Mike Vick rules

[Lex]

A caller on From the Bleachers had a question this morning that got me thinking.

He asked if Vick could be hit like a running back, if he calls a running play for himself during a game, instead of just scrambling.

Obviously, he plays the QB position, and has a QB number, so no, you can't hit him like a regular running back, since he could decide to "slide" and then you'd get flagged for 15 yds more. Carolina was up in arms earlier this year for penalties called during thier Atlanta game for hits on Vick.

The question is: is it fair that Vick acts like a running back, but is "called" a quarterback, so benefits from protections designed to keep quarterbacks from getting hurt?

Atlanta Falcons
Vick--536 rush yds.--74 attempts--7.2 yds/carry
Dunn-514 rush yds.--135 attempts--3.8 yds/carry
Duckett-272 rush yds--59 attempts-4.6 yds/carry
2004 totals= passing yds--1429 rushing yds. 1402

Quarterback rushing yards:
1)Vick--536
2)Culpepper-204
3)Garcia--169
4)Carr--155

Sacks--NFL
1)Warner--39
2)Vick--30
3)three tied at 25
Sacks are not counted as rushing attempts.

Passing attempts/game NFL:
39)Vick--21.1
40)Quinn-19.2
41)Garrard-19.0
42)Maddox-17.5
43)Flutie--16.0
44)Simms--13.7
45)Holcomb-9.0
46)KING--6.0
47)Pederson-5.8

On paper, Mike Vick looks like a running back, well, he looks like one on TV too.

Let's give Croom a QB #, call him a QB, and direct snap to him.

 

[SECTION 11]

ALet's give Croom a QB #, call him a QB, and direct snap to him.

I'm down with that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

A caller on From the Bleachers had a question this morning that got me thinking.

He asked if Vick could be hit like a running back, if he calls a running play for himself during a game, instead of just scrambling.

Obviously, he plays the QB position, and has a QB number, so no, you can't hit him like a regular running back, since he could decide to "slide" and then you'd get flagged for 15 yds more. Carolina was up in arms earlier this year for penalties called during thier Atlanta game for hits on Vick.

The question is: is it fair that Vick acts like a running back, but is "called" a quarterback, so benefits from protections designed to keep quarterbacks from getting hurt?

Atlanta Falcons
Vick--536 rush yds.--74 attempts--7.2 yds/carry
Dunn-514 rush yds.--135 attempts--3.8 yds/carry
Duckett-272 rush yds--59 attempts-4.6 yds/carry
2004 totals= passing yds--1429 rushing yds. 1402

Quarterback rushing yards:
1)Vick--536
2)Culpepper-204
3)Garcia--169
4)Carr--155

Sacks--NFL
1)Warner--39
2)Vick--30
3)three tied at 25
Sacks are not counted as rushing attempts.

Passing attempts/game NFL:
39)Vick--21.1
40)Quinn-19.2
41)Garrard-19.0
42)Maddox-17.5
43)Flutie--16.0
44)Simms--13.7
45)Holcomb-9.0
46)KING--6.0
47)Pederson-5.8

On paper, Mike Vick looks like a running back, well, he looks like one on TV too.

Let's give Croom a QB #, call him a QB, and direct snap to him.

You know what's really sad about all the above - at 21.1 pass attempts a game - Vick STILL HAS AS MUCH YARDAGE AS JOSH MCCOWN - so tell me this Lex - what does that make Josh?

 

[EndZone]

what does that make Josh?

Terrible....but we already knew that.

 

[Lex]

Beef-

I think it makes Josh a very average young quarterback.

Now imagine how much better his yardage would be if every team we played had to spend defenders on HIM, since he could actually be running the ball, when it LOOKS like a pass play?

It's a lot easier to complete a bomb to ONE GUY on a route, when the other 10 guys are chasing YOU around, hoping to CONTAIN you, and not get 15 yards for roughing the QB.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Wow, didn't take long for this thread to turn into a Josh thread.

 

[Russ Smith]

Beef-

I think it makes Josh a very average young quarterback.

Now imagine how much better his yardage would be if every team we played had to spend defenders on HIM, since he could actually be running the ball, when it LOOKS like a pass play?

It's a lot easier to complete a bomb to ONE GUY on a route, when the other 10 guys are chasing YOU around, hoping to CONTAIN you, and not get 15 yards for roughing the QB.

Why can't he? We keep hearing how fast he is and how high his vertical jump is but all I see is a guy averaging 2.9 yards per rush which is just about what he averaged at SMU.

