Miller once again does it again!

[Russ Smith]

Forgot to add, it seems the most damning thing in these stories, Pete Thamel has one too, is the failure to name the authorizing authority in the wiretap form for Munish Sood. Thamel cited some obscure case where the FBI put asterisks instead of a name there and a Judge ruled it wasn't properly obtained because it didn't name the guy. In Sood's case it's apparently left blank it says acting so and so but didn't have the name put in .

So if you're the FBI worst case scenario they might throw out some or all of what they got from wiretapping Sood. That still doesn't mean the NCAA can't use if if they have it, the NCAA isn't pursuing legal charges. And it also clearly doesn't mean what the FBi is claiming happened, didn't happen, if that were the case why did USC fire Bland, why did Arizona fire Book, why did Louisville fired Pitino, why did Auburn fire Person etc? They didn't do that just to appease the NCAA, the NCAA hasn't even acted yet. They did that because presumably they have seen enough evidence that they all believe the coach they fired did what the FBI says they did.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Because the idea that players get paid is not new and we all knew that, but the idea that players were getting paid by coaches, that's out of the norm. That's what made this case different that it involved assistant coaches, and in the Louisville situation their head coach.

Yeah because nobody saw Blue Chips 25 years ago.

This always has been a big case of nothing, like I said worst case is UA gets a one year postseason ban. Kids who in any other place in the world would be getting paid for the skills get some side money to go to college. Great. Exactly nobody cares (other than part-time unpaid NCAA compliance officer Russ Smith) and the majority of people actually probably support it. The NCAA and the thousands of other people who make literally billions of dollars via the charade were never going to let this case or the countless other "scandals" that uncover the hypocrisy that is college sports kill the golden goose. Just move on already.

 

[ozzfloyd]

Russ can't move on. He just HAD to come educate us simpletons over at beardownwildcats.com. Poor wittle Cat fans must be clueless right Russ?

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah because nobody saw Blue Chips 25 years ago.

This always has been a big case of nothing, like I said worst case is UA gets a one year postseason ban. Kids who in any other place in the world would be getting paid for the skills get some side money to go to college. Great. Exactly nobody cares (other than part-time unpaid NCAA compliance officer Russ Smith) and the majority of people actually probably support it. The NCAA and the thousands of other people who make literally billions of dollars via the charade were never going to let this case or the countless other "scandals" that uncover the hypocrisy that is college sports kill the golden goose. Just move on already.

Oh please Blue Chips was a movie, adn the coaches weren't paying the players the booster was. That's what made this case different in some cases the players were getting paid directly by coaches according to the FBI.

And yes I think most fans think players should get paid, and in fact most fans know players DO get paid, but again it's generally "accepted" on a level playing field. When one school suddenly starts reeling in 5 stars from all over the country, and then their top recruiter gets caught red handed paying players, it doesn't take too much to put 2 and 2 togehter and decide the reason they were getting those elite kids is they were paying for them.

You guys keep making these bold statements that because nothing has happened, yet, nothing is going to happen. Read Thamel's story, he says right in it that people close to the situation assured him that the FBI is moving forward with the case, they've interviewed lots of people that were NOT publicly named in the FBI case, that is the result of new investigation since the original story broke.

Nobody knows what the outcome is going to be but saying because nothing has happened and because the FBI made some procedural mistakes, it means nothing will happen, is wishful thinking. The FBI isn't going to put anybody on probation, the NCAA would, and even if the FBI had to throw out their entire case, that wouldn't mean the NCAA couldn't use the information.

And again, if nothing happened why did all the schools fire their coaches?

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ can't move on. He just HAD to come educate us simpletons over at beardownwildcats.com. Poor wittle Cat fans must be clueless right Russ?

Who said that?

I'm just saying the 2 stories that are out now in no way suggest what TJ and Mao are saying about the future of this case. and again, read Thamel's story, he says people very clearly told him the FBI is in no way dropping the case, they're moving forward, interviewing new people. he also point blank said it's been widely assumed for months that Sood and Augustine are working with the FBi and that's why they weren't charged with Federal crimes.

The idea that the actions with Augustine indicate the Feds don't have any evidence against him is a guess, it could be right but then why would augustine be working with the Feds if he knew they didn't have any evidence?

