Miller once again does it again!

[Chaplin]

ESPN: "Miller has reeled in a top-seven recruiting class in six consecutive seasons."

 

[TJ]

Shaking my GD head if Trier did something stupid to get suspended.

He did do something stupid, but the team is trying to weigh all options before issuing a punishment.

Right now, it doesn't look good.

 

[TJ]

Is it going to be on pac 12 or streamed, would like to see the young guys I'm a big Alkins fan and would like to see Markkanen actually play beyond just highlights

Usually streamed online. Not sure where.

 

[Russ Smith]

Usually streamed online. Not sure where.

I'm hoping it's eventually on Pac 12 network. I still have this nutty situation with my Comcast where I can't view online because they have to send me a new password by US mail and by the time it arrived, it had expired. So if it's streamed on pac 12 again I won't be able to watch unless I get my new password before Friday evening.

 

[GatorAZ]

He did do something stupid, but the team is trying to weigh all options before issuing a punishment.

Right now, it doesn't look good.

I've heard everything from a fight to PED use. I guess we can't have nice things.

Losing T-Ferg could really hurt now. Gonna need Lauri to go full-on Dirk Nowitzki this year.

 

[TJ]

I've heard everything from a fight to PED use. I guess we can't have nice things.

Losing T-Ferg could really hurt now. Gonna need Lauri to go full-on Dirk Nowitzki this year.

It's legal PEDs.

There's so much confounding information now that it's hard to speculate one way or another. I've heard that this is a misunderstanding and will eventually blow over. I've also read that he'll get the same treatment the Florida QB got last year and receive a 1-year ban.

I will say it sounds like the team has his back. Trier was at all of the photo shoots yesterday for the new uniforms and has had the gold jersey all week at practice.

His presence (or lack thereof) at the R&B game will be telling.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's legal PEDs.

There's so much confounding information now that it's hard to speculate one way or another. I've heard that this is a misunderstanding and will eventually blow over. I've also read that he'll get the same treatment the Florida QB got last year and receive a 1-year ban.

I will say it sounds like the team has his back. Trier was at all of the photo shoots yesterday for the new uniforms and has had the gold jersey all week at practice.

His presence (or lack thereof) at the R&B game will be telling.

Reading about the Will Grier case he got 1 calendar year from the date of the positive test, Florida appealed because it was midseason so they wanted him to just miss the rest of that year and be eligible right away this year, but he lost the appeal and eventually transferred to West Virginia where he's sitting out the season.

So if this is the real story on Trier from what I read on Grier about the only way the NCAA would reduce that one year is if he could somehow prove the test results were incorrect, the NCAA has a real hard 1 year rule they don't seem to want to reduce suspensions for mitigating circumstances, the rule is like the NFL, you are responsbile for what you put in your body even if you don't know it's banned.

 

[TJ]

Reading about the Will Grier case he got 1 calendar year from the date of the positive test, Florida appealed because it was midseason so they wanted him to just miss the rest of that year and be eligible right away this year, but he lost the appeal and eventually transferred to West Virginia where he's sitting out the season.

So if this is the real story on Trier from what I read on Grier about the only way the NCAA would reduce that one year is if he could somehow prove the test results were incorrect, the NCAA has a real hard 1 year rule they don't seem to want to reduce suspensions for mitigating circumstances, the rule is like the NFL, you are responsbile for what you put in your body even if you don't know it's banned.

That's where it gets interesting: was this an NCAA test or a university tests? University tests have far less penalties than those administered by the NCAA, which is why Josiah Turner was able to play despite having failed three drug tests (eventually was just kicked off the team by Miller).

It really is a "wait and see" right now. I heard to expect a ruling in 1-2 weeks, if it ever comes at all.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's where it gets interesting: was this an NCAA test or a university tests? University tests have far less penalties than those administered by the NCAA, which is why Josiah Turner was able to play despite having failed three drug tests (eventually was just kicked off the team by Miller).

It really is a "wait and see" right now. I heard to expect a ruling in 1-2 weeks, if it ever comes at all.

If that's the case it fully depends on the schools policy if they have one. That's why Syracuse got in trouble, they had their own policy but werent' following it, guys weren't be suspended or referred to counselors after positive tests. When the NCAA investigated them for other stuff they found out about that and nailed them, they were quite clear. You don't have to have a policy, but if you do, you better follow it. No idea if UA has one, to be honest I don't know what UCLA's policy is. I assume it's similar to Syracuse though, first offense notify parents, 2nd offense suspend and refer to counseling until player tests clean. 3 tests and you're off the team at the end of the semester. That's the standard policy that comes up around the country and that was the one Syracuse was ignoring.

My guess is Arizona has the same one. If you follow Turner first positive test no official suspension but missed game. 2nd time suspended a game announced as suspension. 3rd time suspended before the Pac 12 tourney and never played for UA again. So my guess is UA has the same policy Syracuse did. But it also depends, some schools differentiate between drugs like pot, and PED's.

