Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[TBaslim]

Long run (me) vs. short run (you)

I'm ready for this team to actually make moves that lay a true foundation for a future as opposed to middling around as they always have....

After his decision to re-sign this summer, the Suns are not trading Nash unless he requests it. I would hope that's clear to everyone.

AND he's playing some of the best ball of his career this year, while helping grow young talent (that foundation thing) for the Sun's future.

This is Nash and Grant Hill's team this year and most likely next, unless they want to bail.

The Amare thing is financial - he's a max talent player who will not get a max contract from the Suns due to injury risk and lackluster effort at times, especially given the type of team the Suns are trying to build. Unless he wants to sign a more reasonable extension, they will try to get something for him - either in the next week or this summer, IMO.

 

[sunsfan88]

So what would the trade look like? Amare, J-Rich, Collins and Amundson for Beasley, O'Neal, Richardson,Wright and 1st rd pick? I would rather have Chalmers than Wright though.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Why on earth would Miami take on Richardson's contract when they have the money available to just make a run at Bosh or Amare this summer?

Riley may be under pressure to make sure Wade is happy, but Miami is in the best position out of any team this summer. They already have bird rights to one of the best players in the world, have more cap space than anyone in the league, and can offer Miami Beach.

If I am Riley I refuse to take on any additional salary and call the Suns bluff that they will re-sign Amare. If they do re-sign Amare or somehow find a trade partner where Amare will re-sign, I shrug and make a run at LeBron, Bosh, Joe Johnson...

I think the biggest reason is it shows Wade they are being proactive... The Heat are 25-27, losers of 5 of 6 and getting killed. everytime Dwade is asked, he hums and hawds and scoots around the question because quite frankly he does not have a reason to stay in Miami, and won't as long as the Heat are what they are..

They will have cap room this summer, but if Wade bolts, who the hell else is going to want to sign with the heat....

Getting Amare and JRich, they will still have 5-7 million to spend on F.A. on a fourth option, they will have a team that Wade wants a legit star next to him on the low poast and scorers around him..

 

[Mr. Boldin]

I think the biggest reason is it shows Wade they are being proactive... The Heat are 25-27, losers of 5 of 6 and getting killed. everytime Dwade is asked, he hums and hawds and scoots around the question because quite frankly he does not have a reason to stay in Miami, and won't as long as the Heat are what they are..

They will have cap room this summer, but if Wade bolts, who the hell else is going to want to sign with the heat....

Getting Amare and JRich, they will still have 5-7 million to spend on F.A. on a fourth option, they will have a team that Wade wants a legit star next to him on the low poast and scorers around him..

Where is Wade going to go? The best opportunity he has to play on a very good team is Miami first. He isnt going anywhere unless Riley strikes out in free agency. Frankly, that just isnt going to happen, because Miami has so many options and ways to knock this free agency out of the park, Wade isnt just going to leave at the drop of a hat.

Miami is in position to sign Bosh/LeBron/Amare AND another impact free agent. Taking on Richardson in order to get Amare doesnt make them one of the top 4 teams in the East.

 

[elindholm]

What makes you so sure? Its not like JRich has a terrible contract, and by bringing in Amare the Heat are saying theyre not going after super big names in the 2010 class.

Well, you mean they're saying they're not going after Bosh. They weren't getting James anyway, they'd already have Wade and Stoudemire, and I haven't heard any speculation that they'd be interested in Johnson.

But, believe it or not, the Heat could still be FA players this summer. If they make the trade of Beasley and filler for Stoudemire, do you know how many players are under contract for 2010-11? Three: Wade, Stoudemire, and Daequan Cook. That's it. Other than that it's wide open. Salary cap rules are complicated when you have that many open roster spots, so I couldn't tell you how much cap space they'd have, but it would at least be a decent amount.

Besides Bosh, can you tell me some names that would be interested in coming here possibly next season?