He's fast, but he's not a very good runner at this stage of his career as a QB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wow, didn't take long for this thread to turn into a Josh thread.

does it ever?

 

[Lex]

Russ-n-Beef

Why don't we just have Josh do what Vick does?

Because Josh is a quarterback, Vick is a running back being protected by the NFL as a quarterback, because they want him to do well.

It's not fair.

That's the POINT of this thread.

 

[ajcardfan]

Wow, didn't take long for this thread to turn into a Josh thread.

Yeah, well, Vick is clearly way better than Jake Plummer.

 

[ajcardfan]

Because Josh is a quarterback, Vick is a running back being protected by the NFL as a quarterback, because they want him to do well.

It's not fair.

That's the POINT of this thread.

The rule was in place before Vick was ever a QB in the NFL. It was to protect guys like Elway, Cunningham and Favre. Why? Because fans would rather watch really exciting players like that instead of some stiff of a backup. I think it's a GREAT rule. Changing it because Lex has a dislike of Mike Vick would be dumb.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

...SMU.

Did you mean Sam Houston State?

 

[Lex]

AJ-

Ah, they made the rule to protect quarterbacks, they could change it BACK to the way it was.

I dislike ALL quarterbacks, especially running backs being PROTECTED with a rule implemented to protect quarterbacks.

Hmmm...no one wants to admit how bad those numbers look, just change the subject.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

So let me get this straight...

You want to change the rules of the NFL because 1 player has the ability to make use out of the rules.

You are a moron. I don't know a kinder way to put it.

 

[Dback Jon]

Wow, didn't take long for this thread to turn into a Josh thread.

Doesn't every thread?

 

[Mulli]

So let me get this straight...

You want to change the rules of the NFL because 1 player has the ability to make use out of the rules.

You are a moron. I don't know a kinder way to put it.

Namecaller!! Where are the moderators when you need them?

 

[clif]

So let me get this straight...

You want to change the rules of the NFL because 1 player has the ability to make use out of the rules.

You are a moron. I don't know a kinder way to put it.

 

[azdad1978]

Wow, didn't take long for this thread to turn into a Josh thread.

Why of course BIM

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ-n-Beef

Why don't we just have Josh do what Vick does?

Because Josh is a quarterback, Vick is a running back being protected by the NFL as a quarterback, because they want him to do well.

It's not fair.

That's the POINT of this thread.

That was the point of my post, what's stopping Josh from doing that?

It almost seemed you were implying there are different rules for Vick than for the rest of the NFL QB's, Josh is fast, he should run more if it's open, just keep your head up so when the defenders all come up he too can throw the ball downfield to wide open WR's.

 

[azdad1978]

So let me get this straight...

You want to change the rules of the NFL because 1 player has the ability to make use out of the rules.

You are a moron. I don't know a kinder way to put it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

AJ-

Ah, they made the rule to protect quarterbacks, they could change it BACK to the way it was.

I dislike ALL quarterbacks, especially running backs being PROTECTED with a rule implemented to protect quarterbacks.

Hmmm...no one wants to admit how bad those numbers look, just change the subject.

Because the numbers speak of a QB who can scramble...uhhh...yeah we all know he can do that.

Vick isn't a RB. He is a QB...get over it and move on. You look like some wierdo who has Mike Vick voodoo dolls in his room.

If you don't like him...don't watch him. Pretty easy.

 

[Russ Smith]

Did you mean Sam Houston State?

nope, Josh played 3 years at SMU and averaged just about the same there he is this year running the ball.

 

[clif]

Because the numbers speak of a QB who can scramble...uhhh...yeah we all know he can do that.

Vick isn't a RB. He is a QB...get over it and move on. You look like some wierdo who has Mike Vick voodoo dolls in his room.

If you don't like him...don't watch him. Pretty easy.

thanks for the sig chris

 

[Chris_Sanders]

thanks for the sig chris

My tolerance level for silliness is pretty low today.

You are advocating changing the rules of the entire NFL based solely on one player...a player you can't objectively judge because you have this wierd "man hate on" for. Vick might not even be in the league in 5 years due to injury or poor performance.

Lex, have you ever seen that comedian who says "Here is your sign?"

Here is yours. The reason we don't put Larry Croom in at QB is because he can't throw the ball. If he could throw the ball and run like a RB...we would be playing him. He can't. If we did that, he would get murdered in the backfield everytime.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Namecaller!! Where are the moderators when you need them?

I will consider myself warned

Chris, don't do that again.