Mike "I wanne be here" James

[Mainstreet]

Lots of trade speculation for the Suns contained in one article. See link below.

Much of it seems to be a rehash of previous rumors.

The Tyson Chandler trade rumors appear newer.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...ns-news-rumors-trade-speculation-z/848563001/

 

[Finito]

Marbury was more likable than Kidd and became a huge star in China but he was cocky here in Phoenix while never doing anything to back it up. He was humbled a bit by being traded by the Suns for nothing but cap relief and not being able to carry New York anywhere, which was his hometown team. The Marbury who went onto to be a huge star in China didn't have the same ego he did here in Phoenix or in New York.

Marbury was actually really good here and played great the team was really young and not ready

 

[Hoop Head]

The Suns could always buy some time with Mike James by sending him to the D-League, he is on a Two-Way contract so they can send him down but wouldn't be able to recall him without a real contract. They should have put him on assignment a few times this year between games, which would have given them a few added days.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns could always buy some time with Mike James by sending him to the D-League, he is on a Two-Way contract so they can send him down but wouldn't be able to recall him without a real contract. They should have put him on assignment a few times this year between games, which would have given them a few added days.

I think the contract with James was designed to sign him to a standard NBA contract after 45 days or make him a free agent. The G-League was apparently not a realistic option.

Here is something that I found but I do not know all the intricacies.

While James signing a two-way deal gives the allusion that he’ll be spending time in the G League with the Northern Arizona Suns, that’s likely not going to happen.

A source tells Ridiculous Upside that James will begin the first 45 days of the regular season with the Phoenix Suns where he could receive as much as $200,000, the maximum amount allowed for players under two-way deals that just spend time in the NBA. After those 45 days, the Suns will have an option to convert James to a standard NBA contract for the remainder of the season, otherwise he’ll become a free agent.

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/20...s-nba-summer-league-two-way-phoenix-suns-2017

 

[JCSunsfan]

Fascinating. We could see a deal with Monroe AND Chandler in the next week or so.

 

[Mainstreet]

Fascinating. We could see a deal with Monroe AND Chandler in the next week or so.

And trade Alex Len December 23rd when he is eligible to be traded with consent.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So. I was just fiddling. Under the assumption that the Bucks want Chandler and Cleveland wants Monroe, what could be done in a three-way trade?

Phoenix:
Out: Chandler, Monroe
In: JParker, Teletovic, Shumpert

Milwaukee:
Out: Parker, Teletovic
In: Chandler, Frye

Cleveland:
Out: Frye, Shumpert
In: Monroe

We would have to cut someone. Looks like a lot to give for Milwaukee but they have a tough decision to make with Parker as a FA and he is a PF which is what Giannis is. They also get rebounding and outside shooting in return.

For Cleveland, if they want Monroe, they have to shed salary.

Its not perfect, but its the best I could come up with under the cap.

 

[SirStefan32]

So. I was just fiddling. Under the assumption that the Bucks want Chandler and Cleveland wants Monroe, what could be done in a three-way trade?

Phoenix:
Out: Chandler, Monroe
In: JParker, Teletovic, Shumpert

Milwaukee:
Out: Parker, Teletovic
In: Chandler, Frye

Cleveland:
Out: Frye, Shumpert
In: Monroe

We would have to cut someone. Looks like a lot to give for Milwaukee but they have a tough decision to make with Parker as a FA and he is a PF which is what Giannis is. They also get rebounding and outside shooting in return.

For Cleveland, if they want Monroe, they have to shed salary.

Its not perfect, but its the best I could come up with under the cap.

So, pay Mirza and Shump $21M next year, and have a tough decision to make with Jabari? I am intrigued by the prospect of Parker, but Mirza and Shump do nothing. Suns need a point guard and a Center if the two bigs are traded.

 

[Hoop Head]

So. I was just fiddling. Under the assumption that the Bucks want Chandler and Cleveland wants Monroe, what could be done in a three-way trade?

Phoenix:
Out: Chandler, Monroe
In: JParker, Teletovic, Shumpert

Milwaukee:
Out: Parker, Teletovic
In: Chandler, Frye

Cleveland:
Out: Frye, Shumpert
In: Monroe

We would have to cut someone. Looks like a lot to give for Milwaukee but they have a tough decision to make with Parker as a FA and he is a PF which is what Giannis is. They also get rebounding and outside shooting in return.

For Cleveland, if they want Monroe, they have to shed salary.

Its not perfect, but its the best I could come up with under the cap.

I don't know about that, the Suns would be awfully thin at Center. In a deal like that, 3 way with Milwaukee and Cleveland, I think Frye would need to come to Phoenix to give us another Center, even he's not ideal there though. I came up with this, assuming there would be some under the table handshake agreement to buy out Monroe and he sign with Cleveland.

Phoenix Gets:
Frye & Ante Zizec

Milwaukee Gets:
Chandler & Shumpert

Cleveland gets:
John Henson & Dellavedova

You could swap Henson and Mirotic in that deal. Include cash in the deal to Phoenix from Cleveland then buy out Monroe with an agreement he goes to Cleveland, which is probably the most likely destination for him anyways. Everyone gets who they want and a little bit more, Milwaukee gets another wing player in Shumpert and loses Delly, Cleveland gets another PG but one who is familiar with how things work there and who has been productive alongside Lebron, and the Suns add a fan favorite vet as well as a potential Center project to replace Len after this year.


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=y8rx2plk

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, pay Mirza and Shump $21M next year, and have a tough decision to make with Jabari? I am intrigued by the prospect of Parker, but Mirza and Shump do nothing. Suns need a point guard and a Center if the two bigs are traded.