No, it's the other way around. Miami wants their cap space, not Jason Richardson.

 

[jlove]

I know Phoenix has said they'd like to get expirings, young talent and draft picks in any deal with Amare. I have structured a 3 way between the teams that gives every team better outlook for the future. The Suns are said to NOT liking Beasley, but have expressed extreme interest in Iggy. Basic premise is as follows:

Miami trades: JO and Beasley
Miami gets: Amare and Barbosa

Philly trades: Iggy/Daly/Speights and either Young or Holiday
Philly gets: JO/Beasley/Amundson

Phoenix trades: Amare/Barbosa/Amundson
Phoenix gets: Iggy/Daly/Speights and either Young or Holiday

Miami ensures they get Amare to team with Wade along with one of the best 6th men in the league. With this deal, I'd have Phoenix give up a few 2nd rd picks or maybe even their 2012 1st rd pick.

Philly gets what they are looking for. 2 expirings along with a young SF/PF talent in Beasley for the long haul, wile shipping out 2 albatross salaries.

Phoenix gets what they are looking for (except for draft picks) and get young for the future. They ship out Amare, who is an unknown future with the team as it is. The lose one of the best 6th men in the league in Barbosa and a HUGE fan favorite in Amundson, but they stock up for the future. The get Iggy to supplant J-Rich and Hill, Speights to supplant the loss of Amare, another big defender/rebounder to take Lou's spot, and they get youth at the 3/4 in Young or someone to go back and forth with Dragic and Nash at the 1/2 in Holiday. Plus next summer (when the lockout/CBA comes into effect), Daly and J-Rich ($26 mil) both come off the books or can be used in deals next year as expirings.

 

[jlove]

Future youth (with the proposed 3way above):

Dragic/(Holiday)
Iggy
Clark/Dudley
Speights/(Young)
Lopez

 

[Folster]

Philly gets screwed.

 

[jlove]

Philly gets screwed.

How is that? They get out of Iggy's long deal, and Daly's deal, plus they get Beasley for the future. They basically give up Speights and Young/Holiday for Beasley. Beasley is better than that package. So how do they get screwed?

 

[Folster]

How is that? They get out of Iggy's long deal, and Daly's deal, plus they get Beasley for the future. They basically give up Speights and Young/Holiday for Beasley. Beasley is better than that package. So how do they get screwed?

Philly wouldn't give up that package for Stoudemire. Why would they do it for Beasley? They'd rather have Speights and Young/Holiday than Beasley.

 

[TBaslim]

No way the Suns take back Iggy and Dally without getting rid of JRich's contract. They would pay the lux tax this year and next for sure.

And, btw, I'm not sure why everyone is so hot to trade Barbs. Yes, he's injured this season, but he is great talent for the $$, and a great teamate who thrives with Nash. His 3point shooting is vital if a slashing guard like Iggy comes back with JRich leaving at some point.

 

[schutd]

Long run (me) vs. short run (you)

I'm ready for this team to actually make moves that lay a true foundation for a future as opposed to middling around as they always have....

+1!

Ive been lurking here for years waiting for something to talk about. all ive gotten for awhile now is frustration.

 

[Black Jesus]

No way the Suns take back Iggy and Dally without getting rid of JRich's contract. They would pay the lux tax this year and next for sure.

And, btw, I'm not sure why everyone is so hot to trade Barbs. Yes, he's injured this season, but he is great talent for the $$, and a great teamate who thrives with Nash. His 3point shooting is vital if a slashing guard like Iggy comes back with JRich leaving at some point.

Barbosa is garbage.

He is a black hole that is turnover prone and a defensive liability. Should of traded him 2 or 3 seasons ago when he actually had value.

 

[Folster]

Barbosa is garbage.

He is a black hole that is turnover prone and a defensive liability. Should of traded him 2 or 3 seasons ago when he actually had value.

Are you describing Barbosa or Stoudemire?

 

[Chaplin]

Are you describing Barbosa or Stoudemire?