I have no idea what the outcome is going to be, I've never once predicted a death penalty or some huge program cratering probation, and I'm not the one suggesting I do know what the outcome is going to be, that's the people who keep predicting it's going to blow over because nothing has happened yet. The only "prediction" i've made is it's not going away and the way UA has handled it is different than any other school, they went all in with Miller, they didn't suspend players, if the NCAA decides the FBI has the story dead to rights and what they said is true, ARizona is going to get hit harder than any other school, except Louisville, because of the way they handled it.

I also don't think the FBI ever really intended to prosecute these guys to the extent announced, does anbody really expect Dawkins to get 200 years? I wouldn't be surprised if next week the judge actually says some of the charges will be dismissed because he doesn't consider what they did to be an actual federal crime. The FBI used the laws to file charges to get people to cooperate,apparently that's worked they are getting cooperation and are getting more names which are being interviewed. Will any of those dismissed be the assistant coaches, no idea, but again the judge would not be saying they didn't violate NCAA rules, he'd just be saying that didn't mean they'd broken federal laws.

 

[GatorAZ]

Right now people are "hearing" the case might drop completely or it's just a minor speed bump. Nobody knows... Before the bombshell story dropped back in September nobody had a clue it was coming. The punishment is the cloud that's over the programs and not necessarily the final outcome. I would take a tourney ban this year if it meant no sanctions going forward but nobody is self-imposing penalties these days. The longer this goes it could still crush Arizona and the other schools even if they get off completely down the road. Just ask Miami football how long they waited to here the verdict.

 

[TJ]

Pretty self-explanatory. Arizona fired Book because he took bribe money from an Adidas agent and put Arizona in a difficult position from a PR standpoint. You can’t bring any of those coaches back. Bad optics. this doesnt need anymore explanation.

I’m not sure what the FBI has anymore. Their case relies upon a corrupt official, botched wiretaps, and incomplete paperwork. We’ve waited five months for any sort of hint that this is progressing and the only news available is that which indicates flaws in the investigation. And from an Arizona standpoint, if nothing else materializes from this investigation, all you have is an assistant who pocketed money with no NCAA violations (Quinerly wasn’t paid).

It’s no coincidence that those implicated, schools and players, are starting to recruit and commit elsewhere. Quinerly is going to Nova, Cherry to ASU. Arizona, which has been dormant for 2018, is finally going back on the recruiting trail. Two months ago, you couldn’t sell Arizona to a 2* recruit. Now, Miller has more confidence.

The investigation was ridiculous from the beginning and looks even more silly now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even as a zona fan I don’t think these allegations are silly. The fact that book was guilty of accepting bribes besmirched the university. If the investigation cost the school a single recruit (and in the long run its likely cost them multiple) then it’s had a material impact.

And all the people saying they’re “hearing” . . . eh color me extremely skeptical. This is a federal investigation by a law enforcement agency not the bumbling NCAA.

I’ll wait for the other shoe to drop in full before breathing any sighs of relief.

 

[Russ Smith]

Pretty self-explanatory. Arizona fired Book because he took bribe money from an Adidas agent and put Arizona in a difficult position from a PR standpoint. You can’t bring any of those coaches back. Bad optics. this doesnt need anymore explanation.

I’m not sure what the FBI has anymore. Their case relies upon a corrupt official, botched wiretaps, and incomplete paperwork. We’ve waited five months for any sort of hint that this is progressing and the only news available is that which indicates flaws in the investigation. And from an Arizona standpoint, if nothing else materializes from this investigation, all you have is an assistant who pocketed money with no NCAA violations (Quinerly wasn’t paid).

It’s no coincidence that those implicated, schools and players, are starting to recruit and commit elsewhere. Quinerly is going to Nova, Cherry to ASU. Arizona, which has been dormant for 2018, is finally going back on the recruiting trail. Two months ago, you couldn’t sell Arizona to a 2* recruit. Now, Miller has more confidence.

The investigation was ridiculous from the beginning and looks even more silly now.

the only source yuo have that he took bribe money is the same source for the rest of the stuff you're calling silly! Book pled not guilty, he claims he didn't do what the FBI said he did. he's also going after Arizona for wrongful termination for the same reason. The only evidence they have that Book took money is the FBI says he did, presumably they gave Zona enough info that they believe it's true. Same thing with SC, Auburn etc in every case the coach says he didn't do it and his attorney is blasting the school for firing them.

Corrupt official is misleading, nobody is saying the info the agent got was incorrect, they're saying he misused government money. not good obviously but it doesn't mean he fabricated evidence, remember they have wiretaps. The botched wiretaps is apparently one missing name on a document, it could be a problem but again that's the FBI, not the NCAA, the NCAA can't do wiretaps, but they can sure use the evidence obtained in one of the FBI gives it to them, nobody knows if the FBI has done that or not.

