Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[Chaplin]

Barbosa is not himself anymore. Cant shoot.

I have no problem with Amare taking close to 16 shots a game, and I kind of want to trade him. I made this screen name wayyy back cause I thought the tattoo on his neck was the funniest thing ever. (Didn't know my opinion would be judged on it.)

Anyhow.

42% FG shooting and 33% 3-pt shooting with Nash as your PG doesn't cut it, neither does his 1.7 assists.

Barbosa was a product of a system we no longer "run"...

You do know he's been injured all season, right?

 

[Milgod]

You do know he's been injured all season, right?

Whoa there, hold on. He did have about 1/2 games where he was fully fit, lets not get carried away . . . . .

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Wrong. Leandro has been injured all year, and it's been a variety of injuries. He injured his wrist in while playing for Brazil during the summer, and that's never healed. It's amazing how people can complain about Barbosa considering he's one of the best assets on the team. When healthy, he's an extremely valuable weapon and is one of the few Suns that can actually create his own shot. He's also cheap, making about 5 million per year. I really hope he takes this summer off so he can get completely healthy, his current health was clearly affecting his game.

 

[Chaplin]

Whoa there, hold on. He did have about 1/2 games where he was fully fit, lets not get carried away . . . . .

That is incorrect. He's had the cyst for the entire season.

 

[Milgod]

That is incorrect. He's had the cyst for the entire season.

Maybe you need to turn on your sarcasm scanner.

 

[Chaplin]

Maybe you need to turn on your sarcasm scanner.

You said he was fully fit for half the games. If that is supposed to be sarcasm, maybe you need to change up your language.

 

[joshstmarie]

and is one of the few Suns that can actually create his own shot.

Nooot really. Unless you consider spot up 3ptrs or fast break layups creating your own shot.

He's also cheap, making about 5 million per year.

Actually the next three years hes going to be making 6.6/7/7.6.

For a guy that cant stay healthy and basically folds in the playoffs.. Id almost be willing to say hes overpaid.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nooot really. Unless you consider spot up 3ptrs or fast break layups creating your own shot.

LB can create driving layups in the half court with his speed. He is also developing a mid-range shot.

Actually the next three years hes going to be making 6.6/7/7.6.

For a guy that cant stay healthy and basically folds in the playoffs.. Id almost be willing to say hes overpaid.

This is the first season I can remember that LB had any significant injury problems. When LB comes back fully healthy, I expect him to be a major contributor off the bench. He has won the 6th man award as you may recall.

LB is worth every dollar.

 

[Milgod]

You said he was fully fit for half the games. If that is supposed to be sarcasm, maybe you need to change up your language.

I said he was fully fit for one or two games.

 

[joshstmarie]

LB can create driving layups in the half court with his speed. He is also developing a mid-range shot.

Yea, the ole brandon roy half court offense (hold the ball for 22 seconds then call for a screen) not really creating your own shot IMO. And his mid range jumper that you see once every 3 games is far from effective.

This is the first season I can remember that LB had any significant injury problems. When LB comes back fully healthy, I expect him to be a major contributor off the bench. He has won the 6th man award as you may recall.

LB is worth every dollar.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2166

Hes missed around 90 games throughout his 7 year career.

 

[overseascardfan]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep.../14/20100214suns-stoudemire-trade-update.html

Back on topic, if MIA has offered Beasley and O'Neal as this article indicates and PHX has no interest then this really pisses me off no end. That package is much more appealing than Illguaskas & Hickson. Beasley is a much better player than Hickson and O'Neal is much better than Z. What I do not understand is why we would waive O'Neal or Illgauskas to save cap when each expires at the end of the year anyway. What is remaining on their contracts now like $10M or a little less, they buy out is probably around $5 or $6M. Sarver just needs to sell this team back to Colangelo who is looking to return to the NBA. He has failed big time.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hes missed around 90 games throughout his 7 year career.

Anyway there are 82 NBA games a season x 7 years = 574 total games (minus 90 for games missed)

Then divide 484 games LB played by 7 years equals an average of 69 games a year played. Not bad.

Then factor in LB missed a bunch of games in November 2008 when he went back to Brazil for the death of his mother (if you want to hold this against him even though it was not an injury) and then consider he missed most of the games this NBA season due to an injury he incurred this past summer when he initially hurt his wrist while leading the Brazilian National Team to a gold medal in the FIBA Americas Championship tournament.

And yes LB can create his own shot with a spread floor when the Suns choose to use him as a weapon.

 

[azsportsfan01]

Sarver just needs to sell this team back to Colangelo who is looking to return to the NBA. He has failed big time.

Colangelo isn't looking to buy a team, he is looking to become a president of a team. The reason he sold the Suns and Diamondbacks was so his family wouldn't have to pay the estate tax once he passes away. You can put to bed any thought of him coming back to the Suns.

 

[Covert Rain]

Since when has this organization in the past 10 years made any decision based on basketball and not money? The Colangelos did it before Sarver took over and Sarver does it now.

People complain and complain and yet expect the leopard to change its spots. It's not going to happen. Nash is staying, people need to get used to that idea.

