Misc comments

[CtCardinals78]

I'm not surprised about J.J. he's always getting good returns for me in Madden.

 

[ajcardfan]

If that play was being reviewed for a forceout, it shouldn't have been. Unfortunately, that's not out of the realm of possibility.

Minnesota challenged whether he had possession of the ball. They wanted to challenge the in-bounds call, but could not due to the force out rule. That's how I remember the ref explaining it at that game.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The worst call of the day yesterday that i saw was on the Oakland/ San Diego game. Vince Jackson caught a ball for a first down, diving catch, went down untouched. Popped up, flipped the ball forward(with spin) and gave like hey first down. But Fabian Washington correctly figured out Jackson wasn't touched, so he wasn't down, and jumped on the ball. Initially they ruled Raider ball. Then they called illegal forward pass, but said it was still Raiders ball because after marching off the 5 yard penalty, (4th down play) San Diego was short. THat was obviously wrong so the remeasured and said first down San Diego. It wasn't remotely a pass, it was and underhanded flip, if Leinart were about to get sacked and did that, it would be a fumble, not an incomplete forward pass.

Back to our game, am I the only one who thinks they could have called roughing the passer on that last play? I realize at that stage in a game it's very unusual to make such a call and it wasn't like the guy tried to kill Matt, but in the middle of the game if that takes place IMHO it's roughing more often than not. Would have given us one more play.

I watched that play the other day and thought WTF! How could the refs call that a illegal forward pass? He spun the ball on the ground, and the ball barely came above his waist when he did it. No way that was an illegal forward pass.

 

[LarryStalling]

One of the things that bothered me about the play was that both of LF's feet were in bounds, but because his torso hit first it was considered that he landed out of bounds. To me, it would indicate that he would have come down inbounds if not for tackling influence.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't see how we could have challenged - if we were the Cardinals perhaps we get that call. As far as this team punching the ball in from anywhere - well, we have not seen much of that.

By punching it in, I didn't necessarily mean "run it in" (although the possibility would at least occupy one or more defenders).

What I meant by that was that sometimes it is easier for a QB to drill the ball to one of several receivers in the EZ than it is to heave it high from 40 yards out in the hope that Fitz or Q can climb the ladder and battle 3 defenders.

Also - from the 4 - there was always the possibility that Leinart might escape contain and be able to run it in.

But you're right about our not getting much done in the red zone anyway.

 

[Billy Flynt]

But I thought they did review that call (McCown's pass to Poole). Didn't they? I thought I remembered some agonizing moments under the hood at that game. I wonder if that's a thing that you can only check in the case of a completion, not an incompletion.

I believe it was a question of whether he had control of the ball. There is no one foot/two feet/no feet - push out clause in the rule. It is if in the estimation of the official that the player would have come down with both feet with control of the ball if not for the defender "pushing" him out of bounds. No this begs the question, what is a push? Does it require the arms of the defender to be extended or is it the contact of the defender with the receiver?

 

[RedViper]

There is no one foot/two feet/no feet - push out clause in the rule.

Thats what I was asking about. Clearly then, in the 03 game there should have been no review.

I got to say too though, its a flawed rule. If one foot were to come down out of bounds before contact is made, then the push out would clearly be a bad call. Unreviewable apparently, but bad. But thats the case with some of the rules anyway, like certain cases of down by contact, etc.

 

[Pariah]

Clearly then, in the 03 game there should have been no review.

Except that it seems the challenge wasn't about the forceout, it was about possession.