Miami Herald blurb about Henry Trade

[Jttsaz]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/11004019.htm


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• The latest among the trade rumors is that a proposed deal between Buffalo and Arizona which would exchange disgruntled Bills running back Travis Henry for Cardinals left tackle L.J. Shelton is currently being held up. Agent Hadley Engelhard is working on a new contract for Henry, but the Cardinals want Henry to play out the final year of his contract before redoing the deal. Shelton, who was reduced to a reserve role, is scheduled to make $3 million a season for the next four years.

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[BACH]

That doesn't make any sense...

Why would you trade a player valued as a high 2nd rounder for a player under contract for only one year???

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/11004019.htm


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• The latest among the trade rumors is that a proposed deal between Buffalo and Arizona which would exchange disgruntled Bills running back Travis Henry for Cardinals left tackle L.J. Shelton is currently being held up. Agent Hadley Engelhard is working on a new contract for Henry, but the Cardinals want Henry to play out the final year of his contract before redoing the deal. Shelton, who was reduced to a reserve role, is scheduled to make $3 million a season for the next four years.

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...This reeks of same ol' Cardinals if this is true, I hope its not, to me the point of bringing in Henry should be for atleast 3 years...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

...This reeks of same ol' Cardinals if this is true, I hope its not, to me the point of bringing in Henry should be for atleast 3 years...

.... anytime someone posts a story, often of dubious origin - seemingly critical of Cards management, one can be certain that someone else is going to trot out the "same old Cards Line..."

In case you haven't noticed that management style of this orgaization has changed rather dramatically over the last number of years...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

.... anytime someone posts a story, often of dubious origin - seemingly critical of Cards management, one can be certain that someone else is going to trot out the "same old Cards Line..."

In case you haven't noticed that management style of this orgaization has changed rather dramatically over the last number of years...

Its obvious that there have been a lot of changes for the better for our beloved Cardinals.

But if this story is true, this does reek of same ol' Cardinals and that is what makes me upset.

We are supposed to be trying to convine FA's and other players to come play here, but how do you show a player you want them to be here by not offering to sign him to at least a semi-long term contract.

This is exactly the kind of move that will assure that we will not be able--once again--to attract quality impact FA's to the desert (last year not included).

Change is hard (especially for Biwill Sr.) but if you are gonna change, you have to change 100% and this story does not lead me to conclude that 100% is taking place if true.

Perception is everything to FA's and we have to make them feel like no one wants them more than us.

Telling a FA or possible FA that we think you are great...but come play here for one year and then we'll decide if we want you here is not exactly enticing.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Its obvious that there have been a lot of changes for the better for our beloved Cardinals.

But if this story is true, this does reek of same ol' Cardinals and that is what makes me upset.

We are supposed to be trying to convine FA's and other players to come play here, but how do you show a player you want them to be here by not offering to sign him to atleast a semi-long term contract.

This is exactly the kind of move that will assure that we will not be able--once again--to attract quality impact FA's to the desert (last year not included).

Change is hard (especially for Biwill Sr.) but if you are gonna change, you have to change 100% and this story does not lead me to conclude that 100% is taking place if true.

Perception is everything to FA's and we have to make them feel like no one wants them more than us.

Telling a FA or possible FA that we think you are great...but come play here for one year and then we'll decide if we want you here is not exactly enticing.

You are jerking yourself around based on a purely speculative story.

If... and only if... this story is confirmed through two sources, will I give it the time of day.

And may I suggest, until then... you ought to do the same.

 

[AntSports Steve]

I'm sure the story has gotten it's facts just slightly wrong.

What the Cards are probably asking Henry is to extend his contract instead of redo-ing his contract. Extend means that he completes 2005 under his current contract and they add extra years. Henry probably wants more money now.

The same is going on with Boldin. He wants to redo while the Cards want to extend.

It makes a lot of sense for management as they players did sign their current contracts and when extending, they'll toss in a signing bonus to increase the guarenteed money.

Players of course want more now.

All these details are argued over with by agents and management for all teams for all contracts. On Wed when trades are announced, we will find out what really is happening.

Until then, it's all pure spectulation or rumor.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'm sure the story has gotten it's facts just slightly wrong.

What the Cards are probably asking Henry is to extend his contract instead of redo-ing his contract. Extend means that he completes 2005 under his current contract and they add extra years. Henry probably wants more money now.

The same is going on with Boldin. He wants to redo while the Cards want to extend.

It makes a lot of sense for management as they players did sign their current contracts and when extending, they'll toss in a signing bonus to increase the guarenteed money.

Players of course want more now.

All these details are argued over with by agents and management for all teams for all contracts. On Wed when trades are announced, we will find out what really is happening.

Until then, it's all pure spectulation or rumor.

Thanks....

This was certainly what I thought was going on. But, again, as you say - we'll know soon enough.