How do you know Quinerly wasn't paid? Nova is saying very clearly they think he'll be allowed to play, the key is will the NCAA determine the money he took as extra benefits, or just favoritism. Nova hasn't once said they don't think Quinerly took money, he was directly asked that on multiple occasions and declined to answer the question, and they have Book, Dawkins and Sood on tape saying the kid was paid, "that deal got done."
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-top-prospect-jahvon-quinerly-commit-villanova-222316093.html

Thamels story above has tons of information on it and nowhere does it say that anybody believes Quinerly didn't get paid, they make it quite clear that Nova thinks he still has a chance to play, even though Thamel quotes a "high ranking college official" as sayign there's a chance the kids involved will never play college ball. Personally I think they will.

The reason kids are committing now is it's Feb, they are uncommitted and they are all assuming until told otherwise they will be allowed to play next year, as long as they don't go to the school that allegedly paid them. The other teams have no risk here, Nova or ASU aren't going to get in trouble for taking verbal commits, if the NCAA allows them to play great, if they don't, they haven't lost anything but a potential player. They are not alleged to have broken any rules so they have no risk going after these kids.

 

[Russ Smith]

Right now people are "hearing" the case might drop completely or it's just a minor speed bump. Nobody knows... Before the bombshell story dropped back in September nobody had a clue it was coming. The punishment is the cloud that's over the programs and not necessarily the final outcome. I would take a tourney ban this year if it meant no sanctions going forward but nobody is self-imposing penalties these days. The longer this goes it could still crush Arizona and the other schools even if they get off completely down the road. Just ask Miami football how long they waited to here the verdict.

in all fairness the we're hearing crowd has been posting that for months. We're hearing a bunch more schools will get caught up in this soon. We're hearing it's about to break in football too. We're hearing the FBI was sharing information wtih Sean Miller and that's why he backed off recruits that happened PRIOR to teh FBI even getting involved in some cases. Lots of people say they're hearing stuff so far none of it has ever come true. it's the FBI, they don't leak that stuff to alleged insiders on message boards.

Not a single one of those people knew this was breaking before it happened, not one, we all woke up that morning and saw the same story and none of us had any idea it was coming. where were their sources during all those months the FBI was listening to calls and running this whole investigation?

 

[TJ]

the only source yuo have that he took bribe money is the same source for the rest of the stuff you're calling silly! Book pled not guilty, he claims he didn't do what the FBI said he did. he's also going after Arizona for wrongful termination for the same reason. The only evidence they have that Book took money is the FBI says he did, presumably they gave Zona enough info that they believe it's true. Same thing with SC, Auburn etc in every case the coach says he didn't do it and his attorney is blasting the school for firing them.

Corrupt official is misleading, nobody is saying the info the agent got was incorrect, they're saying he misused government money. not good obviously but it doesn't mean he fabricated evidence, remember they have wiretaps. The botched wiretaps is apparently one missing name on a document, it could be a problem but again that's the FBI, not the NCAA, the NCAA can't do wiretaps, but they can sure use the evidence obtained in one of the FBI gives it to them, nobody knows if the FBI has done that or not.

How do you know Quinerly wasn't paid? Nova is saying very clearly they think he'll be allowed to play, the key is will the NCAA determine the money he took as extra benefits, or just favoritism. Nova hasn't once said they don't think Quinerly took money, he was directly asked that on multiple occasions and declined to answer the question, and they have Book, Dawkins and Sood on tape saying the kid was paid, "that deal got done."
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-top-prospect-jahvon-quinerly-commit-villanova-222316093.html

Thamels story above has tons of information on it and nowhere does it say that anybody believes Quinerly didn't get paid, they make it quite clear that Nova thinks he still has a chance to play, even though Thamel quotes a "high ranking college official" as sayign there's a chance the kids involved will never play college ball. Personally I think they will.

The reason kids are committing now is it's Feb, they are uncommitted and they are all assuming until told otherwise they will be allowed to play next year, as long as they don't go to the school that allegedly paid them. The other teams have no risk here, Nova or ASU aren't going to get in trouble for taking verbal commits, if the NCAA allows them to play great, if they don't, they haven't lost anything but a potential player. They are not alleged to have broken any rules so they have no risk going after these kids.