 

[overseascardfan]

So if Trier gets suspended for the year then he's played his last game at UA. He won't come back, would he?

 

[TJ]

So if Trier gets suspended for the year then he's played his last game at UA. He won't come back, would he?

My guess is he signs overseas and enters the NBA draft in 2017. He's already 20 (or about to be) so I doubt he wants to wait any longer to fulfill his dream. Plus, he's busted his tail getting ready for the season.

 

[TJ]

If that's the case it fully depends on the schools policy if they have one. That's why Syracuse got in trouble, they had their own policy but werent' following it, guys weren't be suspended or referred to counselors after positive tests. When the NCAA investigated them for other stuff they found out about that and nailed them, they were quite clear. You don't have to have a policy, but if you do, you better follow it. No idea if UA has one, to be honest I don't know what UCLA's policy is. I assume it's similar to Syracuse though, first offense notify parents, 2nd offense suspend and refer to counseling until player tests clean. 3 tests and you're off the team at the end of the semester. That's the standard policy that comes up around the country and that was the one Syracuse was ignoring.

My guess is Arizona has the same one. If you follow Turner first positive test no official suspension but missed game. 2nd time suspended a game announced as suspension. 3rd time suspended before the Pac 12 tourney and never played for UA again. So my guess is UA has the same policy Syracuse did. But it also depends, some schools differentiate between drugs like pot, and PED's.

From another MB, but I guess this is UofA's policy:

• First failed test: Athletes must meet with their coach and a member of the athletic department to discuss drug use. All athletes who test positive must attend a counseling class and face further testing for a year.

• Second failed test: Athletes are suspended for 10 percent of their team's total number of games.

• Third failed test: Athletes are removed from the team and their scholarship benefits are canceled for one year. They may appeal.

 

[Russ Smith]

FYI Red Blue game is supposed to be on Pac 12 live tonight. I'm assuming that means Pac 12 arizona but since I got my comcast squared away last night I should be able to watch.

So I get to see Markkanen and Alkins and I guess we get to find out if Trier is playing or not.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'm one of the few with Cox so I'm covered. Ready to see how offensively dominant a Markkanen/Ristic frontcourt will be and if PJC/Comanche show any improvement.

Kobi Simmons dropped in the rankings last year so Im eager to him. Does he have the skills to replace some of Trier's scoring ability or is he more of a raw athlete. I kinda know what to expect from Rawle... he's a manchild.

Lastly Ray Smith. How explosive will he look?

Hey UCLA just jumped us in the ranking with Cody Riley. Need to answer back with Lee or Walker this weekend.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm one of the few with Cox so I'm covered. Ready to see how offensively dominant a Markkanen/Ristic frontcourt will be and if PJC/Comanche show any improvement.

Kobi Simmons dropped in the rankings last year so Im eager to him. Does he have the skills to replace some of Trier's scoring ability or is he more of a raw athlete. I kinda know what to expect from Rawle... he's a manchild.

Lastly Ray Smith. How explosive will he look?

Hey UCLA just jumped us in the ranking with Cody Riley. Need to answer back with Lee or Walker this weekend.

Riley's a good get because he won't be a 1 or 2 and done, solid college player but undersized for the NBA. I actually prefer him to Lee, Lee's a better athlete but those 2 shoulder injuries were pretty serious he really hasn't improved much the last couple of years because he's been hurt so much. Don't know a thing about Walker.

Hopefully if you guys get one of them UCLA can counter with Wilkes and keep it going.

I love Alkins but he's another guy sort of like Riley that won't be a 1 or 2 and gone kind of kid because he's gotta transition. He's more of a 3 than a 2, but he's not tall enough to play the 3 in the NBA. So he's got to refine his ball skills, improve his handle, improve his shot(especially catch and shoot) and refine that. he's an absolute beast, very physical kid. He's also a hell of an engaging kid, wants to be an actor, great smile, you can't help but root for him.

 

[GatorAZ]

Jackson-Cartwright and Kadeem Allen looked a lot more comfortable, especially PJC

Trier honestly looked like he's on PED's... Stud

Nobody could hang with Dusan defensively. He's got too many moves and he's in better shape

Markannen could've taken over if he wanted to. He looked really good from inside and out

Smith was understandably rusty

I undersold Alkins' athleticism and explosiveness. Not just from the dunk contest but powering to the rim and finishing with his left while controlling his body. He's like the offensive version of RHJ. He will be great from day 1 and a fan favorite

Didn't see much from Simmons and Comanche

 

[Russ Smith]

Jackson-Cartwright and Kadeem Allen looked a lot more comfortable, especially PJC

Trier honestly looked like he's on PED's... Stud

Nobody could hang with Dusan defensively. He's got too many moves and he's in better shape

Markannen could've taken over if he wanted to. He looked really good from inside and out

Smith was understandably rusty

I undersold Alkins' athleticism and explosiveness. Not just from the dunk contest but powering to the rim and finishing with his left while controlling his body. He's like the offensive version of RHJ. He will be great from day 1 and a fan favorite

Didn't see much from Simmons and Comanche

I watched much of the 2nd half and taped it so will watch later. Lauri has a very smooth shot on FT's, didn't shoot much in the 2nd half. Alkins was very good but again most of his game is going to the rim he's going to have to make enough jumpers to keep people honest, he CAN shoot but he's inconsistent at it right now, slow release, looks great though he leaned out was overweight in HS. Simmons about what I expected better athlete than player right now, more of a 2, much further along than Simon was but not a PG.

