azdad1978
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If Manning is there at the #3 spot expect somebody to offer us to move down, and seeing how deep it is for skill position we might actually do it.
Mike Williams worth trading up?
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If Manning is there at the #3 spot expect somebody to offer us to move down, and seeing how deep it is for skill position we might actually do it.
LVCARDFREAK
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He would have to be a complete impact player, like Vick, in order to move up for that steep a price.
I wouldnt do it just based on a theory that your sitting at 3, why give up that much of your future just for a WR?
If WR's were that much of an impact alone, the Vikings and Niners would have gone to the SuperBowl every year.
azdad1978
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If he runs like a 4.3 speed like Moss does then I'll say he is better than Moss.
LVCARDFREAK
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But isnt this the same guy that when compared to Keyshawn everyne said he is better but he drops way too many balls? I heard he dropped like 15 balls his freshman year or something. It was on some NFL pre game show.
Again I am going by memory here and I havent seen much of Williams!
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Mike is amazing but let's not get carried away. Moss is still one of the 10 fastest players in the NFL, Williams is not nearly as fast as Moss although he has game speed ala Rice. They're about the same height, both great in the air. MW is stronger, has better hands, and is not a pain in the rear like Moss.
I wouldn't be stunned if he becomes a better overall WR than Moss but he's not going to be a quantum leap better because he's simply not as fast.
Mike is a physical freak but Moss can literally outrun most CB's in the NFL, MW can't do that.
kerouac9
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I was his TD catch against Oregon State? He got both feet down inside the back of the end zone, and was gripping the ball with only the tips of his fingers on one hand.
He's just plain ill. It makes me physically nauseous sitting here thinking about how good he is.
azdad1978
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I was just gonna say that. Nice post Russ!!!
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If you watch Williams play he dominates the corners he goes up against, he runs great routes, and he has great hands. Barring injury he will be a probowl receiver for years to come. Bring Williams in and pair him with Quan and Johnson and the Cards will have the best Young receivers in the NFL hands down...
If you watch Williams play he dominates the corners he goes up against, he runs great routes, and he has great hands. Barring injury he will be a probowl receiver for years to come. Bring Williams in and pair him with Quan and Johnson and the Cards will have the best Young receivers in the NFL hands down...
Rivercard
Too much good stuff
Man, really wish we had the #1 pick now.
lrk27
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Easy on the Mike Williams hype. Give it a week or two and everyone will be back to talking about Fitzgerald. Williams is a nice receiver, but is not as advanced as Fitz is right now. Fitzgerald is a top 3 pick, Williams is still a top ten, maybe a top five. After all the workouts, Fitzgerald will still come out as the top WR in the draft.
azdad1978
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I'll be happy who we pick but lets not mortgage the future for one player.
Rivercard
Too much good stuff
I sure hope SD & OAK agree with you but I think you're in the minority with that opinion.
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I posted this earlier on another thread, and no I'm not a USC fan. Simply a fan of this athlete.
His Rose Bowl bio from the media guide:
(1) MIKE WILLIAMS
Wide Receiver, 6-5, 230, So./So.
CAREER: He already is tied for fourth on USC’s career receptions list (16 and has 12 100-yard receiving games in his young career. His 168 career catches is tied for 14th on the Pac-10 list and his 2,491 career receiving yards is 19th on the Pac-10 chart. He has 30 touchdown catches in his 25-game career, having eclipsed the USC career TD reception record 3 games before the end of his sophomore season (the Pac-10 career TD reception mark is 32 by Stanford’s Ken Margerum in 1977-80). His 30 career TDs are the most of any Trojan sophomore ever at any position. He has had multiple TD games 9 times, including 3 times getting a USC game record-tying 3 TDs. He is averaging a touchdown every 5.8 times he touches the ball (30 TDs on 175 touches, including his 5 rushes and 2 pass attempts).
He is the only Trojan with 2 seasons of 80-plus catches. He is just the second Trojan (joining Keyshawn Johnson) to have a pair of 1,000- yard receiving seasons.
2003: Just a sophomore in 2003, Williams—who possesses Keyshawn-like skills—was one of the nation’s most dynamic and dangerous wide receivers. Overall in 2003 while starting all 12 games, he had 87 catches for 1,226 yards (14.1 avg.) and 16 TDs, plus he gained 26 yards on 3 rushes (8.7 avg.) off of backwards passes, completed a 23-yard pass on his only attempt, blocked a field goal and made a tackle. He was tied for sixth nationally in receptions (7.3, second in the Pac-10) and was eighth in receiving yards (102.2, third in Pac-10). His 16 TD catches in 2003 is a USC season record, were the most in the Pac 10 in 2003 and were the most by a Trojan in a season since Marcus Allen scored 23 in 1981. His 87 catches in 2003 were third on the USC season ladder (tied for seventh on the Pac-10 list) and his 1,226 receiving yards in 2003 were fifth on the USC season chart (15th on the Pac-10 ladder). He had 7 100-yard receiving games in 2003.