I know Quinerly wasn't getting paid because multiple investigations spanning five months have uncovered nothing of the sort. It takes far less time to trace money, especially if you have a compliant individual. Obviously, you think JQ plays and if he does, that is evidence that Arizona did not pay anyone and the only crime (if you want to call it that) is that Book pocketed the money, which has been the hypothesis for quite some time.

If dirt on Miller was available, it would've surfaced by now. They've already sifted through UofA computers and interviewed Miller. There's an ongoing internal investigation. The AD and president of UofA have come out in support of Miller. These are things that a school notorious for being conservative and close to the vest with information don't do unless they have the utmost confidence in their coach.

Plus, how do you know the FBI is going to release information to the NCAA? By all accounts, the NCAA could have also been investigated. The FBI does not care about any NCAA proceedings and has no reason to do them any favors. Either way, UofA has plans to sue the NCAA if it comes at them with sanctions and it's not looking good for the NCAA if it's relying on tainted information.

Obviously, circumstances could change in a hurry, but from Arizona's POV, things are looking a lot more optimistic than they were a month ago.

 

[Russ Smith]

I know Quinerly wasn't getting paid because multiple investigations spanning five months have uncovered nothing of the sort. It takes far less time to trace money, especially if you have a compliant individual. Obviously, you think JQ plays and if he does, that is evidence that Arizona did not pay anyone and the only crime (if you want to call it that) is that Book pocketed the money, which has been the hypothesis for quite some time.

If dirt on Miller was available, it would've surfaced by now. They've already sifted through UofA computers and interviewed Miller. There's an ongoing internal investigation. The AD and president of UofA have come out in support of Miller. These are things that a school notorious for being conservative and close to the vest with information don't do unless they have the utmost confidence in their coach.

Plus, how do you know the FBI is going to release information to the NCAA? By all accounts, the NCAA could have also been investigated. The FBI does not care about any NCAA proceedings and has no reason to do them any favors. Either way, UofA has plans to sue the NCAA if it comes at them with sanctions and it's not looking good for the NCAA if it's relying on tainted information.

Obviously, circumstances could change in a hurry, but from Arizona's POV, things are looking a lot more optimistic than they were a month ago.

What investigations? The NCAA told Arizona not to investigate until they're done. They told the NCAA the same thing. Villanova says they looked into the allegations and are confident that he will eventually be allowed to play, they did NOT say he didn't get paid. And the reason they think that is the amount rumored to be involved is not enough for a lengthy suspension, he'd be required to repay it, sit out a few games and then be allowed to play since he didn't sign with the school that paid him. Sexton got only 1 game because he took no money he just agreed to work with an agent. My guess is that would have ultimately been the punishment for the 2 Arizona players who didn't get paid, except Miller has played both kids in multiple games this year, Bama held out Sexton until he got cleared.

The feds almost always give information to the NCAA eventually. It's happened in multiple cases, most recently the Bazz case where the Feds found out the dad had taken out a loan using Bazz as collateral and informed both the NCAA and UCLA. What the FBI does NOT care about is timing, they are under no rush to meet a deadline of start of season, end of season etc. They are doing their jobs and when they're done, they will presumably give what they have to the NCAA. They made it fairly clear at the press conference that they were aware of what was going on, we have your playbook, and they were going to continue looking at schools.

There's been at least 2 instances with Kentucky where the NCAA got information from the feds, in the OJ Mayo case the Feds got involved and shared information with the NCAA(and did not prosecute Mayo). It has happened in football cases too.

Arizona isn't in as much trouble as Trump is, but there's apparently clear evidence that Book did what the FBI said he did, the Feds have to prove Trump is guilty, the NCAA doesn't ahve to prove Arizona is, Arizona has to prove they're not.

 

[ozzfloyd]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...uld-be-subject-to-ncaa-scrutiny-in-fbi-probe/

Report: Dozens of major programs could be subject to NCAA scrutiny in FBI probe

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...uld-be-subject-to-ncaa-scrutiny-in-fbi-probe/

Report: Dozens of major programs could be subject to NCAA scrutiny in FBI probe

Seems to fly in the face of everyone who is “hearing things.”

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Seems to fly in the face of everyone who is “hearing things.”

Not really. There will be a slap on the wrist at some point of course.

Again - Penn State pedophilia, Louisville hookers, North Carolina academics, the soon to be Michigan State case, etc. etc. People like to pretend that the minor penalties that result from these scandals change the course of a program when in reality they screw up a recruiting class or two and then things go back to the status quo.

