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Right and we now know where that came from because its' been made public, it wasn't made public in the story citing sources. In the ESPN case the source ultimately is leaking a sealed document(info from it) so it makes perfect sense the source is not being named, the source is violating a sealed FBI order(whatever they call it).

Miller could very well be innocent.

He could be guilty of exactly what ESPN said.

It can even work out with the revised dates ESPN said as I said before. Ayton cleared VERY late, just one year earlier Miller lost one of his best recruits because Ferguson got tired of waiting to clear and went to Australia. Maybe Miller decided I don't want to lose Ayton that way too so he negotiated a way to make sure he didn't bolt, making sure he got the 100K or was promised it at a future date, as a means to keep ayton from just going pro?

Any of those make sense. We'll eventually get the truth.

It's being reported now that Arizona met with Miller today but nobody seems to know why, to clear him, to negotiate his exit etc.

I agree it's odd that they didn't arrest Miller if they have him on tape, that's always been odd but if they really raided his house, the story becomes pretty easy to believe

That's a lot of speculation above, but if Sean Freaking Miller's house was raided by the FBI in September when they raided ASM Sports, do you really think it would have been kept quiet that day, but now it comes out? Are you talking about the tweet by Darren Heitner and the 12up report?
 

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That's true if you make a mistake in a huge story like that it looks bad. But clearly Scheer is grasping at straws, and why shouldn't he his entire job depends on the U of A basketball, if Miller craters the program it probably lowers subscriptions at his site.

one of the many they're out to get Arizona theories he's floated is that Miller and Dawkins were actually discussing the NBA draft, Miller was saying if you want to represent Ayton in the NBA you're going to have to pay 100K. So the timeline being wrong, which we know it wasn't, makes more sense, and somehow he convinced UA fans that wasn't a violation if no money changed hands.

So he's saying a head coach can talk about selling his player to an agent for 100K but because no money changed hands the coach didn't violate any rules, and the coach is fine.

First off Dawkins is NOT really an agent, he's a runner. ASM fired him but Andy Miller continued to bankroll him ,he wants to become an agent but is nowhere near a licensed agaen. if theywere trying to get him to be Ayton's agent, it wasn't goign to happen, clearly he could have been recruiting him for Andy Miller, but that's different than the theory Scheer laid out. It's still not allowed for players to discuss hiring a specific agent in a future deal, that's explicitly against amateurism rules wtih the NCAA. But maybe Ayton wasn't involved just Sean Miler, again it's against NCAA rules for a coach to pimp out a player to an agent, that's one of the biggest issues with Book, and apparently Pasternack they both tried to use players(Alkins and Lauri) to get in a good spot with Dawkins and others trying to buy Brian Bowen per the Yahoo report. Coaches can't do that with their players.
Scheer is a complete clown but I do find it funny that you say others are grasping at straws and throwing stuff against the wall when your last 10 posts are nothing more than theories and speculation.

It's a freaking FBI wiretap - nobody knows what it says or doesn't say other than the the prosecution, the defense, and the judge.
 

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Scheer is a complete clown but I do find it funny that you say others are grasping at straws and throwing stuff against the wall when your last 10 posts are nothing more than theories and speculation.

It's a freaking FBI wiretap - nobody knows what it says or doesn't say other than the the prosecution, the defense, and the judge.

I'm doing that here, I;m not a paid person with a media credential. I'm also not doing it on a website like 247 as a paid employee of the site. And Im not trolling media folks on Twitter blasting them and then whey they admit they made a mistake and correct it, blasting them again.

I've said repeatedly I have no idea what's in the wiretap but given the choice of believing Scheer or Schlabach, right now I'm inclined to believe the guy who's an actual journalist and not the guy who's afraid his means of employment is about to dry up and go away if Miller goes down.
 

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That's a lot of speculation above, but if Sean Freaking Miller's house was raided by the FBI in September when they raided ASM Sports, do you really think it would have been kept quiet that day, but now it comes out? Are you talking about the tweet by Darren Heitner and the 12up report?