I have a sneaking suspicion that unless they get their way with Henry, they'll quickly start considering other options involving Shelton; ranging from a pick or picks... to keeping him.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

You are jerking yourself around based on a purely speculative story.

If... and only if... this story is confirmed through two sources, will I give it the time of day.

And may I suggest, until then... you ought to do the same.

If you read my posts I clearly state IF the story is true and then my feelings on it IF it is true

 

[Scott MS]

All speculation, but, frankly, the Cards are trading a player already signed for 4 more years in L.J. Shelton, at a $3M a year salary. In return, they should be able to take advantage of a pre-existing contract for the player they receive.

Why should Henry get a pay increase in a trade? I agree with the Cards. Henry is NOT a free agent. He needs to live up to his current contract rate, and then agree to more money in future years.

If Henry is NOT traded, he will still make what his contract states and still be "disgruntled".

 

[Russ Smith]

All speculation, but, frankly, the Cards are trading a player already signed for 4 more years in L.J. Shelton, at a $3M a year salary. In return, they should be able to take advantage of a pre-existing contract for the player they receive.

Why should Henry get a pay increase in a trade? I agree with the Cards. Henry is NOT a free agent. He needs to live up to his current contract rate, and then agree to more money in future years.

If Henry is NOT traded, he will still make what his contract states and still be "disgruntled".

the other issue is the Cards are getting a guy who started 5 games last year and has had 2 major injuries to his legs in 2 years. It'd be nice to know he at least intends to re-up with us, but frankly we're not sure what we're getting yet. The Cards may have decided they wanted to SEE Henry in games for us before they commit to a longer deal. Afterall if we had to we could transition or tag him at the end of the year if he plays well, or just let him go if he doesn't.

It does work both ways, it'd be nice to have him locked in but that has to be a Card friendly deal and odds are that's not what Heny is expecting.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Didn't Green say on NFL Total Access that the Cards were looking to get their RB for the next 4-6 years this off season?

 

[football karma]

What the Cards are probably asking Henry is to extend his contract instead of redo-ing his contract. Extend means that he completes 2005 under his current contract and they add extra years. Henry probably wants more money now.

The same is going on with Boldin. He wants to redo while the Cards want to extend.

Just to be clear -- its my understanding with the Boldin deal that the Cards position is that if they are going to give him a huge raise, then they want to extend the length of the contract. Boldin/Rosenhaus are asking for a raise on the current contract, one that makes him an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 06 season.

 

[blillyl]

So what would be the benefit for the Cards?

 

[joeshmo]

Just to be clear -- its my understanding with the Boldin deal that the Cards position is that if they are going to give him a huge raise, then they want to extend the length of the contract. Boldin/Rosenhaus are asking for a raise on the current contract, one that makes him an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 06 season.

Thats not it at all.

The cards want to extend Boldins deal that he already has giving him a signing bonus, and extra years.

Boldin doesnt want to do that becuase he would still be getting paid the base salaries he signed on for in his orignal deal and would only be get a signing bonus and extra years out of it. What Boldin wants his old deal ripped up and given a whole brand new long term deal. That would raise his base salaries, signing bonus, and give him extra years.

 

[Jttsaz]

He's also asking for a deal similar to Fitz's deal...Green already came out and said that it's not realistic for Boldin to expect to get paid like a #3 overall pick...

 

[CardShark]

The funny thing is, is that Boldin outplayed that #3 pick in his rookie year as well as his shortened sophomore year. I think the need to pay him for his play on the field when they are talking about new contracts. If not he'll be gone at the end of this one.

 

[chickenhead]

So why are Henry's demands holding up a trade? Is the implication that he would hold out?

 

[azdad1978]

Green already came out and said that it's not realistic for Boldin to expect to get paid like a #3 overall pick...

Thats news to me. I never read that quote from Green before.

 

[JPlay]

the other issue is the Cards are getting a guy who started 5 games last year and has had 2 major injuries to his legs in 2 years. It'd be nice to know he at least intends to re-up with us, but frankly we're not sure what we're getting yet. The Cards may have decided they wanted to SEE Henry in games for us before they commit to a longer deal. Afterall if we had to we could transition or tag him at the end of the year if he plays well, or just let him go if he doesn't.

It does work both ways, it'd be nice to have him locked in but that has to be a Card friendly deal and odds are that's not what Heny is expecting.

Exactly. This is smart thinking by the Cardinals. You don't sign a RB long-term that has just come off serious injuries and had the worst year of his career last year. The Cardinals want to evaluate his performance before they sign him long-term. It's good strategy especially with all of the RB talent in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if they passed on this deal and got draft pick.

 

[Faithful]

The funny thing is, is that Boldin outplayed that #3 pick in his rookie year as well as his shortened sophomore year. I think they need to pay him for his play on the field when they are talking about new contracts. If not he'll be gone at the end of this one.