 

[TJ]

Arizona isn't in as much trouble as Trump is, but there's apparently clear evidence that Book did what the FBI said he did, the Feds have to prove Trump is guilty, the NCAA doesn't havve to prove Arizona is, Arizona has to prove they're not.

Provided nothing else surfaces, that's an easy argument.

"At Arizona, a school which has a long-standing relationship with Nike, we have no affiliation with nor intent to switch to another shoe company. We would never do anything to jeopardize that relationship. With that said, Book went rogue and pocketed money from an Adidas agent without prior knowledge from the coaching staff and the athletic department. Per the complaint, there was no money that transferred hands to a recruit or any persons who may represent or be closely associated with a recruit, such as coaches or family members. Considering all of the facts of the case, Arizona cannot be held responsible for any impermissible benefits."

 

[TJ]

Seems to fly in the face of everyone who is “hearing things.”

Oddly, this leaks during the same week as the reports of a corrupt official and tainted wiretaps. This reeks of saving face of the investigation.

Additionally, I highly doubt the NCAA lays the hammer on 30+ schools, and if it does, it's an admission of lack of instructional control and a bigger problem for the NCAA than the schools. I already know that UofA will sue the NCAA if it attempts to impose major sanctions, and it would not surprise me if other schools are implicated, that they all band together to go after the NCAA. This may turn out to be a situation that the NCAA avoids as it would cost a ton in legal fees and lose revenues by withholding its biggest programs from the tournament.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not really. There will be a slap on the wrist at some point of course.

Again - Penn State pedophilia, Louisville hookers, North Carolina academics, the soon to be Michigan State case, etc. etc. People like to pretend that the minor penalties that result from these scandals change the course of a program when in reality they screw up a recruiting class or two and then things go back to the status quo.

Oh I don’t think this will turn program upside down. But a recruiting class or two definitively has an impact, even if only short term.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oddly, this leaks during the same week as the reports of a corrupt official and tainted wiretaps. This reeks of saving face of the investigation.

Additionally, I highly doubt the NCAA lays the hammer on 30+ schools, and if it does, it's an admission of lack of instructional control and a bigger problem for the NCAA than the schools. I already know that UofA will sue the NCAA if it attempts to impose major sanctions, and it would not surprise me if other schools are implicated, that they all band together to go after the NCAA. This may turn out to be a situation that the NCAA avoids as it would cost a ton in legal fees and lose revenues by withholding its biggest programs from the tournament.

If the fbi comes out with a lot more it will be difficult for the NCAA not to take action and retain any remaining semblance of integrity.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oddly, this leaks during the same week as the reports of a corrupt official and tainted wiretaps. This reeks of saving face of the investigation.

Additionally, I highly doubt the NCAA lays the hammer on 30+ schools, and if it does, it's an admission of lack of instructional control and a bigger problem for the NCAA than the schools. I already know that UofA will sue the NCAA if it attempts to impose major sanctions, and it would not surprise me if other schools are implicated, that they all band together to go after the NCAA. This may turn out to be a situation that the NCAA avoids as it would cost a ton in legal fees and lose revenues by withholding its biggest programs from the tournament.

Yes because the FBi is so worried about rumors from 97cats and other ARizona insiders that the whole thing is about to fall apart.

If you haven't noticed Pete Thamel of Yahoo wrote the story linked above and it's about 5th story he's written about this in the last week. The reason the story "leaked" today is that he's been doing a series on the case and todays part of that series is from his conversations with people "involved in the case" and that's what he's talking about in todays story.

FWIW I suspect there's some exaggeration when they said UT Chattanooga might be a 2 seed if the facts come out before selection sunday but I think the point they were trying to make is that the vast majority of the teams(likely including UCLA) are going to get caught up in this it won't just be the schools with the 4 assistant coaches already in trouble.

FWIW, I ran into a friend today in the Bay Area I hadn't seen in months, he's a huge Duke fan and he's saying rumors are rampant on Duke's campus that they're in big trouble, multiple kids including Bagley will be named in the EYBL portion of the story(remember the FBI raided the EYBL shortly after the original story broke). My take all along has been if they don't hit Duke and UK on this I will be infuriated and lose most of my interest in college hoops since I know both programs are as dirty as anybody.

Again, it's not blowing over, the FBI has tons of evidence, the case has clearly expanded, possibly exponentially, and that's why it's taking so long. If you're one of the Arizona fans who doesn't care if this season ends up vacated later, then it's good news that it's going this long by the time the story comes out most of the kids involved will be long gone from Arizona.