A finalist for the 2003 Biletnikoff Award, he was eighth in the Heisman Trophy voting. He was a 2003 consensus All-American as he was named to the 2003 AP, Football Writers, Walter Camp, ESPN.com, SI.com, Collegefootballnews.com and Rivals.com All- American first teams (the first All-American first team Trojan wide receiver since Keyshawn Johnson in 1995 and the first USC sophomore honoree since Tony Boselli in 1992), The Sporting News All-American second team and the 2003 All-Pac-10 first team. He also made the ESPN.com All-Pac-10 and Collegefootballnews.com All-Pac-10 first teams. He won USC’s Player of the Game versus UCLA award. He was named to the prestigious 2003 Playboy Pre Season All-American team.
At Auburn, he had a game-best 8 catches for 104 yards with a 5 yard TD. He grabbed a game-high 10 passes for 124 yards, including a pair of touchdowns (a 1-yarder to open USC’s scoring and then an 18-yarder in the fourth quarter to put the game out of reach) against BYU. He had 3 grabs for 70 yards (with a 33 yard TD) against Hawaii, then 6 catches for 96 yards at California (plus he was credited with a 17-yard run while catching a backwards pass). He had 5 catches for 108 yards at Arizona State. He tied a USC game record with 3 TD catches (40, 18 and 3 yards, all in the second quarter) while collecting 7 receptions for 129 yards against Stanford. He added 9 catches for 112 yards at Notre Dame (with a 7-yard TD). He led USC with 6 catches for 43 yards at Washington. He added 4 grabs for 43 yards (including a 13-yard TD) against Washington State, plus he completed a scrambling 23-yard pass and had 2 runs for 9 yards (on
backwards passes). At Arizona, he had 11 catches for 157 yards and 3 TDs (15, 22 and 26 yards)—all game bests—while setting the USC career record for touchdown receptions. He had 11 catches for 181 yards with 2 TDs (21 and 4 yards)—all in the first half—against UCLA. Against Oregon State, he had 7 catches for 59 yards and 2 TDs (a 14-yarder and then a spectacular one-handed, Frisbee-like 9-yard catch) and he also blocked a
field goal
2002: It’s an understatement to say that Williams made a huge impact as a freshman wide receiver in 2002, his first year at USC. He was perhaps the top freshman receiver in the country. Overall in 2002 while appearing in all 13 games (he started against Washington and Oregon), he caught a team-high 81 passes for 1,265 yards (15.6 avg.) with 14 TDs, plus he was 1-of-1 passing for 19 yards, ran for 9 yards on 2 carries (4.5 avg.) and had a tackle, forced fumble and fumble recovery. He was named to the 2002 The Sporting News Freshman All-American first team, Scripps/Football Writers Freshman All-American first team, Rivals.com Freshman All-American first team and was the Pac-10 Freshman of the Year. He was 16th nationally in receiving yards (97.3, fifth in Pac-10) and 20th in receptions (6.2, third in Pac-10).
His 14 TD catches was second most in the nation. His 81 catches in 2002 are third on the USC season list. He had 5 100-yard receiving games in 2002 (including a stretch of 4 in a row—the most at USC since Keyshawn Johnson had 12 in a row in 1994 and 1995). He caught a TD pass in 7 consecutive games. His 14 TD receptions tied the USC season record first set by Johnnie Morton in 1994. His 3 TD receptions against Washington in 2002 tied a USC game record and his 13 catches at Oregon was a USC freshman mark. He owns the NCAA, Pac-10 and USC freshman season records for receiving yards (1,265) and TD catches (14, sharing the NCAA mark with Florida’s Jabar Gaffney in 2000) and the Pac-10 and USC frosh mark for catches (81). He made the 2002 CNNSI.com All-American honorable mention, plus All- Pac-10 second team and The Sporting News Freshman All-Pac-10 first team, as well as The Sporting News All-Pac-10 Freshman Offensive Player of the Year.
Against Auburn, Williams made his Trojan debut by catching 4 passes for 56 yards off the bench. He had a game-high 7 grabs for 90 yards at Colorado. He had an 11-yard catch at Kansas State, then caught 4 passes for 62 yards, including a pair of TDs (11 and 16 yards), against Oregon State. He caught 6 passes for 112 yards at Washington State, including a 55-yard TD bomb in which he outjumped the defender, then had 6 receptions for 103 yards with a 21-yard TD against California. Against Washington, he not only tied a USC game record with his 3 TD grabs, but his 9 catches in the game equaled Kareem Kelly’s USC freshman mark and his 159 receiving yards—a then-career high—was his third consecutive 100- yard performance (the most by a Trojan since Keyshawn Johnson had 12 in a row in 1994 and 1995. At Oregon, he had another huge game with 13 receptions (a USC freshman record) for 226 yards (both career bests) and 2 TDs (35 and 16 yards)—his fourth consecutive 100-yard game and fifth game in a row with a TD grab. He caught 8 passes for 94 yards (with an 8- yard TD) at Stanford while setting the Pac-10 freshman season record for receptions.
