Mike Vick rules

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Russ-n-Beef

Why don't we just have Josh do what Vick does?

Because Josh is a quarterback, Vick is a running back being protected by the NFL as a quarterback, because they want him to do well.

It's not fair.

That's the POINT of this thread.

first of all, russ-n-beef sounds oddly like a really bad restaurant.

secondly, i'm pretty sure the slide rule was invented waaaay before mike vick entered the league . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

AJ-

Ah, they made the rule to protect quarterbacks, they could change it BACK to the way it was.

I dislike ALL quarterbacks, especially running backs being PROTECTED with a rule implemented to protect quarterbacks.

Hmmm...no one wants to admit how bad those numbers look, just change the subject.

i agree with you lex, p*ssy friggin' qbs . . . get 'em all dresses. josh's crying would be more tolerable if he was wearing a chiffon frock and a doilie on his head.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That was the point of my post, what's stopping Josh from doing that?

It almost seemed you were implying there are different rules for Vick than for the rest of the NFL QB's, Josh is fast, he should run more if it's open, just keep your head up so when the defenders all come up he too can throw the ball downfield to wide open WR's.

russ that would be a GREAT idea, only one problem, josh can't pass the ball to wide open WRs. not allowed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We'll settle this with a fight at the halftime meet on the 28th...

"Bonecrusher" Lex vs. Chris "The Nurse" Sanders

that's unsanctioned. asfn quarrels are to be settled in yuma with a healthy dose of ether. where the hell is 11 when you need him?!?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

wow - and I only bring up Josh here to point to Lex who calls him an average QB(which is a huge stretch) but when you look at stats - even while throwing the ball less - Vick has more yards than Josh, has a better passer rating than Josh, and hell - EVEN throws for a better completion percentage than Josh. Does that mean that Josh is just a bad running back playing QB for us - because if I'm not mistaken - at the same level of their coming up in the league - Vick (as a young inexperienced QB) still had better numbers in EVERY Category than than Josh is on pace for. Oh - and Vick has also been the leader of a team that in his last couple season starting has gone 19-8-1.

So using Lex's theory - I am just going to start saying that Josh McCown is just a REALLY bad running back playing QB for us.

i'm down with that.

[que tango's post stating, "oh, there's a big surprise, you guys use one brain?"]

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Like this?

is that tupa? six pack!

 

[This_Guy]

ASFN - All Josh McCown, All the Time.

Hopefully, not for much longer.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Hopefully, not for much longer.

thank god someone finally broke the string. i hate to see that many posts by me in a row. even if they're all hilarious.

 

[Cheesebeef]

thank god someone finally broke the string. i hate to see that many posts by me in a row. even if they're all hilarious.

you're an idiot - hey - are we gonna try and catch that Suns-Clips game on Sunday or are you gonna be boarding?

 

[Russ Smith]

first of all, russ-n-beef sounds oddly like a really bad restaurant.

secondly, i'm pretty sure the slide rule was invented waaaay before mike vick entered the league . . .

slide rule? get a calculator. or an abacus.

 

[cardsunsfan]

slide rule? get a calculator. or an abacus.

I'm willing to bet that Vick is a more acurate passer than McCown and probably can even throw it deeper.. Who's with me?

 

[jstadvl]

I'd take

that bet. However, in the absence of a "one on one" QB competition, they're actually incomparable ( considering all other variables involved in the games).

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm willing to bet that Vick is a more acurate passer than McCown and probably can even throw it deeper.. Who's with me?

I'd bet Vick can throw the ball farther if that's what you mean. Accuracy, I don't know, vick is a scatter arm, I think Josh may beat him in a stand and throw the ball through tires type contest.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Bird droppings.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

you're an idiot - hey - are we gonna try and catch that Suns-Clips game on Sunday or are you gonna be boarding?

i say suns-clips. what time? we scalp?

 

[kerouac9]

I'd bet Vick can throw the ball farther if that's what you mean. Accuracy, I don't know, vick is a scatter arm, I think Josh may beat him in a stand and throw the ball through tires type contest.