Trier played obviously, don't know if it's the haircut but he looks like he's taller. Also leaned out, if he really did test positive for PED's a skeptic would suggest that's what he was using them to do, lean out.

Comanche's body is going in an "odd direction" IMO. Hard to say for sure but he is starting to look like one of those guys who spends 2 hours a day in the gym doing upper body and nothing else? Arms getting bigger, chest getting thicker but still skinny legs. Definitely looked stronger.

And yeah Smith looked rusty but you would expect that. They said at the end he has a 40 inch vertical again. I hope they still take it slowly with him, last year at this time one of the guys on BRO actually predicted he'd reinjure himself after watching the Red Blue game. he's a trainer and he said it's extremely common now that athletes who come back from an ACL overtrain the injured knee and forget about the other leg and end up injuring the other one. It's exactly what wound up happening. But I think he had longer to rehab this time.

 

[Lefty]

Ira Lee will be announcing this week and all signs point to the UofA.

 

[Russ Smith]

I guess we'll see how good "sources" are. I'm hearing that Trier has been pulled by Arizona from Pac 12 media day and will be replaced by Kadeem Allen.

 

[overseascardfan]

Its official Ira Lee to UA. I wonder if PJ Washington cancels his trip to Tucson this weekend now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Its official Ira Lee to UA. I wonder if PJ Washington cancels his trip to Tucson this weekend now.

Washington cancelled already. From what I read it's more because of McCoy than Lee, I don't think PJ Washington has any concerns Lee is going to take PT from him.

But if McCoy comes too and Ayton qualifies, PJ is going to fight for minutes.

I was going to post a link but there's a bunch of them so I'll just do a summation.

Washington cut Arizona from his list and added back UNLV so he's down to UK, UNLV and UNC. His dad is the coach at Findlay Prep so there's some speculation he'll "feed" him to UNLV but I think UK is still the favorite.

Lonnie Walker cut UK from his list, he's down to Arizona and Nova with Syracuse the real longshot.

 

[overseascardfan]

Washington cancelled already. From what I read it's more because of McCoy than Lee, I don't think PJ Washington has any concerns Lee is going to take PT from him.

But if McCoy comes too and Ayton qualifies, PJ is going to fight for minutes.

I was going to post a link but there's a bunch of them so I'll just do a summation.

Washington cut Arizona from his list and added back UNLV so he's down to UK, UNLV and UNC. His dad is the coach at Findlay Prep so there's some speculation he'll "feed" him to UNLV but I think UK is still the favorite.

Lonnie Walker cut UK from his list, he's down to Arizona and Nova with Syracuse the real longshot.

Any time table on McCoy's decision? I've read Vanderbilt is still hearing from UA but McCoy & Walker are the only 2 remaining targets on UA's radar from what I read. I assume Duval will end up somewhere other than UA?

 

[GatorAZ]

I can't believe some though AZ might not take Lee at one point. He's being compared to Craig Victor except I don't remember Victor dunking all over the place.

The battle with Nova for Walker will be interesting. Coming off a national championship and they'll have a lot of young talent replacing the vets by then. Just one of McCoy or Walker will cement a top-3 class nationally by the time everyone is committed. Duke and UK would probably pass it eventually.

 

[Russ Smith]

I can't believe some though AZ might not take Lee at one point. He's being compared to Craig Victor except I don't remember Victor dunking all over the place.

The battle with Nova for Walker will be interesting. Coming off a national championship and they'll have a lot of young talent replacing the vets by then. Just one of McCoy or Walker will cement a top-3 class nationally by the time everyone is committed. Duke and UK would probably pass it eventually.

The thing with Lee is the shoulder injuries. He's had 2 major injuries now, first he hurt the shoulder lifting weights and IIRC eventually had to have surgery. Then he hurt it again and if you read the article Pascoe wrote, it quotes Lee saying it's quite possible he'll sit out his senior year of HS to rehab the shoulder. Lee plays very hard, great motor, kind of kid you like to see but I'll predict now that the reason Craig Victor is a good comparison is he will probably wind up transferring out of Arizona in the future when he doesn't get enough PT.

he's very talented, if he can stay healthy he could be good but he's just not played that much in the last 2 years because of the shoulder and it's not healed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I guess we'll see how good "sources" are. I'm hearing that Trier has been pulled by Arizona from Pac 12 media day and will be replaced by Kadeem Allen.

Doesn't look good for Trier