I get it. I started with Monroe to the Cavs and Chandler to the Bucks. Then I had to figure what might come back and be interesting to the Suns. Jabari is it. The other two are just necessary for cap reasons and the primary reason I included them is because they both come off the books before the summer of 2019.

 

[Finito]

Cleveland and the Bucks ain't doing businesses together they know there gonna see eachother down the road

 

[JCSunsfan]

Cleveland and the Bucks ain't doing businesses together they know there gonna see eachother down the road

That is probably true. Had not really thought of that.

 

[Hoop Head]

Here is an article from Woj about Mike James, he says barring a trade the Suns will waive Derrick Jones Jr. I wouldn't be surprised if they resign him to a Two-Way deal. The language in his contract may not allow them to convert it to a Two-Way contract at this time, which is something that will be included in future deals. It would look bad to convert Davon Reed's deal to a Two-Way contract, since he's injured, but this front office has cared much for how moves look. I'm fine with them parting ways with DJJ though. I think that deadline hanging for James might have hurt the Suns negotiating power while trying to find a trade for Monroe or Chandler. Other teams convinced that they're in a rush when they're fine waiting.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...suns-get-regular-contract-having-two-way-deal

 

[Ronin]

ProBasketballTalk‏@nbcprobballtalk
Report: Suns converting Mike James’ two-way contract into one-year minimum deal
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/07...-two-way-contract-into-one-year-minimum-deal/

 

[Hoop Head]

We knew that was coming now how will they make the space for that? That NBC Sports article doesn't say how they're clearing the roster spot either, speculating that waiving Jones Jr is the easier way to clear the space but that's it.

 

[Ronin]

EmpireOfTheSuns
@EmpireOfTheSuns

Mike James is now on a standard contract for the rest of the year, and the Suns have waived Derrick Jones Jr. to open a roster spot

 

[Mainstreet]

EmpireOfTheSuns
@EmpireOfTheSuns

Mike James is now on a standard contract for the rest of the year, and the Suns have waived Derrick Jones Jr. to open a roster spot

This is the news I have been waiting for. You are on top of it as usual, Ronin.

 

[Chaplin]

BIG BIG mistake. Not only waiving Jones but keeping Mike James. Stupidity to the extreme by the front office.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

BIG BIG mistake. Not only waiving Jones but keeping Mike James. Stupidity to the extreme by the front office.

Mike James is exactly the type of player I want us to avoid going forward. No Mike James. No Brandon Knight.

I'm tired of point guards who make themselves the entire focus of the offense. It's bad basketball. Even when that type of point guard is otherworldly talented (aka Russell Westbrook), it's not always good for the team. I don't understand why the Suns can't see this!

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a bit more on Derrick Jones Jr.

Jones is expected to receive interest on waivers as he's in the second season of a four-year deal.

I dislike giving on on Derrick as contrasted with James.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248263/Suns-Waive-Derrick-Jones-Jr

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Mike James is seen as a nice surprise, but it's just that he shoots more than he should and dominates the ball more than he should, which tricks people into thinking he is better than he is.

I HATE his body language. He's that point guard we've all played with in pickup games who criticizes everyone else on his team while he makes dumb, selfish mistake after dumb, selfish mistake.

What if I told you we could have an undersized point guard who shoots the same FG% as Ricky Rubio but lacks all of his good traits?

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/...-game/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/point-guards

He's #28 out of 29 for qualified point guards in FG%.

 

[Ronin]

Scott Bordow confirms.
scott bordow‏Verified account@sbordow 5m5 minutes ago
Was driving this morning and just shot a video but can confirm Suns have waived Jones Jr. to make room on roster for James, who has signed one-year deal

 

[Mainstreet]

Mike James is seen as a nice surprise, but it's just that he shoots more than he should and dominates the ball more than he should, which tricks people into thinking he is better than he is.

I HATE his body language. He's that point guard we've all played with in pickup games who criticizes everyone else on his team while he makes dumb, selfish mistake after dumb, selfish mistake.

What if I told you we could have an undersized point guard who shoots the same FG% as Ricky Rubio but lacks all of his good traits?

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/...-game/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/point-guards

He's #28 out of 29 for qualified point guards in FG%.

The good side, it's only for the rest of the season.

The Phoenix Suns have signed point guard Mike James to a standard contract for the rest of the season after his two-way deal signed before the 2017-18 expired Thursday morning.

Yahoo! Sports’ Shams Charania added that the deal is for one year, meaning James will hit restricted free agency this summer.

Maybe we do not resign him to another contract.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1339867/suns-sign-mike-james-two-way-contract-derrick-jones-jr/

 

[Chaplin]

I know in the scheme of things this might not be a big deal, but this really has gone a long way -- I was trying to hold out hope on this front office, and McD in particular -- but I cannot in good conscience support this front office anymore. DJJ wasn't getting any time, but he was oozing potential as a possible future defender extraordinaire. Why would you give up on that for Mike freaking James who has NO place in the #timeline?

 

[Hoop Head]

If Jones clears waivers I think the Suns will sign him to a Two-Way contract. I don't think he showed much while with the team though. The only reason he was on the main roster last year was his entry in the Slam-Dunk Contest. They let him play for a week or so before the All-Star break and then afterwards when they went full tank mode. He couldn't shoot though so I don't blame them for giving up on him.

I don't like James but keeping him for the year isn't that bad. Installing a new PG is a little trickier than installing a new Center in a coaches system and Triano trusts James as a backup. Unfortunately we're in a position where we need James because of trades and injuries. @ColdPickleNachos nailed the comparison though of James playing like the guy who tries to tell everyone how to play in a pickup game but makes horrible mistakes or plays virtually every time he touches the ball. I'd been trying to come up with a way to describe his attitude for a while and that is spot on.