And a 2nd FWIW, one of the NBA guys who is on Bay Area radio said today he hears essentially every college freshman in the lottery this year, which includes Ayton, will likely ultimately be mentioned as having been involved, essentially the top 15 or so players in the country every one of them were involved in the same type of payment schemes the FBI talked about in September.

UCLA fans on BRO who hate Steve Alford are practically giddy over the story all hoping UCLA is involved so they can't fire Alford for cause.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oddly, this leaks during the same week as the reports of a corrupt official and tainted wiretaps. This reeks of saving face of the investigation.

Additionally, I highly doubt the NCAA lays the hammer on 30+ schools, and if it does, it's an admission of lack of instructional control and a bigger problem for the NCAA than the schools. I already know that UofA will sue the NCAA if it attempts to impose major sanctions, and it would not surprise me if other schools are implicated, that they all band together to go after the NCAA. This may turn out to be a situation that the NCAA avoids as it would cost a ton in legal fees and lose revenues by withholding its biggest programs from the tournament.

They can sue the NCAA but that doesn't mean they're going to win. The NCAA is a member institution, if you choose to participate in the NCAA you are bound by their rules, if the FBI is correct, Arizona has at least 3 players and 1 assistant coach who broke the rules, and were involved in breaking rules with a recruit, had a bidding war on another recruit through their shoe company, had another assistant who was perfectly happy to play ball until he changed jobs etc. They have no grounds to say we didn't break NCAA rules, if the FBI story is correct, they broke NCAA rules.

I'm not sure why so many aRizona fans bring up the Adidas was paying kids to go to ARizona angle, thats NOT what the story said at all. ARizona was allegedly involved in a bidding war for Nassir Little, Adidas was trying to steer him to Miami, and Arizona's representative(NIke) was bidding to steer him to arizona. The guy funding Christian Dawkins was not Adidas, it was Andy Miller the NBA agent who has been in trouble multiple times with both the NBA and the NCAA. He's been punished multiple times, he's also the guy who signed Sebastian Telfair to a contract when he was a junior in HS and other things, as the story out today said if the FBI wants to go after Andy Millers bank records look out below there is no telling how much dirt is going to come out the guy has been dirty for over 10 years.

Not one place in the original story did it imply Adidas was paying kids to go to Arizona, or paying Book, I'm not sure which "insider" started that rumor but it gets repeated constantly we have ARizona fans posting it on BRO now and when you ask them to source it they just say it's coming from insiders, none of them can quote it from the FBI story because it's not actually in the FBI story.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oh I don’t think this will turn program upside down. But a recruiting class or two definitively has an impact, even if only short term.

I don't think it will crater the program but largely because if Thamel is correct we're talking like 30 to 50 schools involved and that's going to slide the scales on how schools are going to respond. If there's any 4 programs cheating and you're one of them you are more likely to take serious action. If there's 30 to 50, and there probably is, it's easier to not do anything because everyone else is cheating too.

If what people are telling Thamel is correct, the NCAA is going to have the opportunity to nail LOTS of programs, and TJ's suggestion the NCAA won't do that just assumes that the FBI won't decide to make this public. If the NCAA is handed a list of 30 plus schools with major cheating and does nothing, they do so at the risk that the FBI just holds another press conference and releases the information themselves and makes the NCAA look like an organized crime syndicate, I seriously doubt they're going to let that happen.

I have no idea how bad it's going to be and again I am readily assuming UCLA is going to get hit in this too, but I think it's highly unlikely that it turns out to be a bunch of slaps on the wrist. It will be hard punishment but so many schools will get hit it will sort of level the playing field IMO.

 

[GatorAZ]

Cal going to pull a Pete Carroll and **** of Dodge.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cal going to pull a Pete Carroll and **** of Dodge.

Yeah I could see that. NBA will provide him a soft landing.

 

[Russ Smith]

I guess you guys linked the CBS story not the Thamel one so here's his story which is much more detailed.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-co...hes-top-programs-lottery-picks-224417174.html

In the CBS story, augustine has been cooperating with the FBI and apparently admitted he pocketed the money intended to go to Nassir Little. remember, Little was "silently verballed to Arizona" per lots of rumors, when this story broke. So while it's not clear yet, it's entirely possible Augustine pocketed money from Nike, not Adidas, since it was a Nike school that "won" Nassir Little originally.

Would be ironic if all of the coaches pocketed the money too. They'd be then presumably hearing from the IRS.