Your logic makes sense, but you may be overlooking one thing BA said - namely that the opposition's reaction to the THREAT of Ellington breaking off an 80-yarder later in games will help us more than their reaction to the THREAT of a worn-down Ellington breaking off a 10 or 15-yarder later in games.

Do I buy it? Maybe a little, but it seems like splitting hairs - i.e. BA's weighing the extent that an opposing team will lose its fear of an overused Ellington against the proverbial "bird in hand" of Ellington getting enough touches

The thought/idea of breaking an 80 yard run in the first quarter has more time to change the complexity of the game than in the 4th quarter. His logic is flawed.

 

[Shane]

Arians is a ********* genius I tell ya!

 

[desertdawg]

BA lied his ass off, and it damn near cost us the the game.

 

[BigRedRage]

BA lied his ass off, and it damn near cost us the the game.

Are we taking ba`s press comments as gospel?

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[desertdawg]

Are we taking ba`s press comments as gospel?

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I aint taking anything BA says as gospel. Dude is a player/media jocker.

 

[BigRedRage]

I aint taking anything BA says as gospel. Dude is a player/media jocker.

or just a talker. he's going to always answer but doesn't tip his hat. funny how everyone hated whiz for never saying anything yet hate ba more for feeding bs to the media

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[desertdawg]

or just a talker. he's going to always answer but doesn't tip his hat. funny how everyone hated whiz for never saying anything yet hate ba more for feeding bs to the media

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No I'm pretty much dissappointed with who he played, he can lie all he wants if we put the right people in place.

 

[BigRedRage]

so the thread holds its water - why is mendenhall the starter again?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

so the thread holds its water - why is mendenhall the starter again?

Still not sure. Experienced vet? Doesn't fumble? Uh, still not sure.

AE needs to start with Taylor backing him up. A little Williams to see what we have.

 

[BigRedRage]

Ellington had 15 touches Sunday -- 11 rushes and two catches -- which was mostly in line with his past few games. He had 55 yards on the ground and 18 yards through the air, but Arians feels that's the right mix for now.

“I think it's right where it needs to be,” Arians said. “He had plenty again today.”

Rashard Mendenhall fumbled late in the fourth quarter as the Cardinals were trying to seal the win, but that didn't diminish Arian's belief in his starter. It's still the same.

“Oh yeah,” Arians said. “There's no doubt.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/110503/upon-further-review-cardinals-week-10

 

[D-Dogg]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/110503/upon-further-review-cardinals-week-10