I'm totally biased on this issue, but I disagree. Vick has a very accurate arm, to go with his ridiculously strong one. The problem is that his footwork gets so screwed up running around the backfield (OL protection is still an issue in Atlanta while they re-build the line) that the ball tends to fly away from the WRs. When Vick drops back, sets his feet, and throws, he puts the ball in just the right spot. See Alge Crumpler's TD pass last Sunday. Even on the run, his WRs get the ball in catchable areas, without having to make circus-style grabs, like Quan, Fitz, and BJ have to do.

Is anyone going to mistake Vick for Jeff George anytime soon? Of course not, but he's really still learning how to be a passer. Pretty much all his balls against Denver looked good to me.

I'd also argue that his lightening-quick release makes up some for his lack of accuracy, while Josh's release is flat-out phlegmatic.

 

[Mulli]

phlegmatic.

100 points for using the word phlegmatic,

 

[kerouac9]

100 points for using the word phlegmatic,

Woo-hoo!!!

 

[SECTION 11]

I disagree that McCown has a slow release. Whether or not he actually uses it in a timely matter in another thing, but he does not have a slow release.


Again, nice use of "phlegmatic" though.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm totally biased on this issue, but I disagree. Vick has a very accurate arm, to go with his ridiculously strong one. The problem is that his footwork gets so screwed up running around the backfield (OL protection is still an issue in Atlanta while they re-build the line) that the ball tends to fly away from the WRs. When Vick drops back, sets his feet, and throws, he puts the ball in just the right spot. See Alge Crumpler's TD pass last Sunday. Even on the run, his WRs get the ball in catchable areas, without having to make circus-style grabs, like Quan, Fitz, and BJ have to do.

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That's true but debating what causes the bad throws is kind of secondary, he does or has made a lot of off target throws as a QB. the thing is he makes up for it in so many other ways wiht so many big plays, you can live with it.

That's why I think the WCO is the wrong offense for him, it's all about timing and accuracy and that's not his strength yet. IT may be someday, young was terrible in the WCO when he started out, but right now I think Vick should be in a system that lets him use his feet, and his arm strength without worrying about timing etc.

 

[SECTION 11]

I don't care what anyone says, Vick should be running the option.

 

[jw7]

I don't care what anyone says, Vick should be running the option.

Whatever happened to the option offence? My favorite college team to watch used to be Air Force. A bunch of undersized guys that would have 400 yds rushing and 5 yards passing. Does any college team still run this?

Back on topic. I don't think you change the rules because of one player. If you find a player that can exploit the rules to your advantage, more power to ya.

 

[Dback Jon]

is that tupa?

Bingo!

 

[cardsunsfan]

I hate when a new coach comes in and the player has to play to the coaches strenghs. Shouldn't coaches be good enough to see what their personal is the best at and adapt to that? As for Vick's accuracy I actually thought he looked better his first year and I thought people were raving about it. Something about having no interceptions and quite a few touchdowns in his first games. It seems that he's regressed.

 

[kerouac9]

That's true but debating what causes the bad throws is kind of secondary, he does or has made a lot of off target throws as a QB. the thing is he makes up for it in so many other ways wiht so many big plays, you can live with it.

That's why I think the WCO is the wrong offense for him, it's all about timing and accuracy and that's not his strength yet. IT may be someday, young was terrible in the WCO when he started out, but right now I think Vick should be in a system that lets him use his feet, and his arm strength without worrying about timing etc.

True enough, but show me such an offense in the NFL. The WCO is as good as any other, and has had the most success with fleet-footed QBs (Elway, Young, Cunningham [in Minny], McNabb, etc.). As it stands, the Falcs are 7-2 and are going to clinch the NFC South in the next two weeks. Hard to say that the offense is what's holding them back. Philosophically, you can say that the quick-passing offense is going to undercut Vick's talents, because the longer he's holding onto the ball, the more plays that he's going to make for you, but the WCO's quick-passing offense is also going to allow Vick to take fewer hits. The timing thing might be what the largest problem is, but it's going to take some time for him to figure our what's going on with Price, Finneran, and the Rook, and as long as they're winning games, it doesn't matter too much.

Honestly, were I McKay, I would have brought in the Packers' OC or assistant to run the offense as an Asst. HC. The rushing attack and passing attack in Green Bay might combined be the best in the business. Put Duckett, Griffin, and Dunn in there, and it might be scary.