His screen name is Black Jesus. Of course he's describing Barbosa.

 

[jagu]

J-Rich would get a lot of awesome looks with Wade on the court.

Amare
Wade
JRich

thats a really good group in the starting lineup for the Heat.

 

[sunsfan88]

No way the Suns take back Iggy and Dally without getting rid of JRich's contract. They would pay the lux tax this year and next for sure.

And, btw, I'm not sure why everyone is so hot to trade Barbs. Yes, he's injured this season, but he is great talent for the $$, and a great teamate who thrives with Nash. His 3point shooting is vital if a slashing guard like Iggy comes back with JRich leaving at some point.

Barbosa has trade value cause his contract is expiring soon and can be a solid player at a low price.

 

[Chaplin]

Barbosa has trade value cause his contract is expiring soon and can be a solid player at a low price.

Not can be. IS a solid player at a low price. And we all know how rare that is. So what makes you think we'd get equal value in return for such a bargain contract? The simple answer is that we won't.

 

[mojorizen7]

I agree that it's not a good business decision but it's a good basketball one. I freaking love Nash and I always will. However, he is not going to help us win a title and is too old to build around. I say trade him while he still has value. If your trading Amare then trading Nash makes sense IMO.

Agreed. I'm not really sure what the expectations are in all these scenarios where we're trading Amare,Barbosa and JRich away for various garbage..... but somehow keeping Nash and SSOL while building around Lopez and a rookie that nobody wants to see take Grant Hill's minutes makes us a better team with upside?

This team needs to do more than just wipe off the fancy toilet seat.....it's time to flush it and begin to stockpile picks somehow. Youth.
Beasley is the ONLY name mentioned that peaks my interest.
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[mojorizen7]

Its maddening the Suns aren't going to do by far and away the best deal we've heard rumored because Beasley smokes a joint now and again, ridiculous.

In the event that this is true......
Completely agree and this has been the pattern since the team scandal in the early 80's.(with a couple rare exceptions) ie; X-Man,Barkley,Dumas come to mind.

 

[devilalum]

For all of you that want to trade Nash I say be patient. If the Suns trade Amare and start losing heavily Nash might ask for a trade during the off season. But I totally agree with whoever said "The only way Nash gets traded is if he asks for it."

 

[elindholm]

Some of you act like Nash is the reason this team won't win a title in the next five years. The Suns are far below the level of the league's best teams, and dumping Nash won't change that. By the time the Suns can call themselves contenders again, they'll be led by players we never imagined -- most likely by players who aren't even in the league yet. In the meantime, Nash is doing a lot of short-term good and no long-term harm. Let him stick around.

 

[Chaplin]

I agree that it's not a good business decision but it's a good basketball one. I freaking love Nash and I always will. However, he is not going to help us win a title and is too old to build around. I say trade him while he still has value. If your trading Amare then trading Nash makes sense IMO.

Since when has this organization in the past 10 years made any decision based on basketball and not money? The Colangelos did it before Sarver took over and Sarver does it now.

People complain and complain and yet expect the leopard to change its spots. It's not going to happen. Nash is staying, people need to get used to that idea.

 

[Black Jesus]

Are you describing Barbosa or Stoudemire?

Barbosa is not himself anymore. Cant shoot.

I have no problem with Amare taking close to 16 shots a game, and I kind of want to trade him. I made this screen name wayyy back cause I thought the tattoo on his neck was the funniest thing ever. (Didn't know my opinion would be judged on it.)

Anyhow.

42% FG shooting and 33% 3-pt shooting with Nash as your PG doesn't cut it, neither does his 1.7 assists.

Barbosa was a product of a system we no longer "run"...

 

[slinslin]

Beasley is the only legit talented player mentioned so far, if we don't take that trade make another one because he ocassionaly smoked pot in the past, but not anymore since he is being monitored by the league, I'lll stop watching this team.