It's been on Arizona sites, including this one, for months. I have no idea if it's true that's why I said it would be very helpful to know if it is or not. I googled the 2 you mentioned, 12up clearly got their story from heitners tweet and I have no idea who Darren Heitner is so no idea if it's true.
 
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It's been on Arizona sites, including this one, for months. I have no idea if it's true that's why I said it would be very helpful to know if it is or not. I googled the 2 you mentioned, 12up clearly got their story from heitners tweet and I have no idea who Darren Heitner is so no idea if it's true.

It's been on this site that the FBI raided Sean Miller's house and took his computer? I guess I completely misread that. I know they raided ASM Sports and Andy Miller. Are we sure we're not confusing the two?
 

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I don't think I have seen so much guessing by people as I've seen on here. Except maybe in the Cardinals threads:eek::D
Nobody really knows. Miller could be guilty as sin on this matter but Schlabach's reporting has so many errors at this point that it's clear it never should have been put on air. Maybe we find out in 2020 when the court proceedings are unsealed if at all.

Miller is still toast though.
 

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Timeline still doesn’t add up with Bowen. And how is Bowen worth 100k?
 

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I'm doing that here, I;m not a paid person with a media credential. I'm also not doing it on a website like 247 as a paid employee of the site. And Im not trolling media folks on Twitter blasting them and then whey they admit they made a mistake and correct it, blasting them again.

I've said repeatedly I have no idea what's in the wiretap but given the choice of believing Scheer or Schlabach, right now I'm inclined to believe the guy who's an actual journalist and not the guy who's afraid his means of employment is about to dry up and go away if Miller goes down.
100% reasonable.
 

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Hansen just went back on the air and apologized, saying he did not talk to Book, it was just speculation. This is unreal.
Everyone seems to be firing from the hip with this story. Man I’d be gunshy about ANY news I received as a journalist on this story right now.
 

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Everyone seems to be firing from the hip with this story. Man I’d be gunshy about ANY news I received as a journalist on this story right now.

and meanwhile, ESPN hasn't backed down.

Feels like Zona press peeps are grasping at straws right now.
 

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Hansen didn't retract what he said about Bowen... he only clarified that he hadn't spoken directly to Richardson, but rather someone else who had spoken to him.

And even in the initial interview, Hansen said that it was the secondary source that asserted it was Bowen, and that he only thought it was Bowen, but didn't have direct evidence other than what his source (who allegedly had spoken to Book) told him.
 

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I've said repeatedly I have no idea what's in the wiretap but given the choice of believing Scheer or Schlabach, right now I'm inclined to believe the guy who's an actual journalist and not the guy who's afraid his means of employment is about to dry up and go away if Miller goes down.

You think Scheer loses his job if Miller is fired? You kidding? His site gets more clicks and memberships during controversies, coaching fires and hires than at any time. When has Scheer been wrong in this situation? He found the discrepancies in the story, pointed them out, and his superiors went with them and published a story.

As for the other journalist, I can't back any report that corrects itself three times and still has major holes. There's a reason that none of his constituents are publicly backing him and following up on the report, at the moment.
 
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Hansen didn't retract what he said about Bowen... he only clarified that he hadn't spoken directly to Richardson, but rather someone else who had spoken to him.

And even in the initial interview, Hansen said that it was the secondary source that asserted it was Bowen, and that he only thought it was Bowen, but didn't have direct evidence other than what his source (who allegedly had spoken to Book) told him.

Hansen said he interviewed someone whose name rhymes with "Look" and that Miller had stopped recruiting in September. He was wrong on both accounts. Also, why would you go on the same radio show twice in a span of three hours? Someone must've got to him and told him to clarify/retract some of his statements.
 

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and meanwhile, ESPN hasn't backed down.

Feels like Zona press peeps are grasping at straws right now.

Uh, ESPN has gone completely silent and has provided zero rebuke for the attacks they are getting. Shlabach hasn't posted on twitter in nearly 48 hours.

So you are dead wrong that ESPN hasn't back down. They have made 2 "corrections" and buttoned up since.
 

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I'm doing that here, I;m not a paid person with a media credential. I'm also not doing it on a website like 247 as a paid employee of the site. And Im not trolling media folks on Twitter blasting them and then whey they admit they made a mistake and correct it, blasting them again.