He added an 18-yard TD grab (he also completed a 19-yard pass to Colbert) against Arizona State. At UCLA, he had a game-high 6 catches for 66 yards. He had 10 catches for 169 yards (both game highs) with 2 TDs (6 and 19 yards) against Notre Dame. Against Iowa in the Orange Bowl, he had 6 catches for a game high 99 yards (with an 18-yard TD grab) to set the NCAA freshman season marks for receptions, receiving yards and TD catches.
HIGH SCHOOL: His 2001 honors included Tom Lemming All American, Super Prep All-Dixie, Prep Star All-Southeast Region, St. Petersburg Times All-Suncoast second team and Tampa Tribune All- Hillsborough County first team as a senior wide receiver at Plant High in Tampa (Fla.). He had 38 receptions for 789 yards (20.8 avg.) with 12 TDs in 2001.
As a junior in 2000, he made the All-State Class 4A second team while catching 35 passes for 803 yards (22.9 avg.) with 12 scores. He had 28 catches for 631 yards (22.5 avg.) as a 1999 sophomore. He also played basketball at Plant, averaging 16.9 points, 8.3 rebounds and 4.6 assists in 2002 and, as a junior in 2001, earning Tampa Tribune All-Hillsborough County first team laurels as he averaged 14.7 points, 10.7 rebounds and 5.3 assists while helping his team to the state semifinals.
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He made Carson Palmer the first pick this last year, and Matt Leinart a future first rounder. If he really comes out you watch how much less impressive Leinart is next year at USC without him and to a lesser extent Colbert.
Man this is big news if he comes out. I think San Diego will take him but if there's some team desperate to get Manning moves up but I just don't see any way 2 teams pass on Mike Williams.
He made Carson Palmer the first pick this last year, and Matt Leinart a future first rounder. If he really comes out you watch how much less impressive Leinart is next year at USC without him and to a lesser extent Colbert.
Man this is big news if he comes out. I think San Diego will take him but if there's some team desperate to get Manning moves up but I just don't see any way 2 teams pass on Mike Williams.
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
That's just plain not true. There's nothing to base that on.
Mike Williams is a better reciever than Larry Fitzgerald, and also comes out to shine against the best competition.
lrk27
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When comparing Williams, Moss and Fitzgerald, remember, Williams had Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart throwing him the ball; Moss had Chad Pennington at QB; Fitzgerald had Rod Rutherford as his QB. Williams also had a pretty good surrounding cast at USC. Don't get me wrong, he is a great receiver. But what would've happened if Williams was at Pitt and Fitz at USC? Then I think Fitzgerald is the clear number one this year.
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I'd also venture to say that Carson Palmer won't be as good as many perceived.
Matt Leinart made Carson Palmer a forgotten man, and somehow nobody realized that that receiving corps, mostly lead by MW, had a large hand in both of those QBs production levels.
I personally feel that MW is more NFL ready than Fitz, especially factoring in that Carroll doesn't run standard college plays and still has a lot of the NFL system in him.
I'd also venture to say that Carson Palmer won't be as good as many perceived.
Matt Leinart made Carson Palmer a forgotten man, and somehow nobody realized that that receiving corps, mostly lead by MW, had a large hand in both of those QBs production levels.
I personally feel that MW is more NFL ready than Fitz, especially factoring in that Carroll doesn't run standard college plays and still has a lot of the NFL system in him.
LVCARDFREAK
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I didnt see it. I will have to watch some stuff on him if he is as good as most are saying.
Of course that would mean watching Pac-10 football. uggghhh
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I disagree....Leinart wasn't thought to be anything special, and simply a finger in the dike for a season. MW *made* him more than the other way around.
Plus, Fitz got a lot of short balls for TDs, and was shut down significantly in some big games. Even against HI-PROFILE defenders, nobody shut MW down.
LVCARDFREAK
In the league 20 years!
My god would you people stop with that already.
Fitzgerald does come out against the best competition.
Big Game numbers (against ranked teams )
4 games 20 rec 400+ yards 4 td's
You are repeating something that isnt true K9.
LVCARDFREAK
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Dont knock Rutherford...he had a solid year and has a very strong arm. Good player.
lrk27
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Fitzgerald had three games all year where he was held under 100 yards and only the Miami game could be considered close to shut down. Fitz had TEN 100+ yard receiving games and a TD in every regular season game.
Mike Williams was "shut down" as you would consider it by many more teams than Fitz. Oh and by the way, Williams wasn't even the only 1000 yard receiver on his team. He is a great WR, but a huge product of the system. They are the best college football team in the country because you can't double team MW and you can't just try to stop the run or the pass, they are too good. MW got man coverage all year. Larry Fitzgerald saw entire defenses geared to stopping him. You must look at all of the circumstances.
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azdad1978
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True but Fitz didn't see good competition like Williams did last year.
afcardfan
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i think we need him, i think he is the perfect person to match with the "Q" lets get him denny