Nobody is saying the old F.O. has not made financial decisions but not at the Sarver level. Also, you can't blame the cost cutting that went on in the year leading up to Sarver because those were mandated by Sarver and his investment group PRIOR to their being made any official offer.

Also, the fact that Nash is staying has nothing to do with should he stay. I think most fans know he isn't going anywhere. That doesn't mean it's best for the franchise.

 

[joshstmarie]

Anyway there are 82 NBA games a season x 7 years = 574 total games (minus 90 for games missed)

Then divide 484 games LB played by 7 years equals an average of 69 games a year played. Not bad.

Then factor in LB missed a bunch of games in November 2008 when he went back to Brazil for the death of his mother (if you want to hold this against him even though it was not an injury) and then consider he missed most of the games this NBA season due to an injury he incurred this past summer when he initially hurt his wrist while leading the Brazilian National Team to a gold medal in the FIBA Americas Championship tournament.

And yes LB can create his own shot with a spread floor when the Suns choose to use him as a weapon.

Why are you doing all this math, you said "This is the first season I can remember that LB had any significant injury problems."
And I showed you that hes actually injured quite a bit. I dont care why or how hes missed games. Its a fact. Hes absent 1 out of every 5ish games. Thats alot.

 

[Mainstreet]

Why are you doing all this math, you said "This is the first season I can remember that LB had any significant injury problems."
And I showed you that hes actually injured quite a bit. I dont care why or how hes missed games. Its a fact. Hes absent 1 out of every 5ish games. Thats alot.

You have not proved to me that LB is injured quite a bit. I think your math is off when you say he misses one out of five games (20%). In any regard, if you take take into account LB only missed significant time to injury this season, his track record is quite good.

Also games missed does not necessarily mean games missed due to injury.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Actually the next three years hes going to be making 6.6/7/7.6.

For a guy that cant stay healthy and basically folds in the playoffs.. Id almost be willing to say hes overpaid.

6.5-7.5 mil per year for a legitimate 6th man candidate is perfectly reasonable, and I think most teams wouldn't have any problem paying it. The combination of injuries and reduced minutes have hurt his production over the last year, year and a half, but I'd hope you wouldn't be myopic enough to judge him solely on that period.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Looks like Miami is upping the ante

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Looks like Miami is upping the ante

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483

A deal with Beasley as the centerpiece would trump any other option easily. Git'er done.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

A deal with Beasley as the centerpiece would trump any other option easily. Git'er done.

+1

Beasley is the ultimate low risk, high reward scenario at this early stage of his career. So, if he turns out to be a head case, then cut him loose or let his rookie contract expire. The point is that at least there's a CHANCE of building a team with him in the future....

 

[SunsTzu]

+1

Beasley is the ultimate low risk, high reward scenario at this early stage of his career. So, if he turns out to be a head case, then cut him loose or let his rookie contract expire. The point is that at least there's a CHANCE of building a team with him in the future....

Exactly. I don't even like Beasley or think he'll reach his potential but the chance he will is better than getting Hickson. Ideally I'd like the Suns to build up his value the rest of the season and trade him in the offseason.

 

[TJ]

+1

Beasley is the ultimate low risk, high reward scenario at this early stage of his career. So, if he turns out to be a head case, then cut him loose or let his rookie contract expire. The point is that at least there's a CHANCE of building a team with him in the future....

As long as he does not relapse, which I dont think he will.

I am personally against all of the proposed trades for Amare, but obviously, I cannot control the situation so I am stuck with whatever decision the FO decides to make. I would rather have Beasley than JJ Hickson. And Miami's first round pick is going to be a lot better than the Cavs, with a slight chance of it being a lottery pick.

Seriously, can Feb 18 come already? The suspense is killing me

 

[sunsallday]

Yes! Win win for both teams. The Heat get the finisher and second scorer they have been looking for and the Suns get a young player with a ton of talent. I would enjoy watching a young Suns team with Dragic/whoever/Clark/Beasly/Lopez. I would also enjoy watching a Wade+Stoudemire duo.

 

[Folster]

Looks like Miami is upping the ante

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483

The article mentions the Heat trying to include a third team, most likely to take Beasley. Memphis? There is speculation that they don't want pay Gay this summer. He'll probably command 10-12 million as a restricted free agent, perhaps more if teams like NY get desperate, but at least we'd have the right to match any offer. I recall Memphis wanting to trade Gay for Beasley last year as well.

This trade works: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yknpjfu

Nash, Dragic
Richardson, Barbosa
Gay, Hill, Dudley
Haslem, Amundson, Clark
Lopez, Frye

 

[tobiazz]

Just seeing Beasley on the court, he rubs me the wrong way. I didn't like his personality much when talking to Kevin Love in some Rucker Park special before they were drafted.

However, he seemed more annoying than troublesome. If they can't manage a Gay three-way (sorry, pun intended) and instead decide to take JJ Hickson over Beasley, that seems crazy. That said, I can't disagree with such a move yet, as I have barely watched any Heat or Cavs games this season, so I have not scouted these players much.