I've said repeatedly I have no idea what's in the wiretap but given the choice of believing Scheer or Schlabach, right now I'm inclined to believe the guy who's an actual journalist and not the guy who's afraid his means of employment is about to dry up and go away if Miller goes down.

ESPN is literally failing and you think Scheer (who is not attached to Miller or any coach in any sport) is the one trying to save his job? You don't think Schlabach is at risk of being in the next round of cuts if he doesn't come up with some major clicks to ESPN?

I appreciate your reasoning, I just don't think the facts bear out who is truly at risk here.
 

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I can’t believe the last 24 hours. There’s no credibility in the media anymore. Hanson lost his marbles years ago.
 

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You think Scheer loses his job if Miller is fired? You kidding? His site gets more clicks and memberships during controversies, coaching fires and hires than at any time. When has Scheer been wrong in this situation? He found the discrepancies in the story, pointed them out, and his superiors went with them and published a story.

As for the other journalist, I can't back any report that corrects itself three times and still has major holes. There's a reason that none of his constituents are publicly backing him and following up on the report, at the moment.


Play it out, Miller gets fired, UA can't recruit and likely won't replace Miller with a big name. The program isn't going to die, the fan base is too strong, but it's not going to be what it is now and won't be for several years IMO if Miller is guilty. The reason Scheer works for 247 now is that industry is totally changing, it's shrinking and consolidating and it's now much harder for people doing that to survive. I agree controversy sells but the pay sites are getting tougher and tougher to sell if the program goes into a down cycle, people will be less inclined to pay money to hear about recruiting etc.

I will say this, one of the reporters today made a comment that took me back to my original thought when this story first broke, that it has to be a mistake. he said that he has a source who's familiar with the tapes that says Miller will eventually be exonerated on THIS CHARGE when the truth comes out. he didn't say UA still won't get in trouble over Book etc but he thinks the Miller and Ayton story will be proven to be false.

now if that means Hansen is right and it's really Bowen, that's great news for Ayton, but it doesn't do Miller any favors since he would still have been talking about money for a player. If it's Nassir Little, it helps because we know he didn't actually get money the AAU guy kept it.

Bowen actually fits the original timeline before ESPN corrected the year, he committed, by surprise, to Louisville in June 2017 so the origina date for the wiretaps would work there, but obviously make Schlabach look bad getting the date wrong multiple times and getting the player wrong.

I don't know what's going to come out but the longer ARizona meets with Miller and doesn't announce they believe him and are keeping him the more likely it appears they might not believe him.

The recruiting is dead in the water, Shareef just committed to UCLA(I don't even want him) and there are rumors Brandon Williams will decommit and follow Shareef to UCLA althoguh we have Tyger Campbell now so not sure how that would work. Gershon has been telling BRO for awhile that Cassius Stanley is very unlikely to look at Arizona or USC now because his dad is concerned about the FBI story so UCLA leads for him. That's not bragging about UCLA recruiting it's saying kids who are tied into things through their fathers(Stanley's dad an agent) seem to be of the opinion ARizona is in trouble.
 

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I can’t believe the last 24 hours. There’s no credibility in the media anymore. Hanson lost his marbles years ago.

The past 24 hours? They ranted and raved on Saturday after this story broke on Friday. They had a 'Breaking News' alert that Miller had been fired. Parroting the wrong info on Miller's contract if fired with cause. Three different dates used in the initial report. Ayton implicated in the Yahoo story. Dawkins knowing Ayton. It's been nuts.
 

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ESPN is literally failing and you think Scheer (who is not attached to Miller or any coach in any sport) is the one trying to save his job? You don't think Schlabach is at risk of being in the next round of cuts if he doesn't come up with some major clicks to ESPN?

I appreciate your reasoning, I just don't think the facts bear out who is truly at risk here.

ESPN is owned by Disney, they're not going to go under soon, Scout was literally going bankrupt when 247 bought them out, they were a lifeline to a sinking ship for Scout.

Now if Schlabach is wrong, he's going to be looking for a job pretty quickly yes, but I think ESPN is going to outlast